UK civil war?

a reply to: UKTruth

Well, the Tories have cut life expectancy over the past 10 years.

With all there austerity.

That's well known.

That is to anyone with half a brain that does not wear a brown shirt for kicks.

a reply to: andy06shake

cut life expectancy and increased the retirement age

hahahah

who was saying that they arent stealing money from us again ?
guaranteed that isnt going into the public coffers to be spent elsewhere.

These guys are like the mafia , taking their cut off the top at the casino.

and the house always wins

a reply to: sapien82

75 years old, the proposed age of retirement???!!!

Half the silly sausages that voted for Brexit will never live to lift their pensions.

It's plain as day as well.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: UKTruth

Well, the Tories have cut life expectancy over the past 10 years.

With all there austerity.

That's well known.

That is to anyone with half a brain that does not wear a brown shirt for kicks.

Yeah yeah - more fear mongering and mudslinging. Cool and all that, but it doesn't change the fact that, in this country, we don't give extra weighting to votes based on the age of the citizen. Any argument that uses age as a reason to undermine a vote is inane.

a reply to: UKTruth

I have not suggested giving more votes to young people, nor adding extra weight to such.

Just that they are important to our future.

More so than silly old twats that have had there time in the Sun.

Brexit used race, refugees, and migrant workforce as part of there argument to depart the EU, just a thought. Hence the immigration issues that surround it.

Or at least people like Gary did.



I'm sure you know the sort.

a reply to: UKTruth

You know if they could get away with an age related voting legislation for the elderly they would.
They have for the young , because they apparently arent able to reason or think about the world before 18
yet are able to drive, and produce offspring and marry, all things which have far greater legal implications for the individual than casting a vote in an election certainly does.

As people live longer now thanks to medical science , then if people do live much longer in the UK (disregarding future Conservative governments), then their minds arent going to be as sharp. Much like resitting a drivers test, should they resit a mental competence test to see if they are all there to actually cast a reasoned vote?

but aye, Age and voting.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: sapien82

75 years old, the proposed age of retirement???!!!

Half the silly sausages that voted for Brexit will never live to lift their pensions.

It's plain as day as well.

As you seem so concerned with age I thought you'd be interested in this fact?

No 35 in the world UNITED KINGDOM 80.80 years life span


Fact check www.cia.gov...

a reply to: andy06shake

Not the majority in Scotland nor Ireland where our vote counts for very little compared to the rest of the UK.

Why does England not just leave the UK and leave the rest of us alone?

Or you could have a Scottish referendum to leave the UK and become an independent country and remain in the EU if you so wished.

Oh wait a minute...........

a reply to: eletheia

And what's the life expectancy in areas with low incomes, high unemployment?

80 years my arse, at least for some.

Go and stand in any Doctors surgery or attend old folks home and then tell me all about facts.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: UKTruth

I have not suggested giving more votes to young people, nor adding extra weight to such.

Just that they are important to our future.

More so than silly old twats that have had there time in the Sun.

Brexit used race, refugees, and migrant workforce as part of there argument to depart the EU, just a thought. Hence the immigration issues that surround it.

Or at least people like Gary did.

I'm sure you know the sort.

You are bringing up age as a discussion on the validity of the people's vote to leave the EU - which is inane.
Every person alive can be imprtant to our future - both positively and negatively.

a reply to: Argyll

Nope, i don't think it works that way.

If the UK is out of the EU it means we all are.

What we may do, and is highly lightly, is force a Scottish referendum to leave the UK after Brexit then depart the UK.

Still, need to repetition the EU for membership again through.

a reply to: UKTruth

Yes, even immigrants and migrant workers.

Point of fact our nation depends on such.

Humans are a perishable sort all the same, nice to think we all age gracefully, but its simply not true.

At least not without an NHS nor the immigrants that support the service.

originally posted by: Argyll
a reply to: andy06shake

Not the majority in Scotland nor Ireland where our vote counts for very little compared to the rest of the UK.

Why does England not just leave the UK and leave the rest of us alone?

Or you could have a Scottish referendum to leave the UK and become an independent country and remain in the EU if you so wished.

Oh wait a minute...........

One of the main reasons given for staying in the UK was continued membership of the EU.

Oh wait a minute.......

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: UKTruth

Yes, even immigrants and migrant workers.

Point of fact our nation depends on such.

Humans are a perishable sort all the same, nice to think we all age gracefully, but its simply not true.

At least not without an NHS nor the immigrants that support the service.

Any person can have an impact on our future long after they are dead and gone.
Your mistake is to think that 'our' future is determined by the current generation of young people. It isn't. It has, to large extent, already been shaped by people long gone. Both young and old now can make similar contributions - or already have.

a reply to: UKTruth

The age thing is a bit of a distraction to me, we voted, I lost the vote but now back the decision of the majority, what is the point of referendums if the democratic decision is ignored. I didn't want to leave but I am passionate about the will of us the people. I knew totally that no deal was a risk because the Remain campaign warned me. It is why I voted remain obviously, but we lost, so now I'm embracing the future of an independent country dealing with the world again under our own terms 👍☺️🇬🇧

a reply to: UKTruth

I suppose the DWP and the Tories would have a significant percentage of corpses become speedbumps or draft excluders, so you might be right there about there future long after they are dead and gone.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

And what's the life expectancy in areas with low incomes, high unemployment?

80 years my arse, at least for some.

Go and stand in any Doctors surgery or attend old folks home and then tell me all about facts.

Dont need to my mother lived to on her own till she died at 93 years and her four

siblings lived till over 85 years, my grandmother was 89 when she died, and her

half brother lived to 105 years, he gave up driving at 100 years old. My daughter

looks after a woman with early dementia who has just had her 87th birthday.

None of the above were wealthy, just average every day people.

a reply to: eletheia

That was then this is now.

When did they get their pensions? 65 perchance?

My gran passed not to long ago down to vascular dementia(91), so props to your daughter, its a hell of a job.

Like i said check out any GP or old folks home, we are not all built to last.

a reply to: eletheia

My mother passed last week and she was 77, had a good 17 years of retirement, drank a few brandys every night and smoked like a train, beat breast cancer (double mastectomy), beat cervical cancer, and also colon cancer...thanks to our NHS of course ❤️☺️
On topic, she voted leave, we had many a few discussions about it because I voted remain, she would tell me that she voted for free trade in the 70's not government from a foreign land, she even liked Boris as well, she said "He is clever, funny, but most of all strong minded and that's who I want for our country, not a limp rag like May or Cornyn" ...in retrospect I kind of agree with her now x

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

That was then this is now.

When did they get their pensions? 65 perchance?

My gran passed not to long ago down to vascular dementia(91), so props to your daughter, its a hell of a job.

Like i said check out any GP or old folks home, we are not all built to last.

My father had an accident on his scooter three months before he was due to retire

he suffered brain damage and was made immobile my mother nursed him at home

for 10 years till he died.

They may have got their pensions at 65 years...... but there were no benefits if

you were out of work, there was no supplements for low paid workers.