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The Supremacy of Westernized Asian Nations

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posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 10:11 AM
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I've written quite a bit about Hong Kong in the past but have avoided writing about the recent conflict because the situation is so volatile. However what I am willing to do is highlight just how successful Asian nations are when they embrace Western culture and free market capitalism, especially compared to their neighbors who choose to embrace heavy socialism or communism. That's not to say Eastern culture has no place, it's beautiful and should be preserved to the extent possible, however it's clear that nations such as Japan and South Korea have benefited immensely by being open minded and adopting aspects of Western culture and economics. So lets start with some basic statistics about some of these nations, including the U.S. as a reference point.

List of countries by Human Development Index:
#7 Hong Kong
#13 United States
#19 Japan
#22 South Korea
#86 China
? North Korea (doesn't even qualify to be on the list)

List of countries by GDP per capita:
#10 Hong Kong
#11 United States
#25 Japan
#31 South Korea
#76 China
#179 North Korea

You may find it surprising that Hong Kong is the top Asian "nation" on both these lists, in fact they're ranked above the United States. Hong Kong, unlike the rest of China, is heavily influenced by Western culture and they follow free market principles with very low tax rates. According to this article from the BBC "most people identify themselves as "Hong Kongers" - only 11% would call themselves "Chinese" - and 71% of people say they do not feel proud about being Chinese citizens".


As one of the world's leading international financial centres, Hong Kong's service-oriented economy is characterized by its low taxation, almost free port trade and well established international financial market.[13] Its currency, called the Hong Kong dollar, is legally issued by three major international commercial banks,[14] and pegged to the US dollar.[15][16] Interest rates are determined by the individual banks in Hong Kong to ensure they are market driven.[17] There is no officially recognised central banking system, although the Hong Kong Monetary Authority functions as a financial regulatory authority.[18][19]

According to the Index of Economic Freedom,[20] Hong Kong has had the highest degree of economic freedom in the world since the inception of the index in 1995. Its economy is governed under positive non-interventionism, and is highly dependent on international trade and finance. For this reason it is regarded as among the most favorable places to start a company. In fact, a recent study shows that Hong Kong has come from 998 registered start-ups in 2014 to over 2800 in 2018, with eCommerce (22%), Fintech (12%), Software (12%) and Advertising (11%) companies comprising the majority.[21] The Economic Freedom of the World Index listed Hong Kong as the number one country, with a score of 8.97, in 2015.[22]

Hong Kong is classified as an alpha+ global city, indicating its influence throughout the world.[28] It is one of the most significant global financial centres, holding the highest Financial Development Index score and consistently ranking as the most competitive and freest economic area in the world (2012, 2016, 2017).[20][29] The city has the largest number of skyscrapers, most surrounding Victoria Harbour.[30] On the Human Development Index, it ranks the highest in Asia and seventh in the world, and it has one of the world's highest life expectancies.[31]

Hong Kong and the Economy of Hong Kong


Japan is another great example, after befriending the West their economy became a powerhouse, producing high quality electronics, automobiles, art, etc. The same thing happened to South Korea, after separating from North Korea and embracing capitalism they have risen to be one of the richest and most technologically advanced nations on Earth, producing music and television programs enjoyed by people around the world. South Korea has the world's fastest Internet connection speeds while communist North Korea barely has an internet and China basically has their own internet which blocks citizens from viewing "propaganda" from the rest of the world.


South Korea is known for its spectacular rise from one of the poorest countries in the world to a developed, high-income country in just a few generations. This economic growth is called by some a miracle, and described as the Miracle on the Han River,[18] which has brought South Korea to the ranks of elite countries in the OECD and the G-20. South Korea still remains one of the fastest growing developed countries in the world following the Great Recession. It is included in the group of Next Eleven countries that will dominate the global economy in the middle of the 21st century.

In 1950, a North Korean invasion began the Korean War and after its end in 1953, the country's economy began to soar, recording the fastest rise in average GDP per capita in the world between 1980 and 1990.[23] Authoritarian rule ended in 1987 and the country is now the most advanced democracy with the highest level of press freedom in Asia.[24][25] South Korea is a member of the OECD's Development Assistance Committee, the G20 and the Paris Club.

South Korea is a highly developed country and the world's 11th largest economy by nominal GDP.[26] Its citizens enjoy the world's fastest Internet connection speeds[27] and the longest years of tertiary education in the world,[28] along with the world's second best healthcare system[29] and most equal access to quality healthcare,[28] resulting in the third highest health adjusted life expectancy in the world.[30]

South Korea and the Economy of South Korea


It seems in our modern times, the entitled masses feel like heavy socialism is the solution to all our problems, and this is truly dangerous thinking because it offers utopia while delivering hell, and it doesn't matter how many times history teaches us this lesson, there is always a "better way it could have been done". Nonsense. The West rose up on the back of free market capitalism, it's who we are at our core and nothing will change that.

These people should try living in one of these communist dictatorships so they can truly understand what it is they're advocating for, yet for some reason they prefer the freedom and liberty of western nations. China denies dictatorial behavior just like North Korea, but unlike North Korea we are much more willing to believe them or look past it, and that puts Hong Kong in a very precarious position.
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posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 10:25 AM
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Excellent article.

China will implode.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 10:56 AM
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befriended is an interesting way to describe this:

When Commodore Matthew C. Perry's four-ship squadron appeared in Edo Bay (Tokyo Bay) in July 1853, the shogunate was thrown into turmoil. Commodore Perry was fully prepared for hostilities if his negotiations with the Japanese failed, and threatened to open fire if the Japanese refused to negotiate. He gave them two white flags, telling them to hoist the flags when they wished a bombardment from his fleet to cease and to surrender.[8] To demonstrate his weapons, Perry ordered his ships to attack several buildings around the harbor. The ships of Perry were equipped with new Paixhans shell guns, capable of bringing destruction everywhere a shell landed.[9][10]
Nirayama (韮山) reverberatory furnace in Izunokuni, Shizuoka built by Egawa Hidetatsu. Construction began in November 1853 and was completed in 1857; it operated until 1864.[a]

Fortifications were established at Odaiba in Tokyo Bay in order to protect Edo from an American incursion. Industrial developments were also soon started in order to build modern cannons. A reverbatory furnace was established by Egawa Hidetatsu in Nirayama to cast cannons.[11] Attempts were made at building Western-style warships such as the Shōhei Maru by using Dutch textbooks.

The American fleet returned in 1854. The chairman of the senior councillors, Abe Masahiro, was responsible for dealing with the Americans. Having no precedent to manage this threat to national security, Abe tried to balance the desires of the senior councillors to compromise with the foreigners, of the emperor who wanted to keep the foreigners out, and of the feudal daimyō rulers who wanted to go to war. Lacking consensus, Abe compromised by accepting Perry's demands for opening Japan to foreign trade while also making military preparations. In March 1854, the Treaty of Peace and Amity (or Treaty of Kanagawa) maintained the prohibition on trade but opened the ports of Shimoda and Hakodate to American whaling ships seeking provisions, guaranteed good treatment to shipwrecked American sailors, and allowed a United States consul to take up residence in Shimoda, a seaport on the Izu Peninsula, southwest of Edo. In February 1855, the Russians followed suit with the Treaty of Shimoda.[citation needed]

-wiki



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: funbobby

Obviously Japan has a dark history with the West and I thought someone might bring that up, but the fact remains they are now a great friend to the West and one of our best trading partners and highly popular tourist destination. Of course there's still some lingering divisions, but their adoption and respect for the West can be seen throughout their artwork, especially in anime. In return they get our mutual respect and our partnership.
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posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Another great thread that does a superb job at illustrating the realities of socialism and other authoritarian forms of Govt that claim to be "for the people"




posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 01:07 PM
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So America should go "free" Hong Kong?


Show a index of countries before and after when America decides to bring them freedom and capitalism.

Show an index showing societal metrics that comes from relentlessly imposing a way of life to places where societal evolution didn't adapt to capitalism . Include African countries too.

Also show an index of corruption and corporations controlling the governments in capitalistic governments...

Don't just show graphs to aid your ideology, to be a fair assessment, you should show the good the bad and the ugly in both capitalism and whatever other ideological policies you oppose.

(I know that would be a crazy ask on the internet)


Why is it so hard to not mettle in other countries ' affairs when America hates immigrants so much...

America first means America first, not including smaller strategic countries which could strategically benefit the US economically or militarily...



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
So America should go "free" Hong Kong?

I didn't say that, and I'm not American I'm Australian. Like I said it's a volatile situation which is why I've tried to avoid writing about it. Ideally it would be best if the situation is resolved internally, but it's also extremely important that the West doesn't turn their back on Hong Kong, it's one of the main things stopping China from outright overtaking Hong Kong. They deserve our support and they certainly seem to want it.

This argument that it's none of our business is ridiculous, this isn't just another case of the West trying to police the world. That is a moronic and deceptive interpretation of the situation, plus we couldn't do much without starting a world war, China has a massive military. We do need to show we are standing with them however, and anyone who believes otherwise is a complete coward or communist.


Also show an index of corruption and corporations controlling the governments in capitalistic governments...

I'm quite sure nations such as NK and China will still be at the bottom of the list when it comes to ethical behavior, but if you really want an argument for the other side go ahead and take the time to do the research and present a thread like this. Share the link here and I'll be more than willing to take a look and provide a response.
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posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 02:04 PM
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Why is Hongkong being rated as a country ? They are not, instead they are considered a part of China, just as they were considered a British colony previously. They have been given a special status officially known as Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China. We have known this was to occur for 99 years which was the "lease" agreement between the British Empire and the officially recognized sovereignty of China.

I don't advocate for China but there is an official agreement. China should be held to the agreement, and considering the importance of Hongkong to the economic health of China, as to the world, I cannot see them destroy that which lays the proverbial golden eggs. I believe they have taken a serious misstep in announcing this extradition law, and since they almost immediately backed off, it seems they also recognize their mistake.

The protestors have also made mistakes. What should be peaceful protest as advertised turned into violent property destroying chaos. This has provided a major reason for China to crackdown. It is believable that agents acting for Chinese officials are in reality instigating these incidents, however the protestors have taken the bait. It is quickly becoming an all or nothing situation for both sides, which is extremely dangerous.

Hongkong is not a recognized nation even though it has all the requirements like it's own currency, legal system, and parliament. At least it did, this may have changed but currently is recognized a part of China. If the US involves itself, it would be akin to declaring war on China. Both sides, protesters and Hongkong officials need to review the terms of the agreement and hold each other accountable.

China cannot afford to lose Hongkong economically and with the trade war will be subjected to extreme losses if this is not settled peacefully. I believe China will for now, make concessions without formally doing so, as in returning to a status quo situation. The protestors seem hell bent on indepence which China will not allow. This could be a precursor to a Taiwanese confrontation, let's hope both sides settle for the status quo and not self destruction



posted on Sep, 1 2019 @ 03:37 AM
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originally posted by: DJMSN
Why is Hongkong being rated as a country ? They are not, instead they are considered a part of China, just as they were considered a British colony previously.

They are treated as a separate nation in those lists for the reasons you stated, they have their own currency, legal system, parliament, etc. However if you look at the list you'll notice there's just a dash instead of a rank number because they aren't really a separate country, but you can still easily see what their rank is.


I don't advocate for China but there is an official agreement. China should be held to the agreement, and considering the importance of Hongkong to the economic health of China, as to the world, I cannot see them destroy that which lays the proverbial golden eggs. I believe they have taken a serious misstep in announcing this extradition law, and since they almost immediately backed off, it seems they also recognize their mistake.

Yes the main point is China needs to follow the agreement and stop being authoritarian dictators. However I think you really underestimate the lengths China would be willing to go to to reacquire complete control over Hong Kong. They clearly care more about ideological principles than they do about having a prosperous nation. Control and power over their population seems to be a very large motivating factor for the Communist Party of China. Also I fear what happens when these deals expire, it would seem to me the only real option for Hong Kong is to find a way out before that happens, and China knows they will attempt it, so they might take preemptive action to ensure that never happens.



posted on Sep, 1 2019 @ 08:56 AM
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And sometimes raped by American servicemen. Japan is pretty awesome though.



posted on Sep, 1 2019 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: funbobby

Japanese servicemen did a whole lot of raping of their own. None of that discounts the OP.



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