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The Treason and Lies of Zionism

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posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 01:21 PM
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Banking Cartels have more to do with Zionism, Neoconism, and the NWO than any race or religion…

And I can prove it.


This is an article written by Dr. Henry Makow Ph.D. who is Jewish(not practicing). I think that he truly highlights the fact that the “New World Order” is not about any race, not about Jews or Israelis, it’s a cold, calculating system that exists beyond the conventions of race or religion.

The article is entitled:
Is the New World Order “Jewish”?

And if you read ALL his thoughts in the article, you’ll find that it is not, and he makes a damn good case.



The majority of Jews would want no part of the New World Order a.k.a. "globalization" if they understood its undemocratic character and how they are being used.
The true Jewish spirit holds that truth and morality are absolute and cannot be trimmed to fit one's perceived self interest. G.J. Nueberger expresses this spirit in his essay "The Great Gulf Between Zionism and Judaism."
"The Jewish people are chosen not for domination over others, not for conquest or warfare, but to serve G-d and thus to serve mankind...Thus physical violence is not a tradition or a value of the Jews. The task for which the Jewish people were chosen is not to set an example of military superiority or technical achievements, but to seek perfection in moral behaviour and spiritual purity.
Of all the crimes of political Zionism, the worst and most basic, and which explains all its other misdeeds, is that from its beginning Zionism has sought to separate the Jewish people from their G-d, to render the divine covenant null and void, and to substitute a "modern" statehood and fraudulent sovereignty for the lofty ideals of the Jewish people."
The bankers obviously aren't concerned about true Judaism or racial purity and were quite willing to sacrifice millions of Jews to achieve their design by backing Hitler. They are sacrificing thousands more Jewish, American and Muslim lives in the Middle East in their Orwellian "perpetual war for perpetual peace."
Does the New World Order serve a "Jewish" agenda or a banker elite agenda?

I would venture that it serves the latter, and the Jewish people are an instrument of this agenda like so many other people.
By giving private individuals the ability to create money out of nothing, we have created a monster which threatens to devour the planet and with it the human race.



Another excellent article that is referenced in the above article is the following:
The Federal Reserve is PRIVATELY OWNED
Written by: Thomas D. Schauf

This is an excellent article, which illustrates the fact that we are all, basically owned by a system that is privately owned by elitists who help to steer or “spearhead” the Zionist/Neocon agenda. Quote below:



Pursuant to your request, I will attempt to clear up questions you have about the Federal Reserve Bank (FED). I spent much time researching the FED and these are the shocking and revealing conclusions.

THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY.

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to coin (create) money and regulate the value thereof. Today however, the FED, which is a privately owned company, controls and profits by printing money through the Treasury, and regulating its value.

The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - the stock is not publicly traded) in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison (Reference 1, 14). The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17).

Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed:

Rothschild Bank of London
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Lehman Brothers of New York
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
(Reference 14, P. 13, Reference 12, P. 152)

These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which ultimately control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America (our forefathers were fighting their own government), they planned to control us by controlling our banking system, the printing of our money, and our debt (Reference 4, 22).



Finally, another article written by Dr. Henry Makow Ph.D. this one is entitled:


Banking Cartel is the Cause of Humanity's Woes


"The Secrets of the Federal Reserve" by Eustace Mullins

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." ---Thomas Jefferson

In November 1949, Eustace Mullins, 25, was a researcher in Washington DC when friends invited him to visit the famous American poet Ezra Pound, who was confined at St. Elizabeth's Mental Hospital and listed as a "political prisoner."
A leading figure in Modern English literature, Pound was the editor and critic who introduced the world to James Joyce, W.B. Yeats and T.S. Eliot. During the Second World War, he was charged with treason for broadcasts on Rome Radio that questioned the motives behind America's involvement.
Pound commissioned Mullins to examine the influence of the banking establishment on U.S. policy. Mullins spent every morning for two years in the Library of Congress and met with Pound every afternoon. The resulting manuscript, "The Secrets of the Federal Reserve" proved too hot for any American publisher to handle. Nineteen rejected it. One said, "you'll never get this published in New York." When it finally appeared in Germany in 1955, the U.S. Military Government confiscated all 10,000 copies and burned them.




This excellent article details the importance of a book written by Eustace Mullins called The Secrets of The Federal Reserve which can be found for free online www.apfn.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">here. I strongly urge any serious researcher to read that book, it’s truly revolutionary for its time, and was the target of much hatred and many conspiracies of silence.

Once again, I’m calling on all those with questions, who truly want to uncover this; as well as the SERIOUS N.W.O. RESEARCHERS to write in. I know that this is a controversial subject, but it’s something that mature adults can speak of in a responsible, mature manner. Please write in.

X



More to come.

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posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 04:33 PM
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Next up is an article written by B. A. Livingstone entitled:

NEOCON IMPERIALISM: Or APOCALYPSE NOW?



It appears that the greater majority of the American public have not kept pace with the rapidly developing neocon “Bush Doctrine” of pre-emptive military strikes against sovereign states as laid out in last Septembers National Security Strategy. A strategy expressly forbidden and outlawed in the Geneva Convention and Nuremberg Treaty but long sought after by neocons seeking a global American empire predicated on military force. A doctrine that establishes the unquestioned sovereignty of the United States over any an all international laws while subjecting all other sovereign states to yield to the power of its military might. As James Kurth of Swarthmore College recently stated in an article in the National Interest, “Today there is only one empire, the global empire of the United States.”

In this troubled post modern era, the United States has chosen to embrace a doctrine of force heading down a roadmap of unilateralism in international affairs that leads in only one direction, universalistic nationalism.
In the publication known as Foreign Policy an article written by Christopher Layne, a senior fellow in foreign policy studies at Cato Institute and Benjamin Schwartz, an analyst in the International Policy Department at the Rand Corporation entitled, "American Hegemony Without an Enemy," write,


After World War II Washington sought an international order based upon preponderant (American) power. That objective had very little to do with any existing or projected Soviet actions; in fact, American statesmen knew that their wide-ranging objective (of world domination) would increase Soviet insecurity and thereby the risk of war.

If fear of Soviet expansion had been the ... (real) reason to bring Western Europe and East Asia under the America security umbrella ... why does Washington continue to insist that an American-led NATO and the U.S. defense commitments to East Asia are still indispensable to America's security (after the demise of the Soviet Union)? The answer is that the basic aspiration of U.S. security policy since the Second World War has not been to contain the Soviets ... The Cold War (merely) provided the ... (excuse) for the strategy of (American) preponderance ... (The reality is that) American foreign policy ... springs from the ... outlook ... that (America must link the world to itself economically) ... and it is not an exaggeration to suggest that ... (this) has ... inexorably resulted in a globe-girdling empire.

...

To truly appreciate this unbridled intolerance and aggressive reshaping of a “New World Order” of American imperialism, it is necessary that we go backward in time to gain a better perspective of the neocons and their utopian goal of an unchallenged American superpower acting as the benevolent global hegemon.


I hope that some of the people out there read this piece. It really tries to illustrate the fact that we are living in a new era. One ruled by persons who wish to exact a large degree of control upon not only America, but The World itself.

This is no easy task. And the players are well practiced, their methods and guises are well varied. They will use nationalism of any country to further their own so-called "Zionist" or "Neoconservativist" agenda.

Because, that's what we're really up agains here folks, Phantoms. These are people who choose to exist in various scenes, in different causes and facets as time goes by. The hold no allegience to any nation or race, they only serve their higher-ups in an effort to bring about a vision of control and conquest.

Well friends, what they see as their duty to exact control upon the "feeble masses" I see as what it really is: Oppressive Corruption. They wish to use methods of control against the population in order to bring about their vision of Utopia, which is something that we "little guys" should hope to never see.

A faux world of illusions, built on a foundation of corruption. Let us peel back the veil, shall we?

A world nation, free of wars! - Through brainwashed peace...

A clean and washed populace! - Through population control and oppressive law...

A common goal, a unified vision! - Through indentured servitued exacted upon us via the economic cartels...

Is that what you want? Because that's the "Golden Dawn" that is on the horizon folks.

Not me; Not me.

X

Once again, I’m calling on all those with questions, who truly want to uncover this; as well as the serious N.W.O. researchers to write in. I know that this is a controversial subject, but it’s something that mature adults can speak of in a responsible, mature manner. Please write in; this is about truth, not hate... let's work together!



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posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 06:01 PM
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down there. Sorry, Xatnys. The volume of material you have posted is a little daunting. There is a lot to digest here and on ATS in general. Perhaps people haven't replied further because, like myself, they feel that there is naught that they can add to your excellent work, and no questions that they can ask which you haven't already explained iby default.


Out of respect for your efforts, and as an acknowledgement of the quality of this thread, I'm going to make it my first priority to soak it all up and reply properly as soon as I'm online tomorrow. Sorry again, but it's 8am here and I haven't slept yet.



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 07:32 PM
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Help. I Don't get it. The Jewish kids I grew up with, conservative, orthodox or liberal, all support Israel and immigration to same. The catholics and protestants could have cared less.

To say that Judiasm and Zionism have nothing to do with each other seems like saying Islam and Wahabism don't.



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 09:50 PM
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Wecomeinpeace,

Thank you for your kind words and tempered wisdom. I know I've put a lot out here thus far, but I told myself when I started this, that it would be a hard road, and I'd need to do a lot of work, and so be it. I'll try to go slower, but there's so much ground to cover that I need to keep a brisk pace. Hopefully I'll hear back from Infiniite and RANT, maybe we could get this put in the NWO index or maybe a sticky. I know many are afraid to post, but I think I've proven my stance is not one of hate or bias, and hopefully more support from fine people like you will be forthcoming.

Your words and interest are both greatly appreciated, thank you!


X


Originally posted by Realist05
Help. I Don't get it. The Jewish kids I grew up with, conservative, orthodox or liberal, all support Israel and immigration to same. The catholics and protestants could have cared less.

To say that Judiasm and Zionism have nothing to do with each other seems like saying Islam and Wahabism don't.


Great question.

The majority of jewish individuals who support a so called "Zionist" stance are not supporting what we are discussing here.

As detailed on page one of this thread, the following link will provide you with information:
www.absoluteastronomy.com...

The key here is that Zionism started off as a movement to get a Jewish state set up. Even though it was started beforehand(as were secret policies such as the theory of economic conquest), it's initial widespread/ public motivation came shortly after the end of WWII.

After success, the ideals of Zionism changed. It changed from it's initial focus of getting a land for the people of Israel into a form of Nationalism very akin to the German Nationalism that the Allies had just defeated in WWII.

The soviets(among others) began to speak out against this nationalism that seemed all too familiar to them. It was at this point that Zionism took a more covert turn.

Zionism began to establish various Israeli Intel agencies and so-called "Think Tanks" with the goals of regional superiority and domination in mind. Shortly thereafter, it was decided that they would need to "infiltrate" various governments in order to ensure conquest. This "infiltration" included both enemies, and allies(Including the United States). Also, they began to fully exploit the monetary systems they had helped to devise decades ago(late 20's early 30's).

The point is that the common jewish individual who supports the state of Israel is not a Zionist, even though they may believe themselves to be. If they understood the covert dealings of Zionism/Neoconservatism, they would not support those at all. Those dealings include:
State Sponsored Terror
Economic Conquest
State Sponsored Assasinatons
Political and Corporate subversion

And on and on it goes.

The ruling elite are infact the ones who support this facet of Zionism/Neconservatism, and they wisely chose to hide their actions within a people who had suffered immensly at the hands of a insane world. That was to shield them and their activities. While it's worked for a while, I and others are trying to make the seperation, so these people cannot hide in the good state of Israel, or the good Jewish people.

Please take the time to read the link provided in this post, and use that as a foundation. From there go back and study the thread over from the beginning, and you will see the difference.

Like I keep saying, the covert actions of Neocons/Zionists are NOT the same as the ones that are claimed. This is not about race or religion, as much as some would like you to believe it is, there is nothing common between Zionists/Neocons and the average Israeli/Jewish individual. They are merely pawns, and they have suffered dearly because of these rulers, just as we, the rest of society has.

NO HATE, NO BIAS. We've got to come together to bring the light out on this.

X

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posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 01:57 AM
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This man wants to chain you to invisible bonds. Enslave you via ultra-taxation. Have you consume with Fiat Currency. And rule you with a regime so oppressive, so totalitarian, that the worst of history’s maniacal dictators would quake in awe and horror…



As I’ve shown before in this thread, many of America’s elite have strong roots in Zionism and Neoconservativism. In my first post I give a fairly detailed “mini-bio” of several of these elitists, one of which being the individual pictured above. Most of you should know who that is, for those who don’t, it’s none other than current VP Dick Cheney.

This man is at the center of this situation. He is a fundamental player in this game of illusion, subversion, and treason, and he has a darkness around him that we can observe.

This post will deal with him and the organizations which surround him. I speak mainly of PNAC and JINSA, which you should be familiar with by this far into the thread. For any who’ve jumped ahead, those are the Project for a New American Century and Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. Let’s continue…

First up is the:
Cheney File

Which is LOADED with TONS of information detailing this individual’s nefarious works. Since many of them are links to other pages, all I will quote from there is this:



June 23, 1998: In a speech to the "Collateral Damage Conference" of the Cato Institute, Cheney said, "the good Lord didn't see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratically elected regimes friendly to the United States. Occasionally we have to operate in places where, all things considered, one would not normally choose to go. But, we go where the business is."

"Why do you rob banks?"
"That's where the money is!"
Willie Sutton, famous bank robber



Why did the US invade Iraq?
That's where more than 10 percent
of the remaining oil is.
www.oilempire.us...
www.oilempire.us...



Please, spend some time on this page, just reading the little tidbits, even if you don’t read all the links(and there’s a bunch), you’ll get a vibe for what this old crow is all about.


Next up is an article by William Rivers Pitt: simply titled:
The Project For A New American Century
Simple, yes; but powerful and informative, he states:


The fundamental essence of PNAC's ideology can be found in a White Paper
produced in September of 2000 entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses:
Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century." In it, PNAC outlines
what is required of America to create the global empire they envision.
According to PNAC, America must:
* Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia
and the Middle East;
* Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft,
submarine and surface fleet capabilities;
* Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a
strategic dominance of space;
* Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace;
* Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic
product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.

Most ominously, this PNAC document described four "Core Missions" for the
American military. The two central requirements are for American forces to
"fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars," and
to "perform the 'constabulary' duties associated with shaping the security
environment in critical regions." Note well that PNAC does not want America
to be prepared to fight simultaneous major wars. That is old school. In
order to bring this plan to fruition, the military must fight these wars
one way or the other to establish American dominance for all to see.

Why is this important? After all, wacky think tanks are a cottage industry
in Washington, DC. They are a dime a dozen. In what way does PNAC stand
above the other groups that would set American foreign policy if they could?
Two events brought PNAC into the mainstream of American government: the
disputed election of George W. Bush, and the attacks of September 11th.
When Bush assumed the Presidency, the men who created and nurtured the
imperial dreams of PNAC became the men who run the Pentagon, the Defense
Department and the White House. When the Towers came down, these men saw,
at long last, their chance to turn their White Papers into substantive
policy.


And continues to further that point throughout the article. Very good reading, for those who are interested, reading the full article is well worth your time.

Another article by the same author is titled:
BLOOD MONEY

Which shows the pattern emerging for America’s foray into Middle East Dominance. He writes:


George W. Bush gave a speech Wednesday night before the Godfather of conservative Washington think tanks, the American Enterprise Institute. In his speech, Bush quantified his coming war with Iraq as part of a larger struggle to bring pro-western governments into power in the Middle East. Couched in hopeful language describing peace and freedom for all, the speech was in fact the closest articulation of the actual plan for Iraq that has yet been heard from the administration.
In a previous article from February 21, the ideological connections between an extremist right-wing Washington think tank and the foreign policy aspirations of the Bush administration were detailed.
The Project for a New American Century, or PNAC, is a group founded in 1997 that has been agitating since its inception for a war with Iraq. PNAC was the driving force behind the drafting and passage of the Iraqi Liberation Act, a bill that painted a veneer of legality over the ultimate designs behind such a conflict. The names of every prominent PNAC member were on a letter delivered to President Clinton in 1998 which castigated him for not implementing the Act by driving troops into Baghdad.
PNAC has funneled millions of taxpayer dollars to a Hussein opposition group called the Iraqi National Congress, and to Iraq's heir-apparent, Ahmed Chalabi, despite the fact that Chalabi was sentenced in absentia by a Jordanian court to 22 years in prison on 31 counts of bank fraud. Chalabi and the INC have, over the years, gathered support for their cause by promising oil contracts to anyone that would help to put them in power in Iraq.


But if your reference my second link on the very first post of this thread, you’ll see that this strategy for Middle East dominance is about more than just Iraq, and about more than just oil.


Which leads us to our next article, written by David North entitled:
The war against Iraq and America’s drive for world domination

A lengthy article, it gives an interesting and rather valid view of the “bigger picture” which we are looking into with this thread. I would ask that you read the entire article, please.


On September 17, 2002 the Bush administration published its “National Security Strategy of the United States of America.” So far, there has been no serious examination of this important document in the establishment media. This is unfortunate, to say the least, because this document advances the political and theoretical justification for a colossal escalation of American militarism. The document asserts as the guiding policy of the United States the right to use military force anywhere in the world, at any time it chooses, against any country it believes to be, or it believes may at some point become, a threat to American interests. No other country in modern history, not even Nazi Germany at the height of Hitler’s madness, has asserted such a sweeping claim to global hegemony—or, to put it more bluntly, world domination—as is now being made by the United States.
The message of this document, stripped of its cynical euphemisms and calculated evasions, is unmistakably clear: The United States government asserts the right to bomb, invade and destroy whatever country it chooses. It refuses to respect as a matter of international law the sovereignty of any other country, and reserves the right to get rid of any regime, in any part of the world, that is, appears to be, or might some day become, hostile to what the United States considers to be its vital interests. Its threats are directed, in the short term, against so-called “failed states”—that is, former colonies and impoverished Third World countries ravaged by the predatory policies of imperialism. But larger competitors of the United States, whom the document refers to, in a revival of pre-World War II imperialist jargon, as “Great Powers,” are by no means out of the gun sights of the Bush administration. The wars against small and defenseless states that the United States is now preparing—first of all against Iraq—will prove to be the preparation for military onslaughts against more formidable targets.



Notice that in the above article(and quote) Mr. North references a document called the National Security Strategy of the United States of America. It’s an interesting document, go grab your own copy HERE.


To continue on the theme of American global dominance for a bit, let’s look at David Armstrong’s:
Dick Cheney’s Song of America

Which shows how this old crow, and this plan for domination has been around for a long time, example:


Few writers are more ambitious than the writers of government policy papers, and few policy papers are more ambitious than Dick Cheney’s masterwork. It has taken several forms over the last decade and is in fact the product of several ghostwriters (notably Paul Wolfowitz and Colin Powell), but Cheney has been consistent in his dedication to the ideas in the documents that bear his name, and he has maintained a close association with the ideologues behind them. Let us, therefore, call Cheney the author, and this series of documents the Plan.
The Plan was published in unclassified form most recently under the title of Defense Strategy for the 1990s, (pdf) as Cheney ended his term as secretary of defense under the elder George Bush in early 1993, but it is, like “Leaves of Grass,” a perpetually evolving work. It was the controversial Defense Planning Guidance draft of 1992 – from which Cheney, unconvincingly, tried to distance himself – and it was the somewhat less aggressive revised draft of that same year. This June it was a presidential lecture in the form of a commencement address at West Point, and in July it was leaked to the press as yet another Defense Planning Guidance (this time under the pen name of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld). It will take its ultimate form, though, as America’s new national security strategy – and Cheney et al. will experience what few writers have even dared dream: their words will become our reality.
The Plan is for the United States to rule the world. The overt theme is unilateralism, but it is ultimately a story of domination. It calls for the United States to maintain its overwhelming military superiority and prevent new rivals from rising up to challenge it on the world stage. It calls for dominion over friends and enemies alike. It says not that the United States must be more powerful, or most powerful, but that it must be absolutely powerful.



This article references a document called the Defense Strategy for the 1990s to get its point across about how long the plans are made in advance, go grab you a copy of that document from HERE.


Now, that paints an interesting picture, I know. As I’ve shown before these persons and groups have strong roots in both Zionism and Neoconism, but to bring all of the above information together in a nice little package, let me continue with the following:

The next article is regarding the Zionist connection to all of this and is based off an article written by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies(another Zionist “Think Tank”) entitled:
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm I’ll quote some and follow up with brief comments in a second…



The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.
Israel has a large problem. Labor Zionism, which for 70 years has dominated the Zionist movement, has generated a stalled and shackled economy. Efforts to salvage Israel’s socialist institutions—which include pursuing supranational over national sovereignty and pursuing a peace process that embraces the slogan, "New Middle East"—undermine the legitimacy of the nation and lead Israel into strategic paralysis and the previous government’s "peace process." That peace process obscured the evidence of eroding national critical mass— including a palpable sense of national exhaustion—and forfeited strategic initiative. The loss of national critical mass was illustrated best by Israel’s efforts to draw in the United States to sell unpopular policies domestically, to agree to negotiate sovereignty over its capital, and to respond with resignation to a spate of terror so intense and tragic that it deterred Israelis from engaging in normal daily functions, such as commuting to work in buses.
Benjamin Netanyahu’s government comes in with a new set of ideas. While there are those who will counsel continuity, Israel has the opportunity to make a clean break; it can forge a peace process and strategy based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism, the starting point of which must be economic reform. To secure the nation’s streets and borders in the immediate future, Israel can:



Please read up on it, and feel free to search for more regarding this article and articles of the same(almost exact same) ilk coming form JINSA. Take into account the information regarding Syria and where the current mid-east situation is and where it’s headed. A few pieces worth mentioning in more detail are quoted (with emphasis) below:


…prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated…
This reads like a “Who’s Who” of global Zionist/neocon corruption and control one only needs to view my first post in this thread and follow up the links to learn more about most of these individuals, and others…

…Forge a new basis for relations with the United States—stressing self-reliance, maturity, strategic cooperation on areas of mutual concern, and furthering values inherent to the West. This can only be done if Israel takes serious steps to terminate aid, which prevents economic reform…
This is the process underway currently, and can and should be viewed as the strings of the puppet master(s) which control the American elite.

· …striking Syria’s drug-money and counterfeiting infrastructure in Lebanon, all of which focuses on Razi Qanan.
· paralleling Syria’s behavior by establishing the precedent that Syrian territory is not immune to attacks emanating from Lebanon by Israeli proxy forces.
· striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at select targets in Syria proper…
These should make anyone who’s been following the news lately hold a bit more of a clear view of current actions as they are unflolding…


This is literally just the tip of the iceberg, folks. Hopefully we’ll see how far this rabbit hole really goes…


I hope there’s people reading this and studying it. I’ve referenced tons of documents and written reams of information on this, and I’m nowhere near done, I just hope it’s helping serious and unbiased research efforts. This is the most centralized and detailed, unbiased, and non-racist view of Zionism and Neocon strategy that I've seen ANYWHERE, not to toot my own horn, just saying that this is a large piece of the puzzle, guys. It's rather sad that subjects on reptilians and David Icke garner more interest, not to take away from their authors, just saying that there is MUCH more evidence for Zionism/Neoconism, and I fear it falls largely on deaf ears(apart from you great folks who read and write in, and the people contacting me privately), I hope I am wrong on that.

MORE TO COME…

X



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 02:36 AM
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Is it possible for someone to post a thread like this (usually one every few months) without the pretty picture of the same two NK (Neturai Karta) gentlemen posing for the press?

Honestly, talk about stale.

I typed up a full page dissertation explaining the differences in groups of Judaism relating to Israel in the last one of these threads and no one gave enough of a # to reply. It was completely ignored and people continue in their happy ways of not knowing a damn thing about the topic of which groups of Jews are against Israel and why they feel that way.

I guess it's not as much fun to reply to a thread that doesn't discuss how people in Israel are trying to take over the world, brainwash you, and whatever other pleasantries get whipped up on the current flavor of the month.

If you have any interest whatsoever in understanding the picture that this thread author and 400 or so people before have posted, I invite you to read what I posted in the other thread.

Note: It has nothing to do with Dick Cheney, or any secret clubs, or oil companies, or evil zionists who write books about how to conquer the planet.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Oh, additionally, the habit of quoting authors that are against Israel or Jewish people and noting that "he's Jewish too and look what he says" is nauseating. Is that supposed to establish credibility? He was born Jewish therefore he knows all the secrets or something? Honestly...

FYI: I have no problem with most aspects of this topic and can appreciate the research people are actually putting into most of it. However, those things mentioned above really upset me, moreso because they keep popping up. You can't properly research half the conversation and be ignorant about the other half. It's not fair to anyone, especially yourself.

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posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 03:38 AM
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Stale? I believe you're misinformed, friend.

What other pictures would you like?











Are those different enough for you? Surely you didn't think that there was only one photo regarding good, honest, Jewish persons standing against this oppression? There's no way you could...

I don't write articles/threads for shock value. You'll find no sensationalism here. I'm only after one thing when I make a thread/article, and that's to get people to question. Not just the subject at hand, but the nature of their view on things in general. Look at how much effort I've put into this thread! Can't you see that I have spent hours upon hours writing? About years worth of research? I do this with an open heart, and not alterior motives. I do it for the sake of peace and for the hope of truth. Can't you grasp that form of motivation?

You have me confused with someone who wishes to stir the pot for the sake of stirring the pot. That's not what I'm after, had you read my posts here, you'd know that.

I can't even respond to your points, because, well, you didn't MAKE ANY. It is obvious that you didn't read the material written thus far, or you wouldn't say that I was targeting "Jews" as I have gone over the fact that this is not a situation that involves the Jewish people on the whole. Nor would you say that I am looking at one side of the religion/race/issue(paraphrasing you).

Sure, some who adhere to the Zionist/Neocon agenda are Jewish, others are Christian, others are Satanists some don't believe in anything of the sort. All of that means nothing, you just have to take the view of race or religion or supremecy out of the equation and see what you're left with, which is what this thread has done. Open your mind and step back from the religion/race aspect of this.

These are ideologies that were bred from a regional, then a nationalistic, and then covert "globalistic" policy(ies) while using the plight of the Israeli people as a shield for these actions.

This is not about a race, this is not about a religion, and if you took your head out of your ass and read my words you would have grasped that fact, easily. I'm not speaking for one side; I'm not speaking against another side. This has to do with ALL OF US, equally. We're all in this together, fella.

You can't swagger into this thread and vomit forth a string of words that is meaningless and then continue on to say "It's not about Cheney" how do you know? You have no earthly idea, because you came in here, have not read what has been written, and think that you're speaking to a hater.

Well, you're not, and you got called on it. If you read ALL or even a decent part of what I've written, with an open mind and a true thirst for knowledge, you'd realize how truly mistaken your words are.

I ask you, please: read my posts, don't just try to generalize because you've seen a "Zionist" thread in the past and had to defend a race or a religion. There's no need for that here. There is no hate, no superiority, no bias, that's what I'm here to transcend; and anyone who cares for truth or freedom can help that to happen. I know it's a rough subject friend, but calm and mature discussion can overcome those obstacles. That is the focus of this thread. You could know that, if you read the thread.


This situation is larger than just basic Zionist principals; it has evolved over time into other forms of politics and business. It's not as clear-cut as you'd like it to be, and your words show that you speak from a very limited knowledge base on this subject and it's evolution.

My thread is a message of peace, tolerance, truth, and unity. I have no time for hate, and I have no reason to try to defend my stance against ANYONE who would try to put an easy-use label on me. I do so only with the hope that you can see my true intent, and then we can continue in a respectful manner, and learn and grow together, all of us.

You can't label me as a hater, you can't label my information as anti-Semitic, it's not and I'm not.

You'd know that had you actually denied ignorance and read my words.

Peace to you, I hope you'll come back and read my posts in full. They're meant for all of us to learn and question from.

Thank you,

X



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 03:52 AM
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Oh, additionally, the habit of quoting authors that are against Israel or Jewish people and noting that "he's Jewish too and look what he says" is nauseating. Is that supposed to establish credibility? He was born Jewish therefore he knows all the secrets or something? Honestly...


You miss the point of showing Judea opposition to Zionism/"Neoconism". It's there to show you that there is a middle ground here. That not everyone is motivated by reasons of race or religion. Just the fact that such a charged subject can have rational, moderate researchers is a credit to the nature of this research. Not everything is done for grandstanding.

But yes, there is a certain degree of credibility that comes from people on ALL sides of a situation coming together to stand against it. It shows that more is involved than the two polar opposites that mainstream theory would like the public to believe.


Calm rational research and opposition of ANY topic, occurring on ALL sides of the situation, does indeed show a form of logical credibility. The sheer fact that you (or the media, or anyone) wish to not recognize it does not invalidate it.

Logical, Unbiased Research. Yeah, rational persons who view things logically can see that stands for something.



X



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 05:33 AM
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That last post by Djarums looks & sounds like a desperate move to me - the "Oh you can't be serious - You people don't know what you are Talking about" move. How are you going to tell people with personal experience of these things that they don't know what they are talking about?

I think most people know the Truth by now anyhow! Thanks for your voice & telling the Truth Xatnys! ZIONISM is a very REAL Phenomenon! The U.S.A. & U.K. will back up the MODERN STATE of ISRAEL (no connection to the "Israel" in the Bible BTW - if you believe that then you have been Purposely DECEIVED - those people in the Pictures are REAL Rabbi's - last time I checked George W. Bush & Dick Cheney &
Richard Pearl & Douglas Feith & Bill Krystal & Donald Rumsfeld are NOT RABBI's) - NO MATTER WHAT - all the way until the End of the World! Karma is a very REAL Phenomenon too BTW - what goes around comes around - the Zionists should have learned this by now!


A Zionist is as much of a "Terrorist" as the Radical Islamists! REAL Jews & Christians & Moslems live together in PEACE out of Respect for GOD & EACH OTHER!

[edit on 11-3-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

[edit on 11-3-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

[edit on 11-3-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 08:41 AM
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Here are some more interesting texts:

www25.brinkster.com...

www25.brinkster.com...

The iniquity article really struck "home" with me, if you're a Christian this one is probably an invaluable read. The relavant parts are in it are:
->History of the early church (1st century)
->The twelve tribes of Israel
->The influences of 'Judaism' on the early Christian Chruch.

If you're into conspiracy theories, have read up on the lumi's, and are a student of history - having you read those - would love to see some dialog from you.

serge



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 10:14 AM
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I'm sure many here(reading and responding) can imagine there is much emotion behind the basic conventions of this subject. I'm glad we're(for the most part) able to keep this flowing in the spirit of truth and in an open manner.




Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
That last post by Djarums looks & sounds like a desperate move to me - the "Oh you can't be serious - You people don't know what you are Talking about" move. How are you going to tell people with personal experience of these things that they don't know what they are talking about?

I think most people know the Truth by now anyhow! Thanks for your voice & telling the Truth Xatnys! ZIONISM is a very REAL Phenomenon! The U.S.A. & U.K. will back up the MODERN STATE of ISRAEL (no connection to the "Israel" in the Bible BTW - if you believe that then you have been Purposely DECEIVED - those people in the Pictures are REAL Rabbi's - last time I checked George W. Bush & Dick Cheney &
Richard Pearl & Douglas Feith & Bill Krystal & Donald Rumsfeld are NOT RABBI's) - NO MATTER WHAT - all the way until the End of the World! Karma is a very REAL Phenomenon too BTW - what goes around comes around - the Zionists should have learned this by now!


A Zionist is as much of a "Terrorist" as the Radical Islamists! REAL Jews & Christians & Moslems live together in PEACE out of Respect for GOD & EACH OTHER!


Thanks for your kind words, Seraphim. I have to agree that that post really was rooted in. something; I'll give benefit of the doubt and assume he had a "knee-jerk" reaction without understanding the true nature of this thread and the sheer amount of information and research contained herein.

I totally support the idea of Karma, and your message is one that strikes a chord with me. And in particular I wanted to re-affirm your following words:

REAL Jews & Christians & Moslems live together in PEACE out of Respect for GOD & EACH OTHER!

Because I firmly believe that. Heck, I know it to be true, it's the heart of this message, and so I thank you for that!





Originally posted by serge
Here are some more interesting texts:

www25.brinkster.com...

www25.brinkster.com...

The iniquity article really struck "home" with me, if you're a Christian this one is probably an invaluable read. The relavant parts are in it are:
->History of the early church (1st century)
->The twelve tribes of Israel
->The influences of 'Judaism' on the early Christian Chruch.

If you're into conspiracy theories, have read up on the lumi's, and are a student of history - having you read those - would love to see some dialog from you.

serge



Wow serge, that is really interesting stuff. At first, I thought it was too religiously aligned, but I think that in the name of tolerance, our fellow researchers can accept it with an open mind, and may even open some of our eyes? That's the best you can hope for, in any subject; that you can get people, even ONE person, to question their vantage point, share yours, and then leave with their own still, but respectful of others, that's golden.


Thanks guys, really. I hope we begin to hear from others as well, I know they're out there viewing, and this movement/stance can use all the friends it can get.

All I ask is respectful and mature discussion of this stuff in the interest of tolerance and truth.

Thanks again, everyone.
I've said it before, but the quality contributions of those of you who are researching this with me, you're all Way Above Top Secret, in my book.


X



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 10:39 AM
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Xatnys...there seems more than a few that are following the thread

i can appreciate your trying to downplay the 'religious' linkage
but you cannot Divorce the 'religious aspects' from the system
of 'blood-bankers'...they use it for their purposes,no?

it may be a better description to say that
NeoCons & Zionists are actually secular, a-religious, worldly mindsets

the Vatican is also the practical world counterpart of 'spiritual' Catholicism

~~~

perhaps your expose is better left under-the-radar, even misunderstood
and wrapped in a haze of supposed bias...
(note the recent 'open season' on Judges in the recent news items)



[edit on 11-3-2005 by St Udio]



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 10:53 AM
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Excellent stuff as always Xatnys, unfortunently I havnt been able to post much recently as most of my term papers are due in March, and of course Exams folow in April. Nonetheless, it is interesting that no-one had actually perused the actual PNAC website (I posted the link on the first page). Through their documentation, one can readily see the path to Zionist domination through exploiting the general apathy towards policy by congressman and senators, that is the secret of the PNAC and other Zionist lobby groups, they are persistent and belligerent, unable to recognize fault in their doctrine and relentless in smearing/attacking those lobby groups or think-tanks that oppose them. ALso their financial reserves are enormous, and hold a lot of political experience of moulding the GOP...its been going on since 1982, and also, Richard Perle, a policy guru for the zionist lobbyists, originally backed a Democrat who was a staunch anti-communist, they really hold no alligences other than to the political/economic agenda of the zionist movement...after all, look at the Federal Reserve article posted above, it lends some credence that this cabal is not purely motivated by political power, after all, one with the resources makes the policies in the end, the old colloquialism that 'money begets power' is not without merit!

PH



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 11:06 AM
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Since what you call "Zionism" has been around for decades and the PNAC think tank is only 8 years old, are you suggesting Zionism is responsible for the assembling of the PNAC members?

Since It wasn't the Neo-Cons who made possible the creation of Israel (Created in one day as told in the Bible), how are they connected?

What political agenda does "Zionism" have? As far as I can tell, Israel is a small nation-state that is trying to survive, surrounded by countries that are sworn to her demise for no other reason but their blood line. Help connect the dots for me, as I see no huge conspiracy with Israel; At least not one where Israel is the blood-thirsty entity set on a mission to take over the world.



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by St Udio
``

Xatnys...there seems more than a few that are following the thread

i can appreciate your trying to downplay the 'religious' linkage
but you cannot Divorce the 'religious aspects' from the system
of 'blood-bankers'...they use it for their purposes,no?

it may be a better description to say that
NeoCons & Zionists are actually secular, a-religious, worldly mindsets

the Vatican is also the practical world counterpart of 'spiritual' Catholicism

~~~

perhaps your expose is better left under-the-radar, even misunderstood
and wrapped in a haze of supposed bias...
(note the recent 'open season' on Judges in the recent news items)



[edit on 11-3-2005 by St Udio]



Hey Udio, good to hear from you again
; and thanks for your continued support and interest
. I've followed the same line of thought you seem to be having. The question becomes "how far do you push the subject?" Because the middle ground allows me to stay out of trying to assign a dogma or my personal beliefs to it; it's where I've chosen to start this, but by no means must it ignore others thoughts and opinions.

Let me ask this of you, if you'll be so kind:

You allude to their secular nature, would you call them secular humanists or?

Why do you choose that label in particular?

Regarding the Vatican, we both know that there are tons of organizations involved in this debacle, I mean if they're going to control everything, then they need to infiltrate many aspects of mainstream life.

In your first post here, you allude to the Vatican involvement very much so. What further are your findings? Please, your thoughts and ideas are welcome here Udio, let’s get into the "nitty-gritty" of this aspect that seems to be of import to you, in the nature of cooperation.

I look forward to hearing from you, very interesting.


X

Oh, and I know what you mean about keeping "below the radar", but I can't exist in fear, I'm here to show readers that we can assert ourselves as free and try to uncover things, so let's get into the nitty gritty of it, and let's see what other tentacles of the octopus we can uncover!

X


Edit= Sorry guys, the last two posts came in as I was replying to Udio, responses coming right up! Thank you!

X



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posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 11:27 AM
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Quote: "Since it wasn't the Neo-Cons who made possible the creation of Israel (Created in one day as told in the Bible) how are they connected?"

You people are all F****D IN THE HEAD! The "Israel" in the Bible (Means Righteous & Chosen of God) has NOTHING to do with the MODERN STATE of ISRAEL! We are ALL the People of God! Do you have any idea how many people can Trace their Lineage back to "Abrahamic Roots" - what are we all supposed to abandon our Native Countries now & Migrate to Israel? Well you are more than welcome to - I for one am staying right were I am!

Quote: "What Political Agenda does "Zionism" have? As far as I can tell, Israel is a small nation-state that is trying to Survive."

By use of BRUTAL FORCE - in a Place that it doesn't belong in the first place! Gee I wonder why all of the Moslems are Freaking out down there in the Middle East - are they all having a Bad Hair Day or is there some Foreign Entity with Super Funding (Ah now I know were all of my TAX Dollars are going - THANKS Crazy Fundamentalist Politicians) & Military Support by U.S.A. & U.K. driving TANKS down the Street &
*Shooting 15 year old Palestinian Boys* armed with (get this) ROCKS!

The State of Israel claims its Sovereignty based on the Hebraic Scriptures because supposedly "God Said" the land is theirs - Gee do you think that "GOD" will be coming down to Earth any time soon to straighten it all out (Sarcastic)!

On the other hand I actually do Hope that Jesus will Come Back to Earth soon to settle all of this Monkey NON-SENSE out - I have had ENOUGH of it!


[edit on 11-3-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

[edit on 11-3-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by Paul Horrorshow
Excellent stuff as always Xatnys, unfortunently I havnt been able to post much recently as most of my term papers are due in March, and of course Exams folow in April. Nonetheless, it is interesting that no-one had actually perused the actual PNAC website (I posted the link on the first page). Through their documentation, one can readily see the path to Zionist domination through exploiting the general apathy towards policy by congressman and senators, that is the secret of the PNAC and other Zionist lobby groups, they are persistent and belligerent, unable to recognize fault in their doctrine and relentless in smearing/attacking those lobby groups or think-tanks that oppose them. ALso their financial reserves are enormous, and hold a lot of political experience of moulding the GOP...its been going on since 1982, and also, Richard Perle, a policy guru for the zionist lobbyists, originally backed a Democrat who was a staunch anti-communist, they really hold no alligences other than to the political/economic agenda of the zionist movement...after all, look at the Federal Reserve article posted above, it lends some credence that this cabal is not purely motivated by political power, after all, one with the resources makes the policies in the end, the old colloquialism that 'money begets power' is not without merit!

PH


Indeed great to see you back in the thread Paul, I had worried you got lost
I can understand you're pressed for time, hope you're doing well on your papers!

You and I are on the same wavelength regarding PNAC, which really doesn't try to hide its ties at all. Furthermore we follow the same line of reasoning re: the Fed.

Akin to what you stated, the golden rule is:
He with the gold makes all the rules.

Or so they say
.

I guess it really boils down to how much of mainstream propaganda one chooses (on some level) to ingest and hang onto. Some can have facts presented to them, and refute them out of sheer willpower, a truly interesting dynamic to observe.

Hope to hear from you again, but keep your priorities in order as you have done thus far, and keep questioning. It's a man’s (or woman's) ability to question and ponder subjects foreign to him that truly makes him free. It's all up here *points to brain* bud, that's where freedom really exists. I have a feeling you realize that on some level already though.


X


To Thomas Crowne: I'm going to have to break your quote up to highlight these reasonable and interesting questions....



Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Since what you call "Zionism" has been around for decades and the PNAC think tank is only 8 years old, are you suggesting Zionism is responsible for the assembling of the PNAC members?


Many things are a result of ulterior motives and hidden agendas. Does that surprise you, Thomas? It shouldn't, brother. Have you read my posts in here regarding PNAC and it's Zionist roots? Have you read my work connecting its reports and in turn current US policy with other more openly Zionist think tanks and intel agency reports? Have you looked at my information that shows that many of the founding members of PNAC are in fact members or directors of other staunchly pro-Zionist movements/agencies such as JINSA?

If so, what it your real question here? I don't think I've misunderstood you, and from your other posts I've read, you seem like an intelligent kind of guy, so what were you trying to get at exactly?




Since It wasn't the Neo-Cons who made possible the creation of Israel (Created in one day as told in the Bible), how are they connected?


Why would you assume that since the Neo-Cons weren't the ones that helped to found Israel, they are not connected? as Paul(quoted above) highlights, just by studying Zionism and viewing PNAC's own page, you can view the Zionist ties. Have you tried to do so? I sure have, and I've made several posts thus far that have begun to address this issue. You speak of the NeoCon movment as if it had to have created Zionism or the Zionist movement in order to be assosiated, how is that logical, in your estimation?

Simply put, it's not logical. What you're failing to realize is that the NeoCon movement was started by Zionism, directly or indirectly makes no matter. The simple fact that most of the founders of the NEOCON movement are at least closet zionist(and most are openly zionist) speaks against your logic.

But even that point is moot. Which came first? The chicken? The egg? Why does it matter in the grand scheme of things? If you meant something else, clarify your thoughts on this, please.



What political agenda does "Zionism" have? As far as I can tell, Israel is a small nation-state that is trying to survive, surrounded by countries that are sworn to her demise for no other reason but their blood line. Help connect the dots for me, as I see no huge conspiracy with Israel; At least not one where Israel is the blood-thirsty entity set on a mission to take over the world.


Well that really depends on who you ask, doesn't it? If you ask the average Jewish person living in new york, for example, he'd probably say that Zionism is related to the founding, growth and prosperity of the state of Israel, and it's people, the Israeli.

It is my contention that many horrible things have taken place under the guise of Zionism. See, when you look at the origin, and then the evolution of both overt and covert Zionist movements, you can paint a pretty detailed picture. All of this has been detailed before in this thread, but I will go over some of the points again with you:

Zionism began in earnest, as a small political movement charged with the founding of a State for the Jewish people. It gained itself wide international momentum after the fall of the Axis powers during the WWII era.

Zionism achieved it's initial goals. Success for the people of Israel, this caused much joy for the hearty people who had been through so much. Naturally, the initial instigators of the successful Zionist movement (not the original founders any longer) wanted to use this general positive light to keep their authority and move their ideals forward. This spawned the small political movement to in turn become a larger (and growing) nationalistic movement. This is where initial corruption set in.

Are you aware of what happened to the Jewish people when this occurred? There were horrible things occurring in Israel, all at the hands of the Zionist-loyal government.

Many would come, from all over the world, to the promise of a new existence of freedom and justice, and found neither. I speak of the INTERNAL racism that many faced when they got to this new state.

You have two types of Jewish individuals: Sephardi, who are considered the original, natural Jewish race, and you also have the Ashkenazi, a later formation of Jewish individuals who have roots separate from that of the Sephardi. This rift caused great strife and racism to fester in the new little state of Israel. I could further this, but it's leaving the scope of our discussion.

From that point, the new nationalism based movement of Zionism caught the attention of many on the world stage. The most vocal of those onlookers were the soviets. They saw trouble brewing there, and went so far as to have Zionism declared a racist movement by the UN(later repealed in '91).

It was at this point that covert zionist operations began, and that is the subject of this thread.

Having laid out that foundation for you, if you'll go over my previous posts, you'll see that is a basic (more or less) principal of this thread's scope.

I hope I've interested you enough to read through the thread, as you'll find a wealth of interesting information contained herein.

X



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Quote: "Since it wasn't the Neo-Cons who made possible the creation of Israel (Created in one day as told in the Bible) how are they connected?"

The "Israel" in the Bible (Means Righteous & Chosen of God) has NOTHING to do with the MODERN STATE of ISRAEL! We are ALL the People of God! Do you have any idea how many people can Trace their Lineage back to "Abrahamic Roots" - what are we all supposed to abandon our Native Countries now & Migrate to Israel? Well you are more than welcome to - I for one am staying right were I am!

Quote: "What Political Agenda does "Zionism" have? As far as I can tell, Israel is a small nation-state that is trying to Survive."

By use of BRUTAL FORCE - in a Place that it doesn't belong in the first place! Gee I wonder why all of the Moslems are Freaking out down there in the Middle East - are they all having a Bad Hair Day or is there some Foreign Entity with Super Funding (Ah now I know were all of my TAX Dollars are going - THANKS Crazy Fundamentalist Politicians) & Military Support by U.S.A. & U.K. driving TANKS down the Street &
*Shooting 15 year old Palestinian Boys* armed with (get this) ROCKS!

The State of Israel claims its Sovereignty based on the Hebraic Scriptures because supposedly "God Said" the land is theirs - Gee do you think that "GOD" will be coming down to Earth any time soon to straighten it all out (Sarcastic)!

On the other hand I actually do Hope that Jesus will Come Back to Earth soon to settle all of this Monkey NON-SENSE out - I have had ENOUGH of it!


[edit on 11-3-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

[edit on 11-3-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]



You make some great points about the acts of Zionism against the people in that region, and you're not alone in the fact that many bad things have occured to both sides, because of certain elements.

I think your above words, while(understandibly) filled with emotion, do highlight the senselessness of the entire situation, don't they?

Even more so when you take into account that many jewish individuals are anti-zionist, and stand with the other repressed cultures in the region.

Then, if you add to that my responses, which in turn(with the help of my previous posts) highlight that neoconism and zionism are interconnectd, and that this was done covertly in order to garner strong support for the zionist agenda, and further goals for not only regional dominance, but eventual global dominance of all those who work with zionists, who hide their work inside the Jewish people.

It really goes a long way to uncovering the inner workings of what you(we) see occuring currently via US and Israeli policy and the current actions and coming actions of the US.

I think that as we continue with this expose', the picture will only become clearer.

I appreciate your passion for the subject, and understand how refusal of certain elements can anger, honestly I do.

Let's continue to try to keep approaching those we wish to inform with strength, but compassion as well; it's to all our benefit. I truly want and appreciate your support; don't throw in the towel... hang in there, brother.


X



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 06:43 PM
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All I have to say is excellent post. You are one of the most well informed individuals I have run across on this forum. You bring to light a very important point with this. I just hope no one blasts you as an "anti semite" or a "supporter of terrorism".


Oh, I almost forgot....

You have voted Xatnys for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.



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