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The truth is that the Jewish faith and Zionism are two very different philosophies. They are as opposite as day and night. The Jewish people have existed for thousands of years. In their two thousand years of Divinely decreed exile no Jew ever sought to end this exile and establish independent political sovereignty anywhere. The people's sole purpose was the study and fulfillment of the Divine commandments of the Torah.
The Zionist movement created the Israeli state. The latter is a persuasion less than one hundred years old. Its essential goal was and is to change the nature of the Jewish people from that of a religious entity to a political movement. From Zionism's inception the spiritual leaders of the Jewish people stood in staunch opposition to it.
To this day Torah Jewry remains forever loyal to its faith. Zionists want the world to believe that they are the representatives of the entire Jewish people. This is false! The Jewish people never chose them as their leaders.
Which is a VERY long article, but it is really worth reading.
There's a little organization over here in the U.S. called the Project for A New American Century, which from now on I will call PNAC. Sounds benign, right? Let's see who makes up the "high cabal" of this organization, shall we? Let's:
Donald Rumsfeld, hmm where have I seen this guy...jeeze, it's slipped my mind I guess. Yeah, well, whoever this guy is, he's a founding member of PNAC.
Paul Wolfowitz, another PNAC founder, just happens to be the Dep. Def. Secretary while all this policy is beginning to come into play. Not only that, but he's a Neocon's Neocon, and proud and staunch supporter of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (look them up, sometime).
Dick Cheyney, another founder of PNAC; I thought I knew who this guy was. Not really sure anymore, he's rather quiet lately, but then again; the best puppeteers and ventriloquists always are. Not only is he a proud and staunch supporter of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, he's on the board of advisors! Dedication at its finest, no doubt. Worth mentioning that whatever role he's playing now, he was also the Defense Secretary during the original Bush's legacy, one that had a very similar focus for this region, strange, eh? Hey, what company was dealing with the oil in Iraq part one? Which is the same one over there now too eh? Halliburton? Dick Cheyney's Halliburton? Nah, I must mean two other Haliburtons, right? Right??
Lewis Libby, another PNAC founding member. You may not be familiar with this jewel of neoconism, but I assure you he's important. He's an old ghost that has been in the halls of the Whitehouse for a long time in different roles. He's chief of staff to that stranger Cheyney, and was also on Bush Sr.'s Defense Department. A rich guy with ties to many of the very companies that are "rebuilding" Iraq, and lining up for a chance at Iran and Syria. That includes the RAND corp. and Northrop Grumman, both of which revel in massive contracts by the government.
Originally posted by Paul Horrorshow
Absolutely incredible post. I've wanted to start a thread exactly like this and you beat me to it. Regarding the Zionist hijacking of the White House, another one has joined ranks, Micheal Chertoff (sic?) as the new Homeland Security Czar...it really is fascinating that not many people (aside from the fringe) know anything of this unfolding nightmare, but that is of course, what the perpetrators want...'fahrenhype 911' is a fascinating piece of propoganda in which Libby looks the part of 'benelovent father' espousing the necessity of the Patriot Act!?...im mean, these guys created the terror we fight..its incredible...this documentary documents how it all came to be.
As an aside, your signature is perfect...as a massive fan of Hicks myself, I've always toyed with the idea he was 'snuffed', his comedy was so prophetic it was scary..."revelations" was incredible! a quote by Hicks which best summarizes our current situation "Go Back to America, your government is in control! You are free to do what we tell you!"
For those who want to see things straight from the source...here is the website
If you want any help in research...feel free to U2U
Posted by RANT
I need to think about this some more.
You make good points, but it really comes down to our ever evolving language and the potential for misunderstanding, particularly with charged labels.
If as your premise shows, Zionists have nothing to do with Judaism, why not just use the politcal (not religious) label?
Neo-cons. I mean that's what the globalists have evolved into right?
"On Sunday, June 1, 2003 at 5th Ave. and 59th St. in Manhattan, NYC a group of anti-Zionist Jews demonstrated against Zionism and the Zionist State celebrated by marchers in the so-called Israel Day Parade." (Anti-Zionist orthodox Jews protest against Israel ) As improbable as it may seem to the uninformed, a significant number of Jews in the United States, Great Britain, Israel and elsewhere oppose Zionism, Zionist oppression of the Palestinians and, in some instances, even the very existence of the State of Israel itself! We say hidden protest because this tangible opposition has been totally ignored by the news departments of the major television and radio networks, magazines and newspapers (in the last source, some papers, such as The New York Times, may make very brief mention of the protests, but even then they bury articles far from the front page). Jews: Zionism is cause of instability in the world "The Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews will proclaim their loyalty to pure Judaism and their opposition to Zionist heresy, which violates every principle of the Jewish religion. These people believe that the idolatrous Zionist ideology has nothing to do with Orthodox Jews, and that Jews are obligated by Judaism to live in peace and harmony with all other nations throughout the world, including Palestinian natives of course."
On November 10, 1975 the United Nations General Assembly Quick Summary:
Quick Summary not found for this subject United Nations General Assembly adopted, by a vote of 72 to 35 (with 32 abstentions), Resolution 3379, which stated that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination." The resolution was revoked on 16 December 1991, with a vote of 111 to 25 (with 13 abstentions).
Originally posted by masterp
And the word 'zion' links to Jews. But it is not only Jews that run this world. So the usage of the word 'zionism' is a little bit racist, in my opinion.
[edit on 6-3-2005 by masterp]
Zionism represents itself as a political movement concerned principally with the establishment of a state in Palestine to be controlled by and for Jews. It began in the late 19th Century and attained its stated objective with the creation in 1948 of the state of Israel by the United Nations (at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states). Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank as a result of the military aggression carried out by it in 1967 and 1973.
In its current form Zionism seeks to dominate all of Palestine and the Middle East by means of violence and the threat of violence (using weapons manufactured and purchased with billions of dollars of "aid" supplied by the United States) and to maximize its influence in world affairs and in world history, principally by means of control of the government of the U.S.A. (primarily by blackmailing its politicians), at the expense of the social wellbeing not only of the Palestinians but of the peoples of all lands.
Zionism is not a part of the Jewish religion, but rather is parasitic upon it. Most Zionists are Jews, but not all Jews are Zionists. To condemn Zionism as immoral (racist, vicious and depraved) is not to condemn Judaism.
WASHINGTON (MER) - They already have firm control of the Pentagon, which also actually means some 80% of the "Intelligence" Budget. And they've made great progress in recent years taking over the State Department as well as the National Security Council. Now crusading "Neocons" -- many Jewish and nearly all connected over the years with the Israeli-Jewish lobby in Washington -- are determined to finally bring the last resistant power center, the CIA, into line. Washington these days is like the land of the body-snatchers, everyone looking over their shoulders, the fear factor rising higher and higher.
Now the Israeli-connected Neocons are in reality the very Washington operatives that are really responsible for all that has gone so wrong in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East. Most of the lies about Iraqi "Weapons of Mass Destruction", most of the most militant and blood-thirsty tactics of the military, can be traced back to them, to their ideology, and to their purposeful deceptions and trickery.
President George Bush and the United States are in a serious situation in Iraq for one reason only: neoconservatives will permit no dissent. Neoconservatives used their presidential appointments and Vice President Cheney to silence the CIA and Defense and State Department intelligence services, all of which disagreed with the neoconservatives’ case for invading Iraq.
The invasion did not result from faulty US intelligence. The invasion resulted from the neoconservatives’ confidence that they alone are right. While neocon policymakers closed down US intelligence, their allies in the neocon media proceeded to silence dissenters. People with contrary views, no matter how well informed, were branded unpatriotic and anti-semitic.
Anyone who questioned the plan to invade Iraq was said to be for the terrorists and against Israel. Some neocon media shills even went so far as to declare that an American could not be both patriotic and against the war.
Conclusion: ALL World Governments Under Hostile Attack from United States
The current US government is working with a hostile attitude to divert
democractic governments and institutions around the world. The means
include, but not limited to:
1) Control of media, publication of facts, claims and stories suited
to the purpose of promoting or destroying persons or issues from
the target public's attention. Controlling the attention of "puppets".
Either destroy the facts from being available to them, distract them
from the facts, or get them to ignore the facts or get them to not
This Information warfare and perception management is being used
on a very very wide scale in the whole United States as well.
2) Bribery/Influence of key individuals via financial means or threats,
blackmail or if not possible, destroying their credibility, fame,
image, etc. Like the UN weapons inspector Hans Blix's treatment before
the Iraq war.
3) Arranging financial support for people the US government sees favoring
4) Military intervention, sabotage, assassinations and other dirty tricks.
February 1, 2005: “Two items of interest for you concern the legal attacks on Rumsfeld in Germany and the actual number of dead military in the Iraq campaign. First off, the President is livid with rage over the German court charges against Rummy and his band of trained assassins. An American group has filed war crimes charges against them in the German courts and both the White House and the DoS have actually threatened the German government with “serious economic reprisals” if they do not have the suit dismissed. The Germans have responded, saying that this is not a German government action and they are legally unable to shut down lawsuits in their court system anymore than Bush could stop a civil suit against Halliburton for wholesale fraud and deception in Federal court. The Bush people are so angry, they shout about this. Apparently, the Germans are being passively aggressive and are digging in their heels on this. Let’s face it, kids. Because of Bush’s actions, we are hated all over the world.
So do we now have yet another US-engineered ‘velvet revolution’ underway in Lebanon aka Serbia, Ukraine, Georgia and other points east?
The use of PR companies and ‘NGOs’ by the US government to ‘sell’ its foreign policy goes back a long way but it was the invasion of Grenada under Reagan when we witnessed a ‘test run’ of the idea and the technique really came into its own during Gulf War 2 in 1991 when the US DoD employed PR companies to ‘sell’ US intervention. Importantly, the DoD started to use PR companies to issue releases on the ‘progress’ of the war rather than internally-generated releases that was the beginning of a much closer relationship between the state and the PR business.
The Iranians are about to commit an "offense" far greater than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro of Iraq’s oil exports in the fall of 2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will be over Iran's nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare - Iran's upcoming euro-based oil Bourse.
In 2005-2006, The Tehran government has a developed a plan to begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to international oil trades - using a euro-denominated international oil-trading mechanism. This means that without some form of US intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the international oil trade. Given U.S. debt levels and the stated neoconservative project for U.S. global domination, Tehran's objective constitutes an obvious encroachment on U.S. dollar supremacy in the international oil market
AMY GOODMAN: John Perkins joins us now in our firehouse studio. Welcome to Democracy Now!
JOHN PERKINS: Thank you, Amy. It’s great to be here.
AMY GOODMAN: It’s good to have you with us. Okay, explain this term, “economic hit man,” e.h.m., as you call it.
JOHN PERKINS: Basically what we were trained to do and what our job is to do is to build up the American empire. To bring -- to create situations where as many resources as possible flow into this country, to our corporations, and our government, and in fact we’ve been very successful. We’ve built the largest empire in the history of the world. It's been done over the last 50 years since World War II with very little military might, actually. It's only in rare instances like Iraq where the military comes in as a last resort. This empire, unlike any other in the history of the world, has been built primarily through economic manipulation, through cheating, through fraud, through seducing people into our way of life, through the economic hit men. I was very much a part of that.
AMY GOODMAN: How did you become one? Who did you work for?
JOHN PERKINS: Well, I was initially recruited while I was in business school back in the late sixties by the National Security Agency....
The Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force, General Ronald R. Fogleman, tasked the Air University at Maxwell AFB, AL to look 30 years into the future to identify the concepts, capabilities and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the 21st century.
The Air University commander led a team of students and faculty from the Air University's Air War College and Air Command and Staff College; scientists and technologists from the Air Force Institute of Technology, located at Wright-Patterson AFB, OH; Air Force Academy and AFROTC cadets from around the country; and selected academic and business leaders in the civilian community across the nation in the 10-month effort to meet General Foglemans tasking.
The resulting study is called Air Force 2025 or 2025 for short. The team's findings were briefed to General Fogleman in June 1996 and to the Secretary of the Air Force, Dr. Sheila Widnall, in July 1996. The 2025 study was subsequently published in a collection of white papers consisting of an executive summary and 41 individual papers, totaling more than 3,300 pages of text.
4). Centuries before the inception of Islam, Jews were yearning
to return to Israel, and the Koran itself records this in many suras
(chapters), such as 17:7, 17:104, and 5:21 that tell the Jews to
"enter into the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you"
Originally posted by eslag90
Those are ultra-orthadox Jews. First of all, they are no where near to being the majority of Jews. Some ultra-orthadox Jews dont think that the Jews should have a state until the messiah comes. Very little Jews agree with that. I haven't heard any reasons to think that Zionism is bad. I once posted the question and no one gave a straight answer. Doesn't anyone have anything to say that can be proven?
Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
Firstly I'd like to say excellent post and my commendations to you for your bravery in approaching the issue. One Way Above vote coming your way.
I'm still digesting the information you've presented, but I have a couple fo questions for you:
1. What light, if any, has your research shed on the now infamous Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion? This document(s) has been widely declared to have been debunked as a quote, "racist hoax", and I would like to hear your view on the issue.
2. What are your views and/or research results on some rather outlandish claims that have floated around the Internet and the literary world that the Holocaust itself was actively engineered by Zionist elements against their own people, primarily to provide the setting and the impetus for the subsequent establishment of the Jewish state, secondarily to foster sympathy for the Zionist cause, and thirdly to demonize those who spoke out against the agenda as being anti-semetic.
As a disclaimer, I would like to state that the political and ideological views referred to in the above two queries are not shared by the author of this post.
I recently had the opportunity to hear Dr. Finkelstein give a lecture regarding Israel's brutal policy towards the Palestinians. What impressed me the most about this inspiring Jewish professor was his willingness, indeed his sense of duty, to challenge the dishonest and racist attitudes of his Zionist counterparts, by speaking the truth about Israel. At this lecture, he also announced the publication of his latest book, "The Holocaust Industry", and I made sure to order a copy in advance.
Finkelstein's main argument is drawn against the aggressive attempt by corrupt Jewish businessmen to capitalize on the image of Jewish suffering of the Holocaust, which is a reality in the United States and Israel. This abuse of history and of human emotion is actually driven by a more sinister agenda to achieve the political goals of Israel and certain diaspora Jews. It should offend any decent, sensible human being that the same people who demand sympathy for Holocaust victims are themselves brutal oppressors of the Palestinian people. Many shrewd Israeli businessmen and politicians have taken advantage of the limited sympathy from Europe by making false claims to money they never really owned. As a result, large numbers of actual Holocaust victims and their families do not receive money they so rightly deserve from European banks. Furthermore, a few sick people have actually romanticized the Holocaust, fabricating stories of suffering simply to boost profits from their books.
Of course, it should be expected that this book will arouse a considerable degree of hostility and emotionalism from the more fanatic loyalists of Zionism.
President George W. Bush is merely the puppet and "go-for boy" of powerful, behind-the-scenes, Marxist, neo-con, dual loyalist Jews. That's the conclusion of people in the know in Washington, D.C.
Bush's total cave-in to these alien, Jewish foreign policy thugs is also well-known in Europe and the Middle East, where top newspapers and magazines regularly talk about this and frequently name and unmask the very Jews who lurk behind the closed doors of the Bush White House.
Courage and Bravado Needed
In America, only a few alternative news sources have possessed the courage and bravado necessary to expose the Jewish neocons and dual loyalists who minutely control this nation's foreign policy and tell President Bush, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and National Security Advisor Condi Rice what to do. These few brave sources are taking incredible heat for their efforts. It's a dangerous and fearful thing to go up against the awesome power of the influential—and vicious—Jewish neocon substructure that secretly rules America.
Marxist, Trotskyites, and other Jewish Neocons