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President Trump Tweets Sensitive Surveillance Image of Iran

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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari




If only he would have shared a google earth image of him eating two scoops of ice cream, then we would have found the impeachment trifecta.


Or maybe worse than tweeting potentially classified material: wearing a tan suit and using some Dijon mustard.




posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 08:15 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: DanDanDat

Having a confirmed incident of something flying in the area at a confirmed position and time, means they can look over their equipment to see if anything possibly gave an indication they were being watched. If it doesn't, it still confirms that the equipment they're using is insufficient and creates an incentive for Russians who manufacture their stuff to further innovate.

Technology can always be defeated. Knowing what you need to defeat is a big factor in doing so.


So Russians had no incentive to innovate before they saw this picture?

How do you know that the picture represents technology that the Russians don't already have? Or technology that they don't know the US has? Or quiet frankly how do we even know the technology represented by the picture is even cutting edge US or Russian technology?

Your outrage requires a lot of assumptions.



posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

They now know we can take photographs. They had no idea we had that capability to defeat it!



posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:09 PM
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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

Well, considering Trump has had closed door meetings with Russian intelligence agents, they may have already had that information. Or maybe not. But, they definitely have it now.

This is an absolutely massive leak of intelligence capabilities. There is a reason we protect these types of images as strongly as we protect our nuclear codes. In many ways, having now confirmed that this came from a satellite is much worse than when the speculation was that due to the clarity it came from an aircraft because now there is a blueprint to begin reverse engineering that technology.
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posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 03:39 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: DanDanDat

This is an absolutely massive leak of intelligence capabilities. There is a reason we protect these types of images as strongly as we protect our nuclear codes. In many ways, having now confirmed that this came from a satellite is much worse than when the speculation was that due to the clarity it came from an aircraft because now there is a blueprint to begin reverse engineering that technology.


Not really, I agree with your line of reasoning but these devices are a lot more complicated than that. This isn't the raw picture the satellite captures or beams to earth - a lot of SigInt - tech goes from image capture device to the internals of the satellite, then these can be easily re-processed or manipulated on computers back on Earth to enhance the original image even further, which is the key to breaking the 'resolution limit' of satellites.

There's a couple of potential artifacts in the picture that may or may not be from using polarisation of light, seperate/parralell scanning of different light frequencies or multi- (i.e horizontal bars with one 'orangey' looking bar) scans - assuming the picture is a picture of a projection on a wall - this could also be because of the type of projector, manipulation of the shape/absorbtion of a projector screen or it could be legacy data from the camera but into whatever phone or device took the picture --- there's a hell of a lot of unknowns or areas for false information and false assumptions to be made on the part of any team trying to reverse engineer it. It'd cost Iran or Russia precious time and resources to try and back engineer and it isn't the original image or data the satellite took that they have to work from which is a poor blueprint.

If the shadows haven't been manipulated then it tracks back to a KH-11 satellite that was first launched in 1976 which have previously been used to take images of the Soviet Union and China available publicly since 1997. That's a big if though as these can easily be spoofed pre or post rendering.

Tl;dr - There's more advanced spy satellites out there and far too many unknowns and assumptions to be made that attempting to use this as a basis for back-engineering would take up more time, money and resources than just independently developing their own SigInt and image processing software that would be capable of the job.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 05:21 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: DanDanDat

This is an absolutely massive leak of intelligence capabilities. There is a reason we protect these types of images as strongly as we protect our nuclear codes. In many ways, having now confirmed that this came from a satellite is much worse than when the speculation was that due to the clarity it came from an aircraft because now there is a blueprint to begin reverse engineering that technology.


Let me reiterate...

How do you know that the picture represents technology that the Russians don't already have? Or technology that they don't know the US has? Or quiet frankly how do we even know the technology represented by the picture is even cutting edge US or Russian technology? 

Your outrage requires a lot of assumptions.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 05:48 AM
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...of course the man who can declassify anything he wants cannot break classification law. sorry.

Then there's this in the article:


Either way, Panda notes that a small redaction in the upper left-hand corner suggests the intelligence community had cleared the image for release by the president.


The whole outrage machine is broken. They've run out of stupid things to complain about so now they're just making things up. "you can't let the enemy know what your capabilities are or they can hide from them!" Really? They didn't know we had drones with super awesome camera's on them? Have they heard of hollywood? It's just so dumb.
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posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 06:09 AM
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why would they leave 2 vehicles on the launch pad?
did not blow up on launch pad!
cloud have been filmed by a drone, or some thing else.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 07:18 AM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

Because even if they do, others around the world don’t and they can use the information too.

And even if they did, it’s still a bad idea to confirm capabilities.
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posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 07:34 AM
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Keyhole satellites have been around that long, this one was about a decade old, they don’t all use hardware from the late 80s



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 07:46 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: DanDanDat

Because even if they do, others around the world don’t and they can use the information too.

And even if they did, it’s still a bad idea to confirm capabilities.


You are still assuming that this picture "confirms capabilities".



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

Any photo confirms something, maybe not the maximum we are capable of but it provides a minimum we are capable of.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 10:04 AM
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Add this to the hundreds of other news articles about Trump that are not and were never true.




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