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President Trump Tweets Sensitive Surveillance Image of Iran

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posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Perhaps the military commanders at the pentagon should be more careful in the future in how they brief trump.


Not sure I agree. This is actually a real issue that the intelligence community could be facing right now.

The military and our intelligence services cannot withhold information from the President, that the President needs to do their job. To do so would be a military coup and would result in our leaders making important decisions without having the best possible information. That is not an acceptable outcome.

On the other hand, if it is known that the President is leaking information such as this, and the Israeli information a couple years ago (not to mention many other instances), it is irresponsible to simply allow for that information to be leaked.

There are no easy answers here, neither outcome is something that we should condone, and a leader who would let either happen is not fit to lead.




posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: olaru12

The POTUS is Commander in Chief. He outranks every single military commander. There is nothing they can see that he can't.

Yes, the POTUS should be cognizant of the sensitivity of information given to him but he can do what he pleases.

As someone else pointed out and I already explained, this photo appears to be a photo taken with a camera-with-flash of something projected on a wall. Rooms where sensitive information is shared are called SCIFs and these rooms typically don't allow an photography or recording devices. So either this was purposely shared with some Propaganda intent or it was not delivered under SCIF procedures to begin with.



Or, the President is going into SCIF's with a cell phone. A cell phone that is largely considered to be insecure. This is not the first time where it has been implied the President brought one with him into a SCIF room. While just about anyone would agree that this is a very bad idea, the President can still do so if he wants.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Are you saying it's a secret the US military has that capability and the world is shocked?



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 04:35 PM
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I don't envy the people who have to walk a tightrope deciding what and what not to show a President with as little awareness as Donald Trump. I wouldnt be surprised if he took the picture of the sat photo with a Huawei phone.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 04:39 PM
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The president makes yet another bonehead move and all his supporters can come up with is orange man bad, reeeeee, move along nothing to see here. #Cult45 #stockholmsyndrome



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: conspiracy nut

Now they know we have capabilities they already knew we had!



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: conspiracy nut

...direct from #sourgrapes #cantacceptlosingelection



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Now they know that we know that they know. Geez to the moon Alice!



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

And Trump supporters can't accept they voted for a buffoon! LMAO



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Now they know that we know that they know. Geez to the moon Alice!

So basically nothing.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Aazadan

Are you saying it's a secret the US military has that capability and the world is shocked?


Maybe, maybe not... but generally you don't confirm you can do something unless there is a good reason to do so. And we did not have a good reason in this case.

If we are capable of getting these types of photos, why have we not released them to strengthen our case against the Iran nuclear deal? By releasing this, but not that... the US position has been undermined as it's admitting we don't have proof of the administrations current claims.

Furthermore, there are two ways this photo was taken.

The first is using a drone or plane that Iranian systems could not detect to take the photo. This would confirm much more advanced stealth technology, furthermore it would be an admission that we were violating their air space which is an act of war. This would be quite bad as under the terms of the Iran deal, which the other major powers are still agreeing to, they need to defend Iran in this case... and it would further justify Iran actually developing nuclear weapons to defend themselves.

The second is that we took this photo from a satellite. This is notable due to the resolution. It is at or slightly below the physical limitations on satellite photography on Earth. If it goes below it, it means we have found some sort of way around some laws of physics (given current knowledge, it should be impossible to obtain satellite images better than ~11cm, this photo is estimated to be 10cm, most nations are thought to operate satellites around the 15 to 20 cm range). This also has some pretty major implications.

Now, sometimes revealing capabilities is a good idea. It can avert a war, or allow you to obtain a decisive victory, or sometimes just save some lives. Revealing stealth helicopters when we killed Osama bin Laden was probably good. Maybe revealing the B2 during the Iraq war was good. Revealing Stuxnet was likely good. Revealing this for no gain whatsoever was not.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Nothing that was not already known was confirmed. These photos are used for various purposes, such as evidence influencing the UN. Everyone knows the US has this capability. The technologies involved are the secret, how we do it not that we can do it, and those have not been compromised.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Not true. As this photo is higher resolution than what is physically possible given the limitations of satellites it adds a lot of information as to how we obtained it. It is highly likely an aircraft was violating Iranian airspace. That has all sorts of implications.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

It is not a secret we can get photos of this resolution. The secret is the technology.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 06:14 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Aazadan

It is not a secret we can get photos of this resolution. The secret is the technology.


And how do you think countries learn to reverse engineer or defeat it?

Answer: By looking at the output from it. That is why we do not release this information to basically anyone.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Aazadan

It is not a secret we can get photos of this resolution. The secret is the technology.


And how do you think countries learn to reverse engineer or defeat it?

Answer: By looking at the output from it. That is why we do not release this information to basically anyone.

Sorry, you need to source that this photo will not give our enemies the capability to recreate the technology that took it. You are simply making stuff up. These photos already get released. Our enemies already can get access to them. They are used at the UN to bolster our positions.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 06:32 PM
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People need to stop listening to James Clapper and John Brennan, and stop acknowledging anybody else repeating Clapper's and Brennan's speculations and BS 😎 😃



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 06:37 PM
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WOW! Those are nearly as good as the published photos from the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis... you know, when that OTHER Socialist Government put Medium Range ICBM's in Cuba.

WHAT A JOKE.

Rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

It's possible there is a reason to this that we don't understand here on the outside, looking in.

It's possible this was a way to tell Iran we know where every launch pad is, where every bunker is, where every lab is, how to jam your GPS, fly over you unnoticed, take pics from angles you can't hide from, so if you do anything nuclear we will be able to strike you where it hurts before you even know we are there.



I'm still not convinced this resolution is anything that wasn't expected from the new level of satellites built in the last decade. I am also not sure this was actually 10cm to begin with. Some folks say 20cm, others say it could be multipass then computer combined. Heck It might be from a drone or spyplane or even hacked Iran Intel pics.... We really don't know do we?

Like you said earlier the President does what he does and has a lot of leeway to do so.

He might have a really good reason; then again it might have just been released because he could.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

About the only thing they can gather from sat image is time of day it was taken. That could also be easily manipulated in post to make it look like it was taken at certain times of day when it wasn't.



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