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Shooting a Man on 5th Ave: A Short Open Letter to President Donald Trump

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posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth



The left can never be believed or trusted. Ever.


No one has a monopoly on good ideas.

We live in a universe where hierarchical structures are the norm. From the natural hierarchies of the animal kingdom to the imposed hierarchies of a corporation. We need them so as to ensure that hierarchies of competence can exist and help society. But those structures can become tyrannical and detrimental to societies and for this reason, we need the left. They provide counter-balance in that they seek to spread both the power and pooled resources of societal hierarchies. Without this balance, societies CANNOT WORK.

What we don't need is Marxist ideology. Right now the American left is awash in Marxist ideology and identitarianism.




posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Even as I have voted for for third party candidates more than from either party, and as much as I would still like to see a solid third party, there remains for me a big question.

In order for a third party candidate to arise enough to break the back of the two party stranglehold it could only come about through media attention. Resting aside the notion of media bias, I don't know as I would trust a candidate brought to our attention by that media. it's my contention that more than political bias, mass media caters mass culture, to pop culture. How to avoid a third party candidate brought to us by pop culture would be a major task.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire




it's my contention that more than political bias, mass media caters mass culture, to pop culture. How to avoid a third party candidate brought to us by pop culture would be a major task.


Remember the Tparty? That grass roots 3rd party effort? Co Opted by billionaires the GOP and Fox news.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I see what you're saying... But honestly cable subscription is at a low point. A lot of older and younger generations alike aggregate from online sources these days. So if Ross Perot had a fighting chance in hell, now is the time for a third or no party candidate.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: TerryMcGuire




it's my contention that more than political bias, mass media caters mass culture, to pop culture. How to avoid a third party candidate brought to us by pop culture would be a major task.


Remember the Tparty? That grass roots 3rd party effort? Co Opted by billionaires the GOP and Fox news.





I see your point, and it has merit, but they got hijacked just like the left did with Obama.

I know people here will act like he was a socialist pussy, but he took the worse things from the right and the left.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Here is a thought

What is better

Hillary winning and the corruption being kept under wraps

Or trump winning and the corruption being made public, and no one gets punished for it?

Sure now the public knows about the corruption

Do they demand justice?

Nope, most don’t care or believe the spin from the media

So now the corrupt people know this amount of corruption can be swallowed by the people, why not add a little more



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: olaru12
Yup

Remember the rebelliousness of Rock and Roll, of Rap? Co opted by record companies and the advertising industry. Yup...



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker
Interesting observation. Guess my age is showing.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 10:20 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: TerryMcGuire




it's my contention that more than political bias, mass media caters mass culture, to pop culture. How to avoid a third party candidate brought to us by pop culture would be a major task.


Remember the Tparty? That grass roots 3rd party effort? Co Opted by billionaires the GOP and Fox news.





I see your point, and it has merit, but they got hijacked just like the left did with Obama.

I know people here will act like he was a socialist pussy, but he took the worse things from the right and the left.


To real leftists, socialists, Obama was a great dissapointment. He did what he could to save the capitalist system from complete failure.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 10:25 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: CriticalStinker
Interesting observation. Guess my age is showing.



Only because you're wise and kind Terry. You also have something that many don't, and that's self awareness. You're constantly cognizant of where you stand while empathizing why other people see things the way they do.

We may not agree on certain issues Terry. But I admire that, very much.

You keep doing you, don't change a thing.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 10:29 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

He was a pandering politician. I didn't like his platform, I agreed with very little, but there are few things I dislike more than someone willing to tow a line at any cost.

The Obama's are on track to be a billionaire family. A discraced admin from both sides of the aisle.

That should be telling. I saw it before the vote (by luck as young as I was). I took a gamble this time around because through my eyes it was the only option I had. I think we're seeing the same thing on a different spectrum.



posted on Aug, 30 2019 @ 09:54 AM
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I am glad I am an old dude .
At least I have seen this country in the "Good Old Days"
Feel sorry for these yung uns
They ain't got much left.

"Are we rolling downhill like a snowball headed for Hell ?
With no kinda chance for the flag or the liberty bell? "
Merle Haggard




posted on Aug, 30 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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And you are always too kind to my ramblings Stinker.

When I was a junior in high school we had a civics class. At one point in the class our teacher was going to have us do debates. I got all excited. Hoo boy, I wanted to stand with someone else in the front of the class and debate which ever topic of the day was import at that time.

Our teacher gave us a lesson in the civics book to read for a week and to come prepared to debate the one of the five issues that were laid out in the book. So, I read it and read it and read it trying to take in the essence of both sides of all the arguments and internalize them so that I would be prepared to truly discuss and argue which ever side of the issue I came down on. This to me was like it would be my admission into adulthood, expressing my own opinions and positions rather than just filling in the blanks kind of stuff.

So the first day of the class debates came and the first two were chosen to stand at the front of the class room and debate. As I sat at my desk I was rapt to see what two of the smarter students would debate their issue. Each stood there and basically repeated the arguments outlined in the text, tossing back and forth only what they had read over the previous nights. Nothing more, nothing added, nothing original. The class applauded and the teacher gave them A's

I sat there wondering, '' is this all any of it is" . "Is this all anyone can do is to repeat what has already been recited or read in a book? That was really a flash point for me Stinker. I sat there and watched the pride those two students took from their debate and just thought, wow....

At that point I decided, why I can't really figure, that I would never try to pass off information, words, ah, positions knowledge that had just come from a book with no deeper spirit behind it other than what a tape recorder could do. I would only talk in discussion about what I knew, not what others knew and I was only repeating.

Well, smart guy Terry, that was much easier said than done. Over the next few weeks I came to realize that really, I knew nothing, really. So I began that journey of discovery trying to find what I really knew. Down I went into that rabbit hole of existentialism, Down. I became reclusive because noting was coming up from my depths. But then I hit upon it. All I could really say I knew was that I thought. That there seemed to be a process within me that was at least thinking. I '' knew' that I was. And that thinking became the root of my climb back out of that hole.

Two years later in college and two years of deeper thinking, which of course left me quite isolated from others and feeling as if I could be quite mad, I took a philosophy class. In that class we of course read about Rene Descartes. His cogito knocked me out of my chair. I knew I was not mad because this famous guy, this genius of modern philosophy and mathematics had done what I had done way before me. Hoopla.

If you have read this far Stinker I guess you might like this next part as well so I will add it in to this story.
Around that same time I had come to a barrier in my discovery process.That barrier was that I could not make the leap from knowing that I existed, I mean really knowing, to knowing with the same depth of comprehension that others existed as well. Are you following this? I mean, how was I to know that everyone else was not just a figment of my own thought processes or just illusion. Can you see here how off the charts I was?

I may never have made it out of that hole I had dug myself into had it not been for one night in our bedroom with my brother. He was two years younger and nearly as smart as me, ha ha. We began to talk, really talk about life and personal thoughts and stuff and I found myself engaging in my first really adult conversation. It's hard to describe how much this meant to me. We went on for a couple of hours.

Finally at one point I had to take a leak. I got up and told him I would be right back. As I opened the door I was overcome with fear. That old fear that everything outside of myself might only be just an illusion, a mind trick of my own making and that should I leave the room, my brother might just pop out of existence until I returned at which point he would pop back into existence to resume the charade of life.

I sat back down and he asked me what I was doing. I explained to him what I was going through, that now, having really met my own brother and bonded as we had, I was in deep fear that there was the possibility that he was only an illusion and that I did not want to take the chance that should he just pop out of existence while I was gone, what assurances did I have that he would pop back when I came back from the loo. He said not to worry, that he too had often had this fear about other people being illusions and that he would do his very best to not pop out while I was down the hall.

So I went, trepidaciously. As I came back to the room hoping that he would still be there, I opened the door. There he was stark naked standing on top of his clothes dresser with his arms spread and one leg in the air in the pose of the ''Winged Victory'' statue. Existentially I leapt.

Not in my wildest imaginings, from nowhere within myself could I have anticipated this statue. This was nor could it be anything other than not only my brother, but the entirety of existence laughing at me shouting , ''it's real, it's real''...

So I went from ''I am'' on into the ''I and 'Thou''.

That was over 50 years ago and this is the first time I have thought back on that night in years. So thank you for that.

As well, you say to me ''You also have something that many don't, and that's self awareness. You're constantly cognizant of where you stand while empathizing why other people see things the way they do'' I want you to know Stinker, how much that means to me. So thanks.



posted on Aug, 30 2019 @ 10:41 AM
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It looks like I'm not the only one. Clearly I have a lot of contemporaries on ATS. But even the Trump supporting corner of the Twitterverse is questioning Trump on his AG and the decisions not to prosecute clearly criminal activity.

Trump's tweet on the "fairness" of AG Barr being a factor in the non-prosecution of Comey is just so disingenuous.



posted on Aug, 30 2019 @ 11:05 AM
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Mine's against T&C so I PMed it to you. That and we can continue there without drifting projectvxn's thread... Which ironically is a story of introspection itself, something I always love.



posted on Aug, 30 2019 @ 11:08 AM
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You definitely do have a lot of contemporaries here. ATS is a bastion for us, I think.

Ive been advocating for decentralization for over a decade now, and I really think that even as a general concept, it could massively change the US for the better.

What I like about Yang is he seems to be the only one talking about this sort of thing. And, if you are anything like me, I believe these subjects are of the absolute utmost importance.

What I dont like about Yang is what I have perceived as a slow slide into identitarianism. I also do not feel at all secure with him and the 2nd. Maybe Im just not a fan of the solutions he is touting in general, even if I think the problems need to be discussed and addressed.

As far as I can tell though.. No one else has the presence of mind to bring up any of it at all. But, when it comes to a choice between the main options.. Trump is going to have to do a helluva lot worse for me to see someone like Biden, Warren, or Bernie as viable choices to hold power in any capacity whatsoever, much less the presidency.



posted on Aug, 30 2019 @ 03:25 PM
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It's like I could have written that post myself. Spot on.

Decentralized economics is very important to me. You characterization of Yang is also spot on as I believe he has been engaging in identitarianism here and there, and doesn't seem interested in listening to gun rights people. I think this has something to do with DNC handlers feeding him strategy. Yang is still a democrat, after all.

Honestly, Trump would have to be pretty derelict to get me to vote for one of those idiots the DNC put out (I do not include Yang in this). If Trump ends up just being another swamp enabler then I want to try to talk to a person like Yang as a potential alternative, but that comes with caveats as well; the identitarianism and some of his meathead comments as well.



posted on Aug, 31 2019 @ 02:17 PM
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Back in high school, my dad sat me down to have a "talk." It was a long one, and one we revisited quite often, but the jist was that he said simply that working towards ideal is critically important to the progress of our civilization, but if just expect them to happen (or worse, try to legislate them into being), all we end up doing is deceiving ourselves that things progressed when all we actually did was shuffle the pieces. My eventual contribution to the topic was that this historically "typical" pattern directly impedes the very thing it is supposed to address.

Anyway, that was when I started to actually work on the real world "things" that would realistically forge a path towards my ideals. Along the way, my dad encouraged and helped me. Always keeping me on the point that keeping technology apolitical is.. natural and beneficial. He would say things like "Im a Christian conservative, but if you bring a Star Trek replicator to the market.. You bet your butt Im getting one!"

But..

"If you try to sell me on legislation that will require a replicator in every home to "solve world hunger," without actually having the technology, I will resist that scam til the end of my days."

At the time (almost 20 years ago.. oof..), I didnt realize just how relevant and prescient that thought process was, and is. Never moreso than in modern times, because of the communication/tech framework, but it sure aint new.

Decentralization of infrastructure like our food supply allows us to address multiple problems at once, and we finally have the technology to make it happen without the isolation that can come with decentralized structures. It also has the benefit of creating a genuinely stable, undisruptable food supply for the nation. No more worries about weather, mass crop deaths, terrorism, etc. Decentralization, in modern context, seems to intrinsically foster security and stability to an extreme degree.

I think one of the biggest conspiracies in history is happening right now, and that is the narrative that globalism is synonymous with centralization. Now, I would have to say its true when not considering modern technology, but with it? We can build deeply interconnected and beneficial "globalism" through completely decentralized structures. Even saying it right now, after years of working on pertinent tech, it sounds contradictory. Its a simple premise though: you can increase sovereignty simultaneously with interconnectedness.

By making the two terms synonymous, planted on a bed of generations old perspectives, spawns a situation where most will either cheer on centralization in all its forms (as long as its marketed as feel-good) or, vehemently oppose it. It makes it difficult for alternative, modern approaches to breach through the well established "foliage."

And, we can probably guess why the "centralization or nothing" narrative is so strongly pushed by the leading figures and power structures in our society. Sadly, they would benefit from decentralization and leveraging modern tools just as much as anyone, but it wouldnt be in the way they are used to.. So, they are just as beholden to the Cultural Story as anyone else.

My concern is that the repercussions from playing out this story as we have since the Neolithic Revolution will be different than ever before, with the consequence of *total (mostly) worldwide, societal collapse* being a very, very real possibility.

I think that with any new, novel tool or process, it is so important to introduce it to society in a way that highlights its benefits. However, we have long adhered to a process where it tends to filter down from a weaponized, military application.

Meh, probably too long of a post.. I really need to stop writing posts in the downtime between doing other things. I think it makes them a bit disconnected, and way too long for most. Ah well.. On this topic at least, we are dealing with such massive systems that its difficult to distill it down without losing important facets.


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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 06:51 PM
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You're a nutjob.



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