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Boris Johnson asks Queen to suspend Parliament

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posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: doobydoll

Parliament voting to take No Deal off the table just played into the hands of the EU. It took away our only real negotiating point.

There is a complete disconnect between Parliament and what the people voted for. That is what is undemocratic here, not Boris having the balls to try to scupper the undemocratic plans of the EU toadying Remainers who still can't get over the fact that they lost the vote.

It is the Remainers that have tried to use Parliament to block Brexit at every turn. It pleases me no end that they have now been given a taste of their own medicine and to listen to them squealing about it.


If our only real negotiating point is to inflict far more harm on ourselves than the other side then maybe we shouldn't be in that position in the first place.

Pretty sad that you see this as about getting one over people rather than what is the right thing to do.


Not at all. You are forgetting - the people voted to leave.

I don't think that you understand the point of using No Deal to negotiate a Deal.




posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82

I don't think that the Conservatives exactly have a monopoly on lying.

At least their leader is not a traitor who supported the IRA's "armed struggle".*

*Murdering and maiming innocent men, women and children.


Aye that is true they dont have a monopoly

who was supporting the IRA ?

Anyways no like the British army didnt kill innocent men women and children during the troubles
or before

So one hand you have a terrorist organisation fighting for freedom against the power of a Global super power
who was terrorising who ?
I digress , its easy to call them a traitor , but the murders for the crown were many in number.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: doobydoll

Parliament voting to take No Deal off the table just played into the hands of the EU. It took away our only real negotiating point.

There is a complete disconnect between Parliament and what the people voted for. That is what is undemocratic here, not Boris having the balls to try to scupper the undemocratic plans of the EU toadying Remainers who still can't get over the fact that they lost the vote.

It is the Remainers that have tried to use Parliament to block Brexit at every turn. It pleases me no end that they have now been given a taste of their own medicine and to listen to them squealing about it.


If our only real negotiating point is to inflict far more harm on ourselves than the other side then maybe we shouldn't be in that position in the first place.

Pretty sad that you see this as about getting one over people rather than what is the right thing to do.


Not at all. You are forgetting - the people voted to leave.

I don't think that you understand the point of using No Deal to negotiate a Deal.


But risking a no deal , to negotiate a deal is stupid , we could have just done better in the 3 years we had before this "no deal " scenario was the last resort



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: sapien82




who was supporting the IRA ?


Corbyn and McDonell:

www.telegraph.co.uk...




So one hand you have a terrorist organisation fighting for freedom against the power of a Global super power


By bombing and murdering it's innocent civilians?



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: sapien82




But risking a no deal , to negotiate a deal is stupid , we could have just done better in the 3 years we had before this "no deal " scenario was the last resort


Leave means leave. With or without a deal.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82




who was supporting the IRA ?


Corbyn and McDonell:

www.telegraph.co.uk...




So one hand you have a terrorist organisation fighting for freedom against the power of a Global super power


By bombing and murdering it's innocent civilians?


Aye mate they kill on both sides .

I dont agree that politicians of any nation should openly support terror groups , but then again I dont think politicians should support the military .



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:34 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82




But risking a no deal , to negotiate a deal is stupid , we could have just done better in the 3 years we had before this "no deal " scenario was the last resort


Leave means leave. With or without a deal.


AYe I get that we are leaving I have no issue with that , but everyone was under the impression that leave meant with something for our trouble .

Seems now only people who will get something for their trouble , is the people who orchestrated this whole show



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: sapien82




I dont think politicians should support the military .


I think that the majority of British people support our Armed Services. Politicians - not so much.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:37 AM
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AYe I get that we are leaving I have no issue with that , but everyone was under the impression that leave meant with something for our trouble .


Well, we'd get our sovereignty back, our own laws back, get free from the shackles of Brussels' Eurocracy, etc.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:37 AM
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Is corbyn a marxist through and through? , then if that is the case then he truly deep down wants the end of the Uk and Great Britian , as he will know full well that for any socialist workers republic to operate properly the british empire needs to end

just as john maclean said in 1920 , then it is no wonder he had links to the IRA since supporting them to fight the british would have likely caused upset and maybe brought an end to the British government.

just speculation though



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:40 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82




I dont think politicians should support the military .


I think that the majority of British people support our Armed Services. Politicians - not so much.


then the majority of Brits are bloodthirsty , I dont support the military one bit , never have and never will .
young people sent off to do the bidding of men who dont care about them one tiny quantum particle
so they can be used as cannon fodder . So they can help strip foreign nations of their assets and set up proxies
so intelligence assets can be deployed so we can police the world in paranoia

People support suffering and death , then so be it , its on them and their conscience , but deep down its wrong and we all know it



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:41 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82




AYe I get that we are leaving I have no issue with that , but everyone was under the impression that leave meant with something for our trouble .


Well, we'd get our sovereignty back, our own laws back, get free from the shackles of Brussels' Eurocracy, etc.


Doesnt the UK already have all of those things though?



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: sapien82




Is corbyn a marxist through and through?


To be honest I have never looked too deeply into the finer points of distinction between Marxism and Trotskyism. Probably fair to say that JC is a bit of a swivel eyed lefty and just leave it at that.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:43 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: doobydoll

Parliament voting to take No Deal off the table just played into the hands of the EU. It took away our only real negotiating point.

There is a complete disconnect between Parliament and what the people voted for. That is what is undemocratic here, not Boris having the balls to try to scupper the undemocratic plans of the EU toadying Remainers who still can't get over the fact that they lost the vote.

It is the Remainers that have tried to use Parliament to block Brexit at every turn. It pleases me no end that they have now been given a taste of their own medicine and to listen to them squealing about it.


Anyone negotiating sincerely in their employer's interests would never agree to giving up their ace card. Very bad move.

I detest the tories and especially so under Cameron and May's leadership, I'm 62 and I've never seen so much misery and poverty and hostility inflicted on so many in so little time. I was never ashamed of my country until Cameron and May. When BJ became PM I thought things just couldn't get more ridiculous for this country. I actually laughed lol.

But I like some of what Boris is saying so far. The fact that the msm and globalists have suddenly jumped up in a red-faced fist-shaking rage and begun a relentless attack on him has got my attention and piqued my interest in hearing more of what he has to say. If he's upsetting that lot then he must be doing summat right.

So far, for me, Boris isn't fitting the usual 'vile selfish callous tory' stereotype. He seems a bit erm, different. I don't know lol. We'll see how he fares.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

No, we are not free from the shackles of the EU. Hence why the majority of folk voted to leave it which was rather the point of the referendum in the first place.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: doobydoll

I have never liked Boris personally but you have to give the man credit for sticking to his guns about leaving and not being afraid to take flak for it.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

Poor sods canny even get a council house when the come home missing there minds and limbs ffs!

Send the bankers to fight, see how many wars we have.

What the bet it's none?



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 09:02 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: sapien82

Poor sods canny even get a council house when the come home missing there minds and limbs ffs!

Send the bankers to fight, see how many wars we have.

What the bet it's none?


With Fire and with Sword, here come the men of war , the world must be coming to an end!

They massacre the young, to make them hold their tongue,
Ah the world must be coming to an end.

Aye , bankers and politicians , lets see them fight to protect their assets , not have the young people do it for them.

Funny that its mostly the working class that sign up to "defend" under patriotism or poverty
and the rich #s who get the officers roles , reflects society perfectly


edit on 29-8-2019 by sapien82 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: doobydoll

I have never liked Boris personally but you have to give the man credit for sticking to his guns about leaving and not being afraid to take flak for it.


No , working for government you only get credit for going beyond your duties , he has only done his job and nothing more , its his job to carry out these duties . So dont give him credit for doing his job.

Do you credit anyone else for simply showing up to work ?

For my "pay related bonus" I need to show exemplary behaviour and carry out tasks which are above and beyond my contracted role .
I work for gov.uk , that is their policy on work related bonus.

So naw , nae #in credit for boris for simply doing his job.



posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: doobydoll

Parliament voting to take No Deal off the table just played into the hands of the EU. It took away our only real negotiating point.

There is a complete disconnect between Parliament and what the people voted for. That is what is undemocratic here, not Boris having the balls to try to scupper the undemocratic plans of the EU toadying Remainers who still can't get over the fact that they lost the vote.

It is the Remainers that have tried to use Parliament to block Brexit at every turn. It pleases me no end that they have now been given a taste of their own medicine and to listen to them squealing about it.


If our only real negotiating point is to inflict far more harm on ourselves than the other side then maybe we shouldn't be in that position in the first place.

Pretty sad that you see this as about getting one over people rather than what is the right thing to do.


Not at all. You are forgetting - the people voted to leave.

I don't think that you understand the point of using No Deal to negotiate a Deal.


It's a bit like trying to negotiate using yourself as a hostage. Not in my view a very effective strategy.



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