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Trumps Loans had Russian co-signers

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posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
Had a quick look around and couldn't see this posted.

Everyone knows Trump is resisting releasing his tax returns and Deutsche Bank have recently revealed that they are in possession of said tax returns in recent court filings. We also know that Deutsche Bank were the only bank that would loan Trump money due to his history of bankruptcy. Now sources close to Deutsche Bank have, if reports are to be believed, revealed that there are Russians who co-signed on those loans.


source close to Deutsche Bank says Trump’s tax returns show he pays very little income tax and, more importantly, that his loans have Russian co-signers. If true, that explains every kind word Trump has ever said about Russia and Putin.


Lawrence O'Donnell

If true, I guess this would go a long way towards explaining Trumps reluctance to reveal any details on his finances. Given Juniors past admission that the Trump Organisation has all the financing it needs out of Russia this new disclosure does have some grounding in the truth.



No one cares...We will elect Trump again in 2020...The witch hunt is over...




posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 10:34 AM
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If anything, Trump has been a thorn in Putin's side for three years, while the dems have been actively trying to turn the U.S. into a socialist country. Yep, it's definitely clown world all right



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 10:44 AM
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Just for a moment let us assume it is true.

Would die-hard Trump supporters even care?



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: GrandSchemeOfThings

Of course not. But it does go to show where their moral and ethical compass are pointed towards.

When a twisted form of social-neo- mccarthyism started to run rampant on the internet it really does go to show where most people stand in this crazy political circus.



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: RexKramerPRT

So your suggestion is that Trump's tax returns show he lied on official disclosure forms? The tax returns that the IRS has? The IRS that was weaponized against Republicans under Obama?

So you want me to believe that the tax returns that Obama's IRS has has proof Trump lied and is laundering money for Russians, and Obama's IRS chose not to do anything about it?

Just want to make sure I understand what you are saying.



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:17 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Middleoftheroad

Well. The whole point of money laundering is to avoid those agencies. When you have big wig oligarchs paying double and triple the amount for a condo in one of trumps condos it raises some red flags.

Cite? Who is saying oligarchs bought condos at above-market rates?



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: strongfp

A international businessman has ties to Russia .

That’s not a big surprise .



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: RexKramerPRT

all Russians are "oligarchs"



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

Co signing for money requires some sort of agreement. If the bank in question is known to launder Russian money... where does it go then? Isnt it a little suspicious?
I've had conversations on this topic before. It's a rather loose ended theory that he is part of a money laundering ring, but there does seem to be shady business going.

Deutsche Bank is a legitimate business and a very global one at that. Whatever they did to break a law came back to haunt them but I wouldn't base the whole bank on that. I'm not making excuses for them but I won't put them in a category of a crooked bank (no more so than any other, that is).

The OP is nothing but a headline. The link goes to a twitter feed which is nothing more than opinions by people. It would be no different if someone sourced "news" from one of our threads on ATS. For example, I could Tweet this: "Proof positive that Deutsche Bank is total corrupt and in collaboration with Donald Trump, according to an anonymous source (goes by "strongfp" on ATS)". CNN will probably pick it up.

Can I have another scoop of ice cream, please?



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: strongfp

A international businessman has ties to Russia .

That’s not a big surprise .



The big surprise would be if Russians co-signed his loans.... Which given MSM track record the last few years, is very questionable with unnamed sources.

If it was true, it would bring up some interesting questions, because the credit lines in question are (I assume) multiple loans amounting in a few billion.

But I doubt this will stay unknown for long. I'm sure we'll eventually find out one way or the other.



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:31 AM
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I thought this was common knowledge? Maybe I'm wrong..we'll see I guess!
edit on 28-8-2019 by vonclod because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

I believe the original story came from a MSM anchor's unnamed source. While the MSM has gotten many stories wrong in the past, it's still different than just quoting a tweet or an ATS thread.



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:34 AM
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Actually, I just realized something: Unless you're talking about a newly-constructed property, the building owner doesn't normally profit from a condo sale. The person who gets the money is the guy selling the condo.

As long as whoever it is pays their association fees, Trump is a third party to any sale of a condo in Trump Tower.



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: GrandSchemeOfThings
Just for a moment let us assume it is true.

Would die-hard Trump supporters even care?

I can't speak for all of them but this one would care. I don't want corrupt politicians in our government. Let's lock up all of them that break laws. But, someone will have to stay behind to turn out the lights.



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: GrandSchemeOfThings
Just for a moment let us assume it is true.

Would die-hard Trump supporters even care?

I can't speak for all of them but this one would care. I don't want corrupt politicians in our government. Let's lock up all of them that break laws. But, someone will have to stay behind to turn out the lights.


I voted for Trump, but at this point in the game I wouldn't label myself a supporter, he's still gotta earn my support based off of some promises.

That said, I would only care depending on the name(s) of induvidual(s) and or companies who consigned, and the nature of that agreement.

If it's one guy who has a place in Trump Tower, and they work out a deal where if he defaults, they get the tower... Cool, whatever.

If it's Rosneft on "good will", I think it makes the waters a bit more muddier, and I'd like for someone to get to the bottom of it.



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari




posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:41 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The IRS are not the only people who have his tax returns. Deutsche Bank have recently informed the court they have copies. The tax returns are not the story here.

The loan documents co-signed by a Russian are.



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: funbobby

Cute, but all he has is a big mouth, only thing he is chocking is his chicken




posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

I can't see why they would, seems like leftists are the ones obsessed with what goes on in the president's bed.



posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 12:01 PM
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Here is an oligarch Trump has sold property to in the past, Dmitry Rybolovlev. I have no idea what market conditions are like in Palm Beach but it seems this one, on the face of it, didn't seem too great an investment for the Russian.


“What do I have to do with Russia?” he replied to reporters’ questions at a press conference in Doral last summer. “You know the closest I came to Russia, I bought a house a number of years ago in Palm Beach … for $40 million, and I sold it to a Russian for $100 million.”



It’s a tale that’s now coming to a sad end: That $100 million mansion, once the most expensive home in America, has become its most expensive tear-down. Not a single trace of the compound remains, and soon even its address will disappear: The 6.3-acre estate on which it stood has been broken into three parcels, and one of them has already sold.


Donald Trump and the mansion that no one wanted. Then came a Russian fertilizer king



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