posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 12:00 PM
a reply to: UKTruth
So, to some degree we agree on Trump.
But I see from your mentioning of the 1940s that ''your'' ancestors beat down ''my'' ancestors who were not evil but rather working class people who
were fed up with the wealth and power that were garnered for the rich off of the backs of the working class. My grandfather was a dock worker in San
Francisco during the General Strike of 34 . Both he and my grandmother voted for Eugene Debs and his presidential campaign while he was in prison.
They were good and proud people who had been raised by parents who had known the excesses and consumption of the Robber Barrons of the previous
century and understood that people like that would never give up their power over society with out the binding together of the working class.
They had witnessed first hand the Crash of 29 brought on by the unregulated spending frenzy of the market and the poverty that came in it's wake. It
was not socialism that caused that crash but rather the unfettered excesses of capitalist selfishness.
So while you may see my ancestors as ''evil'' I see yours as regular people who likely suffered just as much as did mine yet took their oppression a
bit more meekly. But maybe maybe not.
To your notion that defeating Progressivism being a common cause for people who actually care about humanity I would say that this is true. People who
believe that progressivism is the problem. There are likewise people who care about humanity that find that defeating the soul killing aspects of the
status quo and those who defend it, conservatives is the only way to serve humanity.
I subscribe to neither. I have, in the past, subscribed to both philosophies. But now, neither.
From your standpoint it appears to me that the Democrats are on a dangerous path. Well, to me not so much, This push to more progressive postures is
not new. The rising of progressive or very liberal candidates back in the 60s and 70s petered out as some of the conservative values turned to
neo-liberalism which is not liberal or socialist but rather just conservative capitalism growing up and developing new markets to exploit among
previously marginalized peoples. The opening of new markets created jobs and the early 70s ''Greening of America'' turned out to not be the liberal
cause it was feared to be. Just more markets and more consumers.
So, having been a fundimentalist and having been a Marxist myself, I don't see Obama and Clinton and all those others in tha gang as socialists, just
neo-liberals doing their best to keep capitalism alive and thriving here in the US and around the world. The threat of One World Order or
Globalization is not a socialist threat, but rather the logical extension of world domination by the forces of capitalist corporations. These wealthy
dudes who own these huge combines of services and products and media control? Not socialist at all but rather quite a bit more like the Robber Barons