New Chinese Space Station Makes Progress

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

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The piece of the ISS is NOT American.

It's Russian.

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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: anzha

Yeah , I Wonder Where they " Stole " the Technology to Even Build it ? Bought it from the Russians or US Maybe ? ........Hmm..........

Don't be silly, information transfer isn't theft. If the Chinese can be accused of stealing technology, what about those Americans!

Have you heard of Operation Paperclip what was that, what was its purpose?

a reply to: chr0naut


Operation Paperclip? LOL , those Nazi's were Very Happy to Help the U.S. Space Program . Better than Death by Hanging For War Crimes I Guess.....

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: chr0naut


Operation Paperclip? LOL , those Nazi's were Very Happy to Help the U.S. Space Program . Better than Death by Hanging For War Crimes I Guess.....

I don't think any of the Paperclip scientists were being charged with war crimes. If anything, some of them were (quietly) partially responsible for the downfall of Nazism.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
It's their education system is light years ahead of the United States.

I don't know the US education system, but from what I have been told by Chinese, the Chinese university system is quantity rather than quality, and schooling is learning by rote, rather than thinking. The latter helps you pass exams, the former just provides a minimum standard into the workplace.

The problem with Chinese education is that you don't want the population too educated. Education breeds an understanding of the world and free-thinking, and will thus increase malcontents against the Chinese dictatorship. You just need to look at Hong Kong to see the problems an educated population can bring you!

On the Chinese space programme. Good for them. But how much of this is just jingoism and pandering to crass nationalism? Where’s the hard science and the ground-breaking stuff?

Hint - how many Chinese universities are in the top 50 worldwide? How many are British or American? Times University Rankings 2018

a reply to: anzha

It is becoming increasingly more difficult to post a thread on ATS and not have it derailed by these "yihaa, if it's not american it can't be good" crowd...

I think it's sad Americans are excluded from the project because space doesn't seem like the right place for politics and I would have rather see them onboard but I understand it.

Peace

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: dfnj2015

Chinese engineering is the best in the World right now. It's not just the quantity of scientists and engineers. It's their education system is light years ahead of the United States. This is clearly China's century.

Chinese probably stole it from us - like they stole all their technology from us and the Russians

You guys...

Sure the Chinese had to steal your 1960's round tin can technology............they were originally going for a square tin can design.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: anzha

It is becoming increasingly more difficult to post a thread on ATS and not have it derailed by these "yihaa, if it's not american it can't be good" crowd...

I think it's sad Americans are excluded from the project because space doesn't seem like the right place for politics and I would have rather see them onboard but I understand it.

Peace

They're excluded because of a ban on sharing technology, we have the same technology, no need to join any program.

Your naive views on space is cute, its the next domain for WARFARE.

You shouldn't talk about derailment since you troll and do it yourself.

a reply to: Arnie123

Triggered?



Peace

a reply to: Arnie123

Your naive views on space is cute, its the next domain for WARFARE.

Are the servers still up?

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: Arnie123

Triggered?

Peace

Not like you in the other thread, here, simply engaging your naivete 😘

🥃😚

Truth

a reply to: Arnie123

Now you are acting like you never heard of COPUOS...but that would be ignorant, right?

Peace

a reply to: anzha

Cute. They sound like they are almost at the stage the Americans and Russians were 20 years ago when they put the first three modules of the ISS together in space, making the ISS ready for habitation.

Fast forward to today, and the Americans and some of their international partners are designing the Lunar Gateway, which is a space station that is planned to orbit the Moon and provide an orbital base of operations for long-term lunar exploration (although NASA isn't calling a space station, since it will not be continuously manned, but it will be able to be manned for up to 60 days at a time) :

www.nasa.gov...

Wikipedia Article

The contract for the first module of the Lunar Gateway - the power/propulsion module - has been awarded to Maxar Technologies of Colorado. The power/propulsion module will act as the core piece of the Lunar Gateway, and other modules, including habitation modules, would be added over time.

Lunar Gateway:

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: Arnie123

Now you are acting like you never heard of COPUOS...but that would be ignorant, right?

Peace

Lmfao, a facade? Really?

"There is a school of thought that says that continuing to treat space as a sanctuary free from armed conflict is kind of a fool's errand, that every other arena for human activity — land, sea, air — has been weaponized, and the idea that you can indefinitely keep space from being weaponized is naive."

(Space.com et al)

You're a bit late with the conventional thinking breh, this is ATS, get with the times.

#Truth

a reply to: Arnie123

 militarising space is not the same as weaponising space.

Your avatar suggests a "pew pew yay 'murica" attitude but you have to consider the physics of it all. Short term gain of pew-pew'ing enemy satellites are great but the debris field will leave it useless for everybody...

Is this an idea from the same guy that wants to blow up tornados with nukes?

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

militarising space is not the same as weaponising space.

Your statement is a joke...no?

a reply to: missed_gear

Just making conversation with Arnie...(he triggers so easily)

Up until 10min ago the subject never crossed my mind and from my idealistic point of view I can not see anything good coming from waponising space but chances are pretty big all the big players got stuff up there since the cold war.

But it seem it is as effective as nuclear weapons...nobody uses them because nobody would benefit.

Peace

a reply to: chr0naut

Oh Really ? Don't know your History Very Well do you ? Wernher von Braun was a Fevorant Nazi in the 1930's and the V1 and V2 Programs He Helped Develope Killed Thousands of People during WWII . He Was a War Criminal , and All the other Nazi Scientists that Assisted him . Because of the Onset of the Cold War in 1946 , the U.S. Government was Willing to Pardon these Scientists of their War Crimes in Return for their Help in the U.S. Soviet " Space Race " in the 1950's . Do not Try and Downplay their Guilt , it's Insulting.......

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: chr0naut

Oh Really ? Don't know your History Very Well do you ? Wernher von Braun was a Fevorant Nazi in the 1930's and the V1 and V2 Programs He Helped Develope Killed Thousands of People during WWII . He Was a War Criminal , and All the other Nazi Scientists that Assisted him . Because of the Onset of the Cold War in 1946 , the U.S. Government was Willing to Pardon these Scientists of their War Crimes in Return for their Help in the U.S. Soviet " Space Race " in the 1950's . Do not Try and Downplay their Guilt , it's Insulting.......

I agree that he would not have been granted amnesty if not for his technical aptitude.

However, he was questioned about his Nazi affiliation and responded with this:

"I was officially demanded to join the National Socialist Party. At this time (1937) I was already technical director of the Army Rocket Center at Peenemünde ... My refusal to join the party would have meant that I would have to abandon the work of my life. Therefore, I decided to join. My membership in the party did not involve any political activities ... in Spring 1940, one SS-Standartenführer (SS Colonel) Müller ... looked me up in my office at Peenemünde and told me that Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler had sent him with the order to urge me to join the SS. I called immediately on my military superior ... Major-General W. Dornberger. He informed me that ... if I wanted to continue our mutual work, I had no alternative but to join."

As has always been, everyone with dirty hands, always claims extenuating circumstances.

However, the Paperclip scientists, engineers and technicians (except for Georg Rickhey, who was acquitted anyway) were never charged with war crimes, which was what I said.

I don't condone the Paperclip guys but there was still a war on at the time, which had to be won at all costs, and this took priority. Even if it was morally wrong, the decision to allow them was practically necessitated and gave America & its allies the upper hand in the new power structure of the world.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: chr0naut

Oh Really ? Don't know your History Very Well do you ? Wernher von Braun was a Fevorant Nazi in the 1930's and the V1 and V2 Programs He Helped Develope Killed Thousands of People during WWII . He Was a War Criminal , and All the other Nazi Scientists that Assisted him . Because of the Onset of the Cold War in 1946 , the U.S. Government was Willing to Pardon these Scientists of their War Crimes in Return for their Help in the U.S. Soviet " Space Race " in the 1950's . Do not Try and Downplay their Guilt , it's Insulting.......

Freeman Dyson and other historians have written persuasively that the net effect of the V-2 program was Germany collapsing six months or more sooner due to the crushing demand for high-tech equipment and rare hi-energy fuels, that if applied to more conventional weapons could have lengthened the war leading to millions more fatalities in Europe and tens of millions in the Pacific -- including inter alia my father and uncles. So be GRATEFUL the von Braun team diverted Hitler from far more effective weapons [Speer in his memoirs confirms this ‘mistake’]. I’ll take any such happy result, inadvertent or not – and we don’t have to forget the V-2’s victims in London and the slave cave factories. The non-existence of the V-2 wouldn’t have saved such losses, it would have multiplied them. Every V-2 built was a dozen fighter jets not built, a hundred anti-aircraft rockets not built, a squad of Tiger tanks not built. The cold-blooded calculus of casualties is morally complex.