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Leopard print apparel for young girls is wrong

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posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

Nah. You dress your children how you think they should dress. Im just tossing around my opinion on a topic i rarely have an invitation to discuss.




posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 08:46 PM
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I'm not sure if you know this, but I keep starring your posts. I want you to know that even though you sound nasty and broken, I appreciate what you are bringing to the table.


originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses
were you very open?

Yes. I pondered why she likes the leopard print and I said I should ask her. I began with a reflection, and identified a personal failure. In my world, that is openness. Why do you feel the need to kick a man when he's down? I obviously screwed up by relying on you for a civil discussion.

You failed to ask your daughter why she likes to were leopard print. You don't know if she would have answered if it made her feel fast or powerful or if she liked to wear it because the boy next door likes to look at her when she wears it.

Yeah. It was literally the first thing I did. But you would have understood/empathized with my objection to the aesthetic long ago if you were going to at all.


Is her motives and opinions not important to you?

In some cases, they are not. Are you a parent?


You didn't bother to tell her your decision that she should not wear it but that duty would fall to her mother. Why? Are you avoiding responsibility?

You nailed it, little Sigmund.



You failed to tell us what excuse your wife gave for not buying the leopard print? Why?

I guess I'll just ask point-blank: why, exactly, is that a failure?



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: Onlyyouknow
You do have to realize that no matter how a lady dresses does not invoke an invitation to be violated.

It sounds like you are trying to educate me right now. Is that correct? I am a dismal communicator if I have given you the impression that I don't know this.


...Basically everything is the woman's fault- no personal responsibility for the man to control his desires.

I try not to live or think that way. I don't think I could say much else about it that wouldn't be some sort of virtue-signalling. I have my own "manlies" I need to work out, sure. I'd rather have man-problems than woman-problems, anyhow. I don't see it as a one-sided issue, but I also think it's a shame that social power and standing has been so one-sided in many cultures. It's bogus and bad.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

"Happy medium"

That's good, sane thinking.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:02 PM
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a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

This is a matter for your family. You guys kick it around and reach a solution which allows kids to be kids and parents to be parents.

I cannot offer any useful opinion as I do not know you and your family.

Some of the responses on here are what you get when kick over that rock and the holier-than-thou's see an opportunity to demonstrate their superiority.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:05 PM
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a reply to: Onlyyouknow
I am going to tell my age. When I was a teen, it was considered slutty to wear a dress or skirt with a hemline above the knees. When the new style came out with the hemlines moving to mid knee cap, my Dad had a melt down. No daughter of his would ever be caught out in public showing her knees. I couldn't wear pants either, except jeans around the homestead.

I loved my Dad and I made sure he never saw me with my hiked up skirt. Just a little wardrobe adjustment. Wear a belt and a long top. Fold the skirt up over the belt when you got to school and take down before you got home. Looking back, I respected my father and it meant a lot to me that he was concerned enough about me to be involved with what I wore. He thought he was protecting me and my reputation, which was a big thing back then.

I didn't always agree with him and we fought from time to time, but back then it was all about respect, towards your elders and for yourself. He died very young so he didn't get the opportunity to see all the madness that followed, but I knew my Dad well enough that he would not have accepted the rising hemlines without a lot of noise and dissatisfaction.

Whether it is culture or the times, traditionally men where considered the heads of the household and the rest of the family deferred to their will. I never had a problem with that because with all his faults and mistakes, my Dad was a good man.

Times have changed and I will admit that I have greatly benefited from the advances that happened with the move to more equality for women. But for all the gains we have made I wouldn't be honest if I didn't admit that I think that we have lost a lot also. I am not so sure that we have made an equal trade. That is just me. I am sure those much younger will not agree.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: ABNARTY

All in good fun for a slow Saturday. I normally only start short story threads. At least here my debate skills get dusted off.

Cheers.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

OK - now I seem to have your attentions so yes we can bring this to a civil level. Its hard to get through sometimes.

First of all, I am not 20 something and just out of some woman's study. I am a 63 year old grandmother. I raised 3 daughters, 2 granddaughters and 3 grandsons.

I have lived the days of true female suppression. The days when I had to have a third daughter because my husband refused me permission to have my tubes tied. It was a hormone thing in the days when birth control was just developed. I could not make the decision but I sure as hell paid for and raised her alone.

I regret the most was believing if I stepped outside without an escort at night, I would be raped. I lost the sight of the stars and the feel of a summer breeze. I also regret that I was sadly misinformed about men. I was almost 35 before I knew the freedom I had given up so that I would not appear "provocative" That most men are seeking a willing partner and not to rape the first foolish woman if she dresses provocatively. You guys sorely misrepresent yourselves...you know that.

I am most concerned for our young men and that their rights are upheld and that they don't get their lives ruined because they groped a girl at a party.

You "pondered" asking your daughter but you didn't!. Its a gross disrespect on your part that your daughter is not consulted on matters of personal choice./

As I tried to point out repeatedly, woman can wear tents and blinders, never leave the house un-escorted and restrict their lives to no end. The fact is, they are still prone to being raped. Age doesn't matter. Appearance doesn't matter and location doesn't matter. We are prone to rape in the street, in the allies, in our schools, on our jobs, in our own kitchens and in our own beds. But we lose so much when the men in our lives try to protect us by restricting our lives and our choice.

I finally decided that I would go out at night when it was announced in paper that an 82 year old woman with only 1 leg was raped in her own bed. If its going to happen, not wearing leopard print is not going to stop it from happening. But you have restricted a child from an innocent pleasure, just because is a girl.

How is your decision different from those who force woman to wear tents. Really think about it and answer the question

YOU made a decision and issued an instruction to your wife that she was required to obey. She was the one who had to come up with some bull# excuse. Why did you not take responsibity. Woman have been excusing men for centuries. You make a dicision about your own daughter. Why can't you explain your decision yourself

You keep talking about how rude I am?? Really, I gave birth to and paid for and raised a daughter just because some men decided that my fertility belonged to a man. I don't regret my daughter but when I think of all I lost and what I suffered just because I am a girl I get real protective of all the little girls out there.

Come on Dad - give her a break and let her imagine that she is as fast as a leopard.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I'm so glad you came to the thread. Refreshing opinions.

If you all reading this only could see me, know me for a few moments in real life, you'd probably get a good laugh.

I may be many things - a walking contradiction, sometimes - but I'm not what some posters have made me out to be.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: Raggedyman

Hmm - You asked me to answer a simple question. I did so at your request. Still I am not allowed to speak.

Hmmm - so apparently unless I agree and pander to the male opinion - I am wrong whichever way I express myself.


I didn’t ask you to answer anything sweety
I just pointed out your vindictiveness and feminist angst in your rant reply to the op

Not allowed to speak? Really
All you have done, relentlessly is harp on and on and on

I didn’t even say you were wrong, I just commented on your reply being feminist ranting

Now stop, reread the thread authors name, re read my replies to you, take a breath, think, consider, balance up the comments, balance up your psych, chief or whatever you have and consider what you are saying and how you are saying it

You are on a pond 🦆



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

A person posed a question and you decided to grab your soapbox and, not a step of hesitation, not a stutter, just moan and bitch

Simple question asking for a simple answer, why not just offer up something nice, simple and precise

You are a control freak, you use moaning and bitching to control, sad really

Doesn’t work on me, I don’t need what you are selling, all you can do is try get in my face to control me, just like your post

Happy to break down your post and show you the control freak aspect of it if you like

Otherwise, go save a hippy or something




Well since we are getting down to breaking down quotes:

"Simple questions asking for a simple answer. Why don't you offer up something nice, simple and precise"

Gee looks to me that did in fact ask me for something. Like I said, I give you exactly what you asked for and you are still not happy because "sweetie" didn't pander. I am shocked and amazed.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

Oh and in case you have any further questions:

I don't usually get called "sweetie".....twice!

And I usually speak my mind whether some man likes it or not. Nobody pays my mortgage but me and I have earned the right. I didn't assume superiority just because of a dick between my legs.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses
OK - now I seem to have your attentions so yes we can bring this to a civil level. Its hard to get through sometimes.

You have a strange style.


First of all, I am not 20 something and just out of some woman's study.

I see that part of the problem is that you are responding to two different people. I never guessed your age.


I have lived the days of true female suppression. The days when I had to have a third daughter because my husband refused me permission to have my tubes tied. It was a hormone thing in the days when birth control was just developed. I could not make the decision but I sure as hell paid for and raised her alone.


Assuming it's true, then you have every right to be resentful. I hope your life is better now.


You "pondered" asking your daughter but you didn't!. Its a gross disrespect on your part that your daughter is not consulted on matters of personal choice./

You have made the hasty generalization that I never defer to my daughters preferences. That is just as untrue as the allegation that it constitutes "gross disrespect" if I didn't. She's a kid and her preferences barely matter in many decisions.


How is your decision different from those who force woman to wear tents. Really think about it and answer the question


I've really thought about it. It is different because I am simply prohibiting my daughter from wearing one type of apparel, for reasons that I have detailed to the best of my ability in this thread. I am not only NOT forcing any single woman to wear tent, I am not even forcing all the women of a single culture to wear a tent. How could I be so evil?


YOU made a decision and issued an instruction to your wife that she was required to obey.

Completely bogus. I gave you the shorthand. My words almost exactly were "leopard print reminds me of sluts I knew in my high school and college years, and if it were up to me, I wouldn't buy it". Hardly an iron-clad decree. My wife, who loves me, heard my concern and accomodated it. It makes me love my wife more, which is great for our daughter. I know it's anecdotal but it'll have to do.


She was the one who had to come up with some bull# excuse. Why did you not take responsibity. Woman have been excusing men for centuries. You make a dicision about your own daughter. Why can't you explain your decision yourself

When they arrive home I will. I'm not half the coward you're making me out to be.


You keep talking about how rude I am??

You've been kinda rude. I forgive you tho.


Really, I gave birth to and paid for and raised a daughter just because some men decided that my fertility belonged to a man.


So I have become the stand-in for a despicable man from your past? Ummm...


Come on Dad - give her a break and let her imagine that she is as fast as a leopard.


If your only comment in the thread had been this last sentence, we would've gotten along so much better. Maybe next thread.
edit on 24/8/2019 by DictionaryOfExcuses because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses


ok next thread

Let your kid be a kid, even if she is a girl.

I know that some things have gone way over board in the relations between men and woman and I am dead serious when I say I am concerned. Remember, I have grandsons to.

You may not like my style of expression. Fair enough. I had to fight a lot of battles in my day and I didn't have a family or anyone to help

Here is my vote.

Think of when you were a kid and got new sneakers. Think of how fast you imagined you could run with those sneakers. Think of the wind blowing in your hair and how it all made you feel.

How do you know that the leopard skin shirt doesn't make your kid feel the exact some way. that she can run like the wind and be the most powerful animal in the playground.

This is such an important feeling for a kid. Like I was denied the stars and the soft summer wind. What exactly are you denying your kid??? and what are you gaining out of it.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

Our son is a remarkably agreeable guy really, but I think part of it is that we allow him quite a bit of control. The secret is that when he gets his choices, we always make sure the options are things his father and I can live with and are prepared to follow through on no matter what choice he makes.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

oh and you are not standing in for an ex-husband. That was over 40 years ago.

But you are standing in for a culture that restricts choices for only one sex and leaves them to pay the price.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses
But you are standing in for a culture that restricts choices for only one sex and leaves them to pay the price.


I always knew that I possessed great powers.
edit on 24/8/2019 by DictionaryOfExcuses because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

LOL just you and you alone



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 10:22 PM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Really?

In the days of #MeToo you would say that? Young men have to navigate a pretty scary world nowadays with regard to the choices they may or may not make themselves. It's gotten to the point where a sane man refuses to have closed door meetings alone with any woman not his wife because if she says anything about it, her truth is what matters.

The truth is that when you go into a situation, you bear some responsibility for assessing the chances something may happen to you and taking steps to avoid trouble. Just like most people are wise to have a designated driver if they're heading out for a night on the town, most women are wise to realize that getting stupid drunk in the company of complete strangers isn't the smartest thing to do. If we don't consider it victim blaming to tell those about to drink to have a designated driver (OMG! You're shaming them for getting inebriated beyond a capacity to drive and saying they deserve to crash ...), then neither is it victim blaming to tell a young woman not to get stupid drunk outside the company of a good friend or three who will watch her back (OMG! You're saying she deserves to get raped if she drinks ...). Rather both are smart advice to avoid trouble and take precautions.



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: DictionaryOfExcuses
My young daughter loves all things feline, including leopard print clothes.

Welcome to the club. Mine has been a feline of one variety or another for Halloween for the past 5 years.


I am perplexed. In my mind, leopard print is associated with sluttiness.

That's funny, because here I thought plunging necklines and ass cheeks peeking out of shorts & mini skirts/dresses was associated with the slut look. Huh, who knew I was wrong and it's been the prints all along.


I think it's because of Carrie, or maybe Emily. Laura?

Who??


it's something women use in an attempt to look sexy and young girls should not be encouraged to wear it, ever.

Incorrect. Animal prints on grown adults look retarded and should be limited to children only.


If I had my way, children's clothes would only come in monochrome. No glitter, no trite phrases, no cartoon characters.

Well you're one boring bastard, aren't you? Just put her in a burka and be done with it.


I told my wife my thoughts. She seemed a bit puzzled

No kidding. I wonder why.



Will anyone on ATS back me up?

Not likely.


Is leopard print for young girls ever OK?

Yes.


Were my perceptions warped by the wrong people at the wrong time?

Your delusions are your own. Don't blame others for them.


Am I being unfair to all women who wear leopard print?

Let's get this straight again -- animal prints on adults LOOK F#ING STUPID. It is solidly a childrens' print domain there. Adults need never apply and should never wear them.







 
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