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'Academic espionage': China suspected of flooding U.S. with students to access sensitive programs

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posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 12:36 PM
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'Academic espionage': China suspected of flooding U.S. with students to access sensitive programs




America’s plan to catch China in the race to deploy super-fast hypersonic weapons may begin in college classrooms.

Academic leaders, lawmakers, and military and intelligence officials say Washington needs to take a harder look at the number of Chinese who come to the U.S. to study engineering, aeronautics, astronautics, quantum mechanics and other fields that have direct connections to national security. The massive influx of Chinese students in recent years, they say, has led directly to Beijing’s advantage in the development of hypersonics and other cutting-edge technology — though U.S. officials say privately that it’s difficult, if not impossible, to track individual cases of students gaining specific insights in a given area and then taking that knowledge back home.


I think articles like this are disingenuous. Attitudes like this could lead to a slippery slope towards discrimination and whatnot. It could also lead to interference with businesses (colleges, as well as being places of learning and research are also businesses as well).

In an increasingly globalised world, attitudes likes this could be more destructive than helpful.




posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 12:40 PM
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I think articles like this are disingenuous.


I'm not a fan of China but I agree with you. This is like saying by sending German Students to a cooking course in the US, they are becoming great pastry chefs!



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 12:41 PM
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Or not.

China is the biggest state sponsored theft operation on the planet. Asking people to ignore that fact is disingenuous.



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 12:47 PM
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FBI director Wray on China-


He said he thinks China, from a counterintelligence perspective, represents the broadest and most significant threat America faces. China wants to replace the United States as the most powerful economic engine in the world and is infiltrating American businesses to get an edge.

“We have economic espionage investigations in all 50 states” that can be traced back to China, Wray said. “It covers everything from corn seeds in Iowa to wind turbines in Massachusetts and everything in between.
AP

All 50 states, they do corporate, state, and intellectual property espionage... Why not for schools?



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 12:57 PM
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It's not just students that China is trying to use to gain every bit of information they can from us...


A researcher at the University of Kansas was indicted today on federal charges of hiding the fact he was working full time for a Chinese university while doing research at KU funded by the U.S. government.

Feng “Franklin” Tao, 47, Lawrence, an associate professor at KU’s Center for Environmentally Beneficial Catalysis, is charged with one count of wire fraud and three counts of program fraud. He was employed since August 2014 by the CEBC, whose mission is to conduct research on sustainable technology to conserve natural resources and energy.

The indictment alleges that in May, 2018 Tao signed a five-year contract with Fuzhou University in China that designated him as a Changjiang Scholar Distinguished Professor. The contract required him to be a full time employee of the Chinese university. While Tao was under contract with Fuzhou University, he was conducting research at KU that was funded through two U.S. Department of Energy contracts and four National Science Foundation contracts.


www.kake.com...



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

FBI director Wray on China-


He said he thinks China, from a counterintelligence perspective, represents the broadest and most significant threat America faces. China wants to replace the United States as the most powerful economic engine in the world and is infiltrating American businesses to get an edge.

“We have economic espionage investigations in all 50 states” that can be traced back to China, Wray said. “It covers everything from corn seeds in Iowa to wind turbines in Massachusetts and everything in between.
AP

All 50 states, they do corporate, state, and intellectual property espionage... Why not for schools?


But, if we follow on from this, what are we proposing here? Restrictions? Worse - sabotage? "Only we want to be top dog and there's another big dog out there who wants to be top dog and we can't allow that."

Isn't that what this kind of thing leads to? If it even was a competition (who's top dog on Earth), the response of the US is to do what exactly? Two sprinters on the race track, the US and China, and the US brings out a Glock, shoots China in the leg and then sprints off to the finish line?



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 01:02 PM
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No slippery slope here.

Uncomfortable view, WE ARE CURRENTLY ENGAGING CHINA in a soft war of sorts.

The trade war is where it starts, everything else falls into place.

Today, Trump tweeted continued reactions to the chinese.

Considering the prior adminsitrations and their inability to deal with china means that Trump literally IS the CHOSEN ONE to take on china.



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: Arnie123
No slippery slope here.

Uncomfortable view, WE ARE CURRENTLY ENGAGING CHINA in a soft war of sorts.

The trade war is where it starts, everything else falls into place.

Today, Trump tweeted continued reactions to the chinese.

Considering the prior adminsitrations and their inability to deal with china means that Trump literally IS the CHOSEN ONE to take on china.


Take China on how?

Okay, so we have this trade war. What else? Restricting visas to people from China? Banning Chinese students and professors? How far is this going to go?



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

FBI director Wray on China-


He said he thinks China, from a counterintelligence perspective, represents the broadest and most significant threat America faces. China wants to replace the United States as the most powerful economic engine in the world and is infiltrating American businesses to get an edge.

“We have economic espionage investigations in all 50 states” that can be traced back to China, Wray said. “It covers everything from corn seeds in Iowa to wind turbines in Massachusetts and everything in between.
AP

All 50 states, they do corporate, state, and intellectual property espionage... Why not for schools?


But, if we follow on from this, what are we proposing here? Restrictions? Worse - sabotage? "Only we want to be top dog and there's another big dog out there who wants to be top dog and we can't allow that."

Isn't that what this kind of thing leads to? If it even was a competition (who's top dog on Earth), the response of the US is to do what exactly? Two sprinters on the race track, the US and China, and the US brings out a Glock, shoots China in the leg and then sprints off to the finish line?
Umm, you're just describing reality.

Yes, it is a competition, between our species.

America FIRST because to the chinese, it's Chinese first.

You can think differently all you want, but if you're not on board the US train of progress for FUBU, than you're on the sidelines WISHING.



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: Arnie123
No slippery slope here.

Uncomfortable view, WE ARE CURRENTLY ENGAGING CHINA in a soft war of sorts.

The trade war is where it starts, everything else falls into place.

Today, Trump tweeted continued reactions to the chinese.

Considering the prior adminsitrations and their inability to deal with china means that Trump literally IS the CHOSEN ONE to take on china.


Take China on how?

Okay, so we have this trade war. What else? Restricting visas to people from China? Banning Chinese students and professors? How far is this going to go?
Sure.

In fact, Trump took the first steps to closing down "Confucious institutes" as the CCP seeks to push a false narrative, among many other things.

Source:

beta.washingtonpost.com... tType=amp



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 01:11 PM
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There's a difference between competing and ripping off intulectual property.



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 02:30 PM
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China is the biggest state sponsored theft operation on the planet. Asking people to ignore that fact is disingenuous.


No thats the centralised banking system.



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 02:52 PM
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Of course they are. People just want to pretend everything is OK and people don't cheat and steal. Schools want them because they pay big.



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 03:37 PM
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America’s plan to catch China in the race to deploy super-fast hypersonic weapons may begin in college classrooms.

Catch? Does that mean that the US is losing that race?


The massive influx of Chinese students in recent years, they say, has led directly to Beijing’s advantage in the development of hypersonics and other cutting-edge technology — though U.S. officials say privately that it’s difficult, if not impossible, to track individual cases of students gaining specific insights in a given area and then taking that knowledge back home.

So, Chinese students go to the same schools as US students and learn the same things, but Beijing has an advantage. How?



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 03:39 PM
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MANY cheat too. Purdue University, they're the only ethnic group that speaks to one another during big exams, in a language nobody else understands... you know the ones with 700 kids in a single hall with eyes and ears everywhere. They get positions as TA's and literally share it all w/ the students of similar ethnicity.


Thank goodness Purdue prides themselves on the largest Asian demographic among Big 10 and other universities.

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posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: Arnie123
Yes, it is a competition, between our species.

Could you explain what you mean by that?



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 04:07 PM
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China isn't going to stay being a place that just manufactures things, they want to be the biggest economy in the world. They want power to make sure nobody attacks them, they want leverage and they are trying to get better trained people so they can patent their own products that those in other countries will swarm after. Just look how much money the people who develop the phone technology here are making compared to what they get for manufacturing the phones in China. China just wants their share of the pie. They will do what they need to to get it. By sending people here to go college, they get more understanding of how our society views things. The Russians send spies here to spy on our society so they know how to identify with Americans. China is just doing the same thing.

I am sure there are some spies that are being sent here as students to try to steal some technology if they can. That is what our government would do if they had to.



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 09:18 PM
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If you added up every Chineese male 21+ in the USA RIGHT NOW UNDER ALL AND ANY CIRCUMSTANCE BUT ON USA SOIL...WHAT KIND OF STANDING gUERILLA aRMY WOULD THAT BE?
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posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: ArMaP

America’s plan to catch China in the race to deploy super-fast hypersonic weapons may begin in college classrooms.

Catch? Does that mean that the US is losing that race?


The massive influx of Chinese students in recent years, they say, has led directly to Beijing’s advantage in the development of hypersonics and other cutting-edge technology — though U.S. officials say privately that it’s difficult, if not impossible, to track individual cases of students gaining specific insights in a given area and then taking that knowledge back home.

So, Chinese students go to the same schools as US students and learn the same things, but Beijing has an advantage. How?


For many decades China and Russia but more so China will embed families into our country. The children will go to school and have the sole purpose of getting high positions in companies so they can send intelligence home.

China is, after all, the biggest thief on the planet and will outright steal any tech they can get their hands on. It's extremely hard to compete with China on that front.
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posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 10:07 PM
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technology isn't something that requires skill like a pastry chef, you just need knowledge and money, so it's really not the same thing. you don't really believe they caught up so fast without spying do you?



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