Are We Heading For a New Civil War?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: scraedtosleep

Yep democracy is a messy business and yet we manage to remain a united people for the most part. We disagree on how we get from point A to B, but I don't see any chance of a civil war.

But a growing percentage of the population wants a destination other than B.

That has always been the case in any group of more than a few people, there will always be outliers.

In the end though, most all of us just want a decent life and for most everyone, that is point B.

My point about it being more insane in the 60s and into the 70s remains true. Civil war is not coming soon, an uncivil election is, as has been the case most if not all elections.

The Proud Boys and ANTIFA squaring off does not a civil war make. Just irrational people doing what irrational people do and there are more than a few irrational people in this world.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: edward777

Are We Heading For a New Civil War?

Yes, but it will quickly morph into a race war this time. There will be signs to bug out and you can run but you can't hide.

Yeah, the left always make everything about race.

And if it were to come down to a shooting war, my bet is on the people who have the most combat vets in their demographic, and I can promise you they wont be hiding.

a reply to: Blaine91555

You should know by now that actual history, facts , and common sense have zero factor in the poster you replied to, as well with a hand full of others.

They have a full on socialist mentality, and dont even know or acknowledge the history of it.

a reply to: openminded2011

What do yo mean "make college attainable for more than just rich kids"? With the government guaranteeing loans for anyone and anything that can make the entrance requirements for a university, there is no entry bar to college anymore.

The problem kids have to getting into uni is that they don't get their lower level education, and that is as much a problem of homelife and not valuing the idea of education as it is a financial barrier to college. If the parents in the home aren't starting at a young age working with a kid and teaching them the value of basics like literacy, then the odds are that learning to read, write and do arithmetic are going to be an uphill battle. If the parents in the home aren't instilling a basic idea of behavior and proper social skills, then the kids aren't going to come into school prepared and ready to learn making learning those basics even harder.

If anything, colleges accept to many kids from inner city and poorer situations to universities in the name of diversity and those students receive easy government loans, arrive at college with a basic knowledge and skill deficit from their years of deficit starting with an inadequate home life in many cases, and they wash out before they complete two years at most with student loan debt thanks to government money.

What people need to realize is that many of the barriers to obtaining upward mobility in this country are as much a problem of culture as they are anything to do with lack of money. If a 5-year-old comes to school without being able to identify basic shapes, colors, letters, numbers, etc., and they cannot behave with rudimentary discipline, they are at a deficit because not only do they need to learn the basics before building on those blocks, but they also have to be taught the basic social skills that even allow learning to take place.

Those lacks start in the home with broken families and families that never were in the first place. They start with children having children in order to attain independence through social safety net benefits. They start with fatherless sons "hitting" (having sex with) any and every girl that moves while they run the streets in their gangs because they never had a father to show them how real men behave in society.

This all creates generational poverty where no one knows any better or any different and every kid's dream is to either be a rapper or get into the NBA instead being a doctor or an engineer or an astronaut or the president. Academic achievement is looked down on as belonging to another culture entirely and those kids are sneered at and belittled.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Do YOU specifically want to kill your fellow American over politics

When you spend years demonizing your opponent to the point of "inhumane, Nazi" etc then killing is justified to those who have spent those years demonizing.

What's the bounty on deplorables?

Seems like ive heard of a group of people doing something like this before

Hmmmmm , Im trying to remember

I think it was in the 40s somewhere, If my memory is correct , it didnt work out so well for a certain group

I could see an "assault weapons ban" as causing it.

Not because the federals try to round up all the gun owners; but because of a popular/populist push to enforce a gun ban "house to house."

Basically, a demogogue tells the people that the government will never disarm the "white supremacists", and they will have to do it themselves.

Then liberal activists are told not to do business with conservatives. Don't check out their groceries, don't pump their gas, don't let them rent an apartment. Don't hire them, don't buy from them. lock up their email accounts and web domains. Hell, crash their cell phones. And call out "collaborators" on facebook.

If you look at US history, most of the really egregious violations of rights were when the feds protected a minority (like native Americans, or blacks during reconstruction) and the mob of the majority overwhelmed the feds. Much of the Indian wars went like this, especially when gold was found in the black hills, and the feds had just reserved the land to the Indians... Or when the feds tried to secure voting rights for blacks in the reconstruction sound, than the Klu Klux Klan lynched its victims in the dark of night.

You need to finish the first one.

originally posted by: Ahabstar
I guess a good question is what would be the spark that sets the whole thing off?

Firstly, the rise of extremist ideologies, the new Communism and Fascism. Secondly, Congressional inaction on immigration, and the rise of corporate power (stateless corporations).

So what would get people to fight? Being drafted, which was common practice in the North during the Civil War. Are the sides that drawn to support a draft? No that are not.

Private property rights, freedom of speech, the right to live in a democratic country, and in the U.S. gun rights.

Americans can only be pushed so far ,
Like another thread, Democrats now care more about illegal immigrants then their own citizens.

This will get the natives restless

a reply to: ketsuko



What I mean is that the system is totally gamed in favor of favoring the children of the affluent in education. That is a FACT.And when they get out, class plays a BIG role in getting a good job. The affluent tend to be well connected and networked, and people from the upper classes tend to favor people in their own social class over people from lower class or working class backgrounds. I have worked for 45 years and seen this multiple times with my own eyes, so dont tell me its not true, it is. If you work for a company whose CEO came from wealth, he is going to favor others who came from wealth over you in hiring if you didnt.

a reply to: edward777

No, not in America, it's way too much work.

a reply to: openminded2011

have you seen "Undercover Billionaire"?

It's not a question of if there will be civil war, the question is when?

Revelation 18:9-11:
Verse 9: "And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning."
Verse 10: "Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour is thy judgment come."
Verse 11: "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more."

Babylon is America. We have all seen what happens when riots break out in some urban setting - citizens start looting and burning their own neighborhoods. America is in just the right precarious state that one thing could set off everthing like flame to a tinder box. And that's what will happen to America - we'll go up in smoke. Countries from around the world will no longer have us to buy their wares. America will be history.

Cheech and Chong had it right.

What Ever you do Evil will Still come back!
read up on Oliver Cromwell.

he was part of a big Civil War in England.
they killed the king.

later,
he had to dismissed the Rump Parliament by force.
because they ware so corrupt.

when he died they put a king in again
and the corruption came back.

humans are so Evil you can Never win...

Maybe this is different. Sure, there were radical elements in the nation in the 1960s but, for the most part, people got along. We also had a shared foundation in ethics and religion. Now we are not just more fragmented, but we have no social cohesion anymore. And the hatred between left and right is only comparable to how nations about to go to war feel towards each other.

originally posted by: Bloodworth
Americans can only be pushed so far ,
Like another thread, Democrats now care more about illegal immigrants then their own citizens.

This will get the natives restless

Really? That's a rather broad and sweeping statement - can you back that up with any sort of proof?

And civil war? Please.. we are not in any situation where the vast majority of Americans would even think of taking up arms against others and killing them. While there are a handful of people that would happily pick up a gun because someone dared throw a glass of ice into the face of someone on their side of a political fence, MOST sane people would not escalate that to the point of killing others.

It's curious to me, that every time this conversation pops up, it's a conservative or Trump supporter that has done so. What happened - did someone deface your Trump bumper sticker, and now you think the only proper response is to kill those who think differently than you so that you feel better about yourself?

a reply to: fleabit

More like we hear the constant rhetoric from the left.

There are plenty of you that are like the classic schoolyard bully. Sure you all start with just demeaning and verbal bullying to assert your power and dominance, to get your way, but if those tactics don't work, don't give you the feelings you crave, or someone doesn't stop you, you step it up to the physical.

Generally, if the schoolyard, someone stopping you equates to someone slapping you down in a way you comprehend to mean that you don't have that power.

That hasn't happened yet, and if someone were to stomp on you physically, it would be illegal. So things continue to escalate. No one on the right wants that (well no one sane) which is why the majority of us continue to eye you askance and watch you hype yourselves up toward that physical bullying which we know is the next stop if someone with the power to slap you down legally doesn't start doing it soon.

It's not hard to see. This is a pattern that has repeated itself over and over again across multiple times in history in multiple places. Study your history and you'll see it too.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
It's not a question of if there will be civil war, the question is when?

Revelation 18:9-11:
Verse 9: "And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning."
Verse 10: "Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour is thy judgment come."
Verse 11: "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more."

Babylon is America. We have all seen what happens when riots break out in some urban setting - citizens start looting and burning their own neighborhoods. America is in just the right precarious state that one thing could set off everthing like flame to a tinder box. And that's what will happen to America - we'll go up in smoke. Countries from around the world will no longer have us to buy their wares. America will be history.

Cheech and Chong had it right.

What makes you think it's America?


What if it's Chyna? Doesn't most of the world import their broken, poisoned goods more than any other place?

India seems to have all the gold

Some of the earlier comments lead me to believe that quite a few people are very naive about how a 2nd civil war would work here.

There is a good thought provoking podcast on the subject by How Stuff Works called It Could Happen Here. The left leaning bias of the presenter is somewhat off putting. But even he is blatantly honest that the left/city centers will be in a world of hurt. If you can stomach the bias, it's worth a listen to consider how these things are going down in other countries today and to recognize some of the special circumstances here in the US.

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
It's not a question of if there will be civil war, the question is when?

Revelation 18:9-11:
Verse 9: "And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning."
Verse 10: "Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour is thy judgment come."
Verse 11: "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more."

Babylon is America. We have all seen what happens when riots break out in some urban setting - citizens start looting and burning their own neighborhoods. America is in just the right precarious state that one thing could set off everthing like flame to a tinder box. And that's what will happen to America - we'll go up in smoke. Countries from around the world will no longer have us to buy their wares. America will be history.

Cheech and Chong had it right.

What makes you think it's America?


What if it's Chyna?

That's a very good question and thanks for asking! The reason it's not China is because events that happen later, further along in the book of Revelation, show China participating in the final battle of Armageddon, along with Russia. And this takes place after Babylon has fallen. Now that we don't produce as much stuff of our own here in America, we buy it from all over the world. And especially China. So of course, China would particularly hate to lose America as a customer.