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Man arrested for meme in Connecticut "showing interest in mass shooting"

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posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari

So, I guess you dont see any problem with the other lunatic they arrested in the past few days that had a missile launcher in his stockpile of weapons?
I guess we all need to buy our own missile launchers to protect ourselves from the crazies in the world?




posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 09:05 AM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Opposing every move to even begin to stop the maddness of mass shootings is madness as well.


There was no mass shooting though, this is presuming guilt.


Would you rather wait until people are dead and then say 'I knew there was something odd going on'?


Hindsight is always 20/20.

Would you rather live in a police-state?



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: generik
while i heavily disagree that just for sharing a meme you can be arrested.

The meme was just the alert. When they found he had a boatload of weapons and ammo, that's when they took him in. Seems fair to me. Give him a court date and maybe a psych evaluation.


I don't see any evidence that they found him to be a threat- they found guns and ammo.
Know who else has guns and ammo?
More than half the population of this country.

Yeah, he had high capacity magazines which are banned wherever he lives... But they shouldn't be.
Did they actually investigate this guy? Did they get a warrant to snoop through his private internet usage? Did they interview friends and family to determine if he was a threat?

No, they arrested him and took his stuff.
If he had a job, he doesn't anymore. If he had a proper career, it's screwed for years to come.
He's 22- by the time I was 22 I was waist deep into my career, finishing college, and already had a mortgage.
If the police had stormed my home without probable cause and then found something I wasn't supposed to have (drugs? magazines? more than $2000 in cash? [yeah, they consider hoarding cash a crime] some plumbing fittings that could resemble a bomb, or a still, or drug paraphernalia?) - they could have thrown me in a cell too, and screw up the rest of my life.

His words, my bolding:

"I drove to Halstead New Hampshire from Norwalk CT in about 3 hours to acquire 30 round magazines and ammunition to circumvent what I viewed as an unconstitutional restriction on the second amendment. I purchased 4 30 round magazines and 120 rounds of 300 Blackout ammunition for firearm training. I plan on building an 80% rifle kit which I purchased online from Ceratec, in California. I plan on completing the 80% firearm at my friend Alex's house in Easton. I did not have the intention of committing any mass shootings at all whatsoever."



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Opposing every move to even begin to stop the maddness of mass shootings is madness as well.


There was no mass shooting though, this is presuming guilt.


Would you rather wait until people are dead and then say 'I knew there was something odd going on'?


Hindsight is always 20/20.

Would you rather live in a police-state?


It isn't a police state not to act on information received and proceed accordingly, it's common sense.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: lordcomac

Well, maybe people should be more careful what they post on the internet. Maybe the politicians and tv talking heads should turn down their rhetoric. Maybe some new gun restrictions isnt such a bad idea?
But you tell me, how do we protect ourselves from a bunch of crazies that are armed for war?
Should I go buy my own missile launcher and we can all live with missiles falling from the sky? Got to warn you, my aim with a gun isnt really that good, doubt if I'd be much better with a missile launcher, might be aiming at a house down the street and hit yours in the next city by mistake..



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 09:37 AM
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There's a lot of hot air there. Fine. Bust the guy for the 30 round mags. Other than that there's nothing there other than hype. The Police Department is breaking it's arm patting itself on the back. The college is covering it's ass. There's really nothing for the FBI to be involved with other than press coverage.

I'm totally against the "red flag laws". There's a couple of reasons. Look at the guy who hit the bikers with his truck. His license should have been suspended, but, the State employees didn't do their jobs and process the information that they were sent. Do you really want your rights suspended on the basis of information that was processed by "public sector" union employees?

Another is that I know of Psychologists and Psychiatrists who believe that your wanting to own a gun is a "Mental Illness or Defect. There's no way to define exactly who should and who shouldn't own a gun.

These days Divorce Attorneys advise their female clients to obtain a Protection From Abuse order (PFA) as a part of the divorce process, whether there's an actual threat or not. It's used as leverage against the man in the settlement. I personally know of a woman lying about her ex-husband beating her. At the time that she claimed that it happened, he was testifying in Court. The charges were dropped, but, the District Attorney refused to prosecute the woman because it might prevent other women from pressing charges. The "red flag laws" would have had this man's right to own weapons taken away, with no set process to give him his rights back.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: gallop

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Opposing every move to even begin to stop the maddness of mass shootings is madness as well.


There was no mass shooting though, this is presuming guilt.


After school shooting: "If the FBI had warning signs, why didn't they do something about it!!! I call a false flag!"

Before school shooting: "Welcome to red flag laws."

No one can win, it seems... too busy losing capture the flag.


It's thought crime.

Pre crime.

In theory, anyone at any time can potentially snap. Therefore, everyone is potentially guilty of crime.

The only way to avoid that is to never say, do, or post anything that someone may find offensive.

Free expression? Gone.

1st Amendment? Gone.

The 1st Amendment has a limit, like yelling "fire" in a theater. While you have the right to yell it, doing so has consequences. Social media is a relatively new way of yelling and if someone is talking about a mass shooting, I'd hope there would be an investigation. If there's evidence to back it up (a bunch of weapons at home), take the person on suspicion.

I'm a constitutionalist but I'm okay with this. We just have to make sure it doesn't lead people to criminalize everything that offends. There's a difference in hurting someone's feelings vs killing someone.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: JIMC5499

Its seems that the gun rights people are against everything except the totally unacceptable... letting masses of people get gunned down. It took the Dayton shooter how long to kill what was it. 20 or so people.. a minute, maybe two? And, I kind of think there were plenty of cops with guns nearby.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: lordcomac

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: generik
while i heavily disagree that just for sharing a meme you can be arrested.

The meme was just the alert. When they found he had a boatload of weapons and ammo, that's when they took him in. Seems fair to me. Give him a court date and maybe a psych evaluation.


I don't see any evidence that they found him to be a threat- they found guns and ammo.
Know who else has guns and ammo?
More than half the population of this country.

That's true but you have to admit, owning weapons comes with responsibility. You don't go waving a gun around just for fun, at least I don't. I own a pistol and more than a thousand rounds. I speak up against mass shootings, not pass along memes that makes it appear as I'm an idiot with a bunch of ammo.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: JIMC5499

Its seems that the gun rights people are against everything except the totally unacceptable... letting masses of people get gunned down. It took the Dayton shooter how long to kill what was it. 20 or so people.. a minute, maybe two? And, I kind of think there were plenty of cops with guns nearby.


There's an inherent problem with gun laws. The people committing crimes with guns DON'T OBEY THEM!
Gun laws only affect the people that you don'rt have to worry about in the first place.

Gun violence is actually DOWN. Media hype IS UP! This has nothing to do with saving lives. It is about promoting the Socialist agenda of destroying our society and values. THAT'S IT PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

You come up with something that will work and I'll get behind it. This isn't it.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: Alchemst7
a reply to: projectvxn
My daughter called me today (she lives in Wyoming) and was disturbed about a threat she had from a coworker. The coworker made a loud comment that she hated everyone that works at my daughters work and that she wanted to shoot everyone. 2 days after this had happened, she learned from another coworker that the employee had recently purchased a gun (not sure what type). When my daughter heard this she immediately reported it to the HR department, the police came and the employee was fired. Not sure what has happened since but my daughter is now scared about going back to work and still nothing mention of it in the news!!



This is like yelling "Fire" in a theatre. You cannot threaten to shoot your fellow workers. That speech is not protected.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 10:03 AM
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When they are talking about abortion, it's all about "personal responsibility " and "bad choices"..
Well, our freedoms come with some responsibilities. Was this guy being irresponsible with his freedom of speech, did he make a "bad choice" when he chose to post what he did??
They say that we are punishing the responsible law abiding citizens whenever we discuss any type of gun control measure. But when I point out to the "pro life" crowd how a pregnancy can really mess with a womens body, risking her life, causing permanent disability, or even temporary disability can not only affect her but the entire family including the kids... well they seem to have no problem punishing them because some are being irresponsible, making bad choices in their lives.
It's all just a political crapshoot and they dont care who dies while they bicker as long as they can win some political points.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

He posted something someone found offensive.

I do that 20 times a day before lunch.



It's a bad thing that's happening.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Opposing every move to even begin to stop the maddness of mass shootings is madness as well.


There was no mass shooting though, this is presuming guilt.


Would you rather wait until people are dead and then say 'I knew there was something odd going on'?


Hindsight is always 20/20.

Would you rather live in a police-state?


It isn't a police state not to act on information received and proceed accordingly, it's common sense.



dressing anti-freedom as "common sense" is in itself, frightening.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Opposing every move to even begin to stop the maddness of mass shootings is madness as well.


There was no mass shooting though, this is presuming guilt.


Would you rather wait until people are dead and then say 'I knew there was something odd going on'?


Hindsight is always 20/20.

Would you rather live in a police-state?


It isn't a police state not to act on information received and proceed accordingly, it's common sense.



dressing anti-freedom as "common sense" is in itself, frightening.


I could argue the same about abortion but I know you won't agree, but that's hypocrisy for you isn't it?

So, anti-freedom includes making posts in social media (using other examples) that you are thinking about murder, several times, possibly linking to and 'liking' other posts that praise a particular killing and if/when investigated it is found you also have the means of carrying such a thing out and you are further questioned - you call that 'anti freedom'?

Who's freedom are you more interested in?



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: projectvxn

Who reported him? Was it someone that observed him acting erratically and knew of his stockpile? Was he a credible threat?


The meme he shared was reported. He made no direct threats and gave over and hour of statements to police and continues to cooperate.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted

Everyone's freedom.

Even things I don't agree with, or find offensive.

As long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights, then they should be free to offend.

Anything else is censorship.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

The police didn't know about him at all. It was a shared meme that got him arrested. That's not OK.

You shouldn't call yourself a constitutionalist if you're OK with protected speech being used to go after people in a dragnet.



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: Alchemst7

why doesn't she buy a gun of her own?



posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: gallop

But you don't get arrested just because of Facebook, the FBI did some investigating and found this man to be a credible threat. Now if this man didn't pose a reasonably credible threat then I would voice cause for concern. The article mentions several points that show this guy might have been capable of doing some harm. If the FBI had tips and in some instances they did and acted on them they could have stopped several of the recent mass shooters.


I don't disagree! I'm on the fine line here. We have to stop these people when we see signs of it.

But, then we end up with people, such as the bloke in the UK for posting his dog responding to hitler things.

We've reached the end, really.. we're done. as a species. We can no longer evolved, and instead were being led.

I'm glad my body is decaying at a rate of knots.. I don't want to see the next 20 years.



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