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State doesn't let mom make medical decision for daughter with cancer

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posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Boadicea

Unless you can prove that CBS could cure this girls cancer then it doesn’t really matter what links are in that post.


And if you really gave a rats patootie, you'd be reading those links and finding our for yourself and doing further research... you'd do it for your own knowledge and benefit... you would do it to DENY IGNORANCE.




posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 03:21 PM
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If kids younger than this girl are allowed to make life altering decisions about what gender they think they want to be then a 13 year old should be able to make a decision to not get treatment that is not working and probably making her feel worse.
Sounds contradictory to say kids should be in control of their gender but not in control of their health.



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm



Can you prove that surgery or chemo can cure this girls cancer?


I am not her doctor nor do I know the specifics of her illness so i am unable to make any kind of assessment of what her chances would be. Typically though if a child is being offered surgery on the risk/benefit must be balanced in such a way as her doctors believe that this will either extend her life or provide a cure.



Not sure how old you are. I'm old enough to have known enough people that have died from cancer. 100% did chemo.


Would now be a good time to tell you I work in a hospital....seen more people die than I can count from cancer and also my own family members but am not sure how that matters.



I also know two people that have refused (one being told she had a very slim chance of survival), they are both very much alive.


Anecdotal and not evidence and as someone who works in healthcare its evidence that I am interested.

So really the question at the heart of this debate is can you prove that CBD is going to cure her cancer or extend her life beyond that of traditional contemporary medical intervention?

Again I await you peer reviewed published evidence that directly answers this question.


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posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin




Would now be a good time to tell you I work in a hospital....seen more people die I can count from cancer and family members but am not sure how that matters.


Would now be a good time to tell you I worked for Big Pharma for a decade and and I can't count the number of people that have died from "Safe, FDA approved, Tested" pharmaceuticals.




Would now be a good time to tell you I work in a hospital....seen more people die I can count from cancer and family members but am not sure how that matters.


Um, you are kinda proving our point.. maybe some of those people would have lived with alternative methods!



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 03:29 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: rickymouse



About ten to fifteen people can get cytokine storms from the flu vaccine, which can result in them dying


Hang on ten to fifteen people, in what a year, a decade, out of 100, or out of a million?

A nice double blinded peer reviewed article to back up your claims would be just lovely.


ten to fifteen percent of people would get reactions off of the vaccine, but most of those reactions are not cytokine storms. I got the information kind of messed up, I should have said ten to fifteen percent of people who do not presently get vaccines would probably get cytokine storms.. sorry.

If the CDC, the FDA, and Mayo Clinic state cytokine storms exist and people who get them from vaccines should not get them, why would I give you double blinded articles. Even the biggest medical sites in the western world says it is happening. The Pharma companies also have this listed on their sites that state do not get the vaccine if you have ever got real sick from it. It is not a secret, it is not a conspiracy, most doctors know about this, most nurses do not. When you fill out the paper for the vaccine it asks you on the paper if you have ever had a bad reaction or flu like symptoms after getting the vaccine. My wife gets shots at the senior center or health department, she says no, I would have to say yes. I have been told by multiple doctors never to get the flu vaccine and to keep an eye on how other vaccinations react, I also have problems with the DTAP but not with the regular tetnus shot.

If you get a cytokine storm from a shot, it means you already have immunity to the disease. If you kill it quickly, how can you give the flu to others?



I never get a storm from getting the flu, I rarely get the flu and it is gone in a day or two , the wife usually hates me because she is miserable for weeks.



Cytokine storms do not start right away, no closing of the throat, that is the egg allergy that does that, but the egg allergy can also lead to a cytokine storm too. It usually takes a couple of days after the shot before everything goes to hell and it lasts a week.


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posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Question:

Are you claiming that Cannabinoids alone will cure cancer ?

Yes or no.

Follow up question, if yes:

Can you please provide me with some peer reviewed studies that support this claim.

And no am not interested in looking over your previous threads.



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha




1st, 2nd and 3rd medical opinions all agreed that the child needed surgery.


that doesn't F'n matter one damn bit anyone that thinks otherwise is a legit NAZI. and a POS.

the state is not in charge of anyone's bodies. period.

or did we learn dick from the 50s and forced electroshock and lobotomies for unruly wives.



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Yeah I know what a cytokine storm is thats why I was pretty shocked by your claim so thank you for clarifying.

Truth is the number of people who come to actual harm caused by a flu shot is so low the risk of getting the vaccine for pretty much the entire population (yes some exceptions such as yourself) is so low it does not justify not getting the shot.
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posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

Ok a challenge for you Miss Big-Pharma (Which honestly doesn't matter one dot)

Show me a actual study that proves the flowing...

"Cannabinoids alone will cure/extend this particular liver cancer with greater efficacy than contemporary medicine"

If you can't you have no argument.
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posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 04:01 PM
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I worked for a cancer firm in IT department. The same one that treated my father. The medicine definitely killed him faster than if he took nothing or live more naturally or alternative medicine. The doctor's wife died a year to the day after my father of the same cancer.

I gathered some information and found out more information than I bargained for. I also got friendly with some of the female office staff and representatives. I'm more than confirmed they didn't have the patience best interest in almost any case. They were more out to have the right balance of treatments to keep funding and maximizing profit. Some of my digging brought me to this conclusion but more than five people in the business confirmed to me this same conclusion.

They were also very reckless with the funds they received. As well as back then the drug Representatives bribed and gave as much as they could to get their drug in the center.

one of the girls figured out or caught me fooling around with one of the other girls got mad and shortly after I was fired for undisclosed reasons.

The whole department was very very shady and human resources seemed more worried about not letting information get out more than anything.

I have plenty more details but I'll leave it at that. There is no real fighting it.



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: randomthoughts12

What drug was it out of curiosity?



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: randomthoughts12

If you don't have an actual study some people would never believe it. I think you and I know the same thing.
Scary stuff.



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: randomthoughts12

If you don't have an actual study some people would never believe it. I think you and I know the same thing.
Scary stuff.



pft yeah!

Who needs scientific evidence eh?



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Thanks. I'll read through that as time allows.



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Also the flu vax might kill a tiny number of people through anaphylaxis but it will save many more.


Sounds like a scary, high-capacity assault drug that our caring lawmakers need to ban for our own safety. There's nothing in the Constitution that says we have a right to biological weapons of mass destruction.

If it will save just one life ...



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: randomthoughts12

No doubt wherever lots of money is in play there will be bad actors involved. I'm not sure how that would mean that CBD would cure a form of liver cancer? Seems like a separate topic to me.

If CBD is what it's claimed to be, there will be people jumping on board and paying for real studies if for no other reason, it's a potential profitable business. If it's just hype and wishful thinking by the weed crowd, it will go nowhere and it seems to be going nowhere for now.

I'd hope there will be valid studies to determine it's benefits and with CBD now being legal, if it does not happen now, it's kind of obvious there is not enough evidence yet to spur studies to happen.

I'm highly doubtful the girl this conversation is about would see any benefit from CBD. Perhaps its really just the mom knowing her daughter will likely die regardless, is just trying to give her hope, false or not. Obviously she's not a bad person, just not reacting rationally. The legal system has no choice but to rule in the child's best interest.



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

Is it that you believe CBD is and actual cure for that form of liver cancer, or that you simply don't trust the pharmaceutical industry? Sounds like the second option to me. You don't trust them, therefore CBD cures cancer?

I wholeheartedly agree that pharma and some doctors are just in it for the money and not the patients, but that does not make CBD a cure all drug. Imagine how it looks to most of us that CBD is being argued to be the cure everything miracle with out any acceptable proof. It's more like the religion of CBD.

I tried CBD for pain. It did nothing for me at all. I have no problem with it, but doubt its what it's touted to be.

Clearly for some kinds of seizures and tremors it works. The medical community is coming around on that topic which is good. I don't think the cure all idea is helpful though and certainly not when a childs life is on the line.



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

CBD is not a cure-all drug for anything, since if you want to battle and cure cancer then you also need to make lifestyle changes that not a lot of people want to do... they just want a magic pill they can take with their cheeseburger and fries and be cured.

I'd recommend looking up the documentaries on RSO and as a side-protocol Essiac tea and Paw-Paw.

My wife was given 6-8 months to live about 5 years ago... her cancer doesn't respond to chemo or radiation but she followed the doctor's orders... and then was given about 6 weeks to live.

She didn't accept that, we did some research, changed some things and now the Cancer Board is following her progress closely with what we are doing.

They are calling it spontaneous remission and have no medical explanation for it.

Point is... you can put your head down, follow what the Doctors say or you can take responsibility for it, do your research and go from there.

The Doctors in our case are wrong.

Because they don't really know anything about "curing" cancer.

There's no money in that.

All I care about is that she's alive and doing quite well...

But the Doctors know better.

pphhttt



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Chemo kills many people too



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Chemo kills many people too



So does paracetamol what’s your point?



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