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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The only way to stop this problem is to shoot to kill.
Originally posted by Netchicken
SkipShipman you are falling down Oops's hole of idealizing something that actually has no redeaming value whatsoever. Sure in the 60's and 70's it may have, but they were a generation trying to get their political messages out.
However now grafitti, or more precicely tagging, is nothing more than vandalism with paint. There is no more artistic or cultural merit than that of a dog marking his territory.
There is no message, except "I was here" "I am bored". "Please shoot me I''m an idiot," or "my gang of socially maladjusted adolescents are trying to gain an ego boost by pretending we own this piece of public space".
Originally posted by AmericanWerewolf
looks to me like u havent ever seen good tags
society now in some light may be blotting out graffiti due to its pertinence.
The "war against graffiti," although for the sake of beauty, is really a drive for uniformity
These places where it is legal to graffiti are sometimes horrible. One I visited last year had syringes scattered about.
Originally posted by SkipShipman
In Nazi-occupied Poland,
Whether we know it or not, we exist in an escalating pattern towards tyranny,
as a response to tyranny, not simply some delinquency stereotype.
Is government becoming more like NAZIs absent the "anti-semitism," substituting "muslims?"[/'quote]
I don't see how, since they aren't inciting anti-mulsim attacks and are specifically meeting with and including muslims in talks on the sitaution.
So when you deface an unjust system such as NAZI occupied Poland during WW II, is such a thing justified?
Sure, its justified. So is strangling nazi soldiers and civilians in their beds, or releasing mustard gas in their barracks.
One could consider those Polish youth as justified today, but why?
I don't think anyone, even the nazis, thought that their grafiti was unjustified.
At what point would anyone consider "tagging," to be the "canary in the coal mine?"
It shouldn't ever be considered such. its vandalism. Destruction of private property and public property is vandalism. It can't serve as a canary, beacause its illegal to begin with. Now if they were ripping down offensive art in private galleries or burning books, I'd say there's a problem. But arresting dumbass kids who fancy themselves 'rebels' for smearing # on walls? No, hardly a concern, except when they aren't arresting enough of them.
I reject mindlessness
Then you should, and probably do, reject most grafiti. Come on, its almost all crap, unintelligeble garbage overlapping on itself mutliple layers thick. Its not art, its not 'rebellion', its crime. Maybe one could say that there's a rebellion element for a harlem youth who's going nowhere got nothing and hemmed in on all sides by 'the system and the man'. Sure, thats debatable, no matter how crappy their gibberish is. But suburban youthes or middle class kids who have nothing better to do so they pretend to be radicals, pretend to be sticking it to 'the system and the man'? Come one, those are the very people that make up the system, that are supported by it and that are enriched by it, which is why they don't ave to choose between buying food or spray paint. They are 'the man'.