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Sgrena contradicts the US: the car wasn't speeding

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posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
a few points about sgrena:

- her reports filter the impact of conflict through the lives of ordinary people
- shewas one of the founders of the peace movement in the 1980s
- she refused to become embedded with the u.s. military during the war
- she interviewed an iraqi woman who said she was held at abu ghraib prison for 80 days by u.s. forces
- sgrena's outspoken anti-war stance should have endeared her to iraqi insurgents fighting the u.s.-led forces
- she told italian radio of the "rain of fire" on her car, which she said was not going particularly fast.
- she told her colleagues that her captors "never treated me badly"


now for a few questions:

who held her hostage? and what was the motive?
why was such a high profile, newly released hostage, not given a military escort to the airport?
or was she given a military escort to the airport?
why was there no radio contact to the US checkpoint warning of her passage?


You conveniently forgot to mention that she writes for "Il Manifesto", which is Italy's leading communist newspaper. If there was anyone with an ax to grind against the U.S. and therefore had a reason to fabricate the "facts" it would be her. Look at her comment that her captors never treated her badly. Wasn't it just last week that there was film of her pleading that she was really suffering and needed help NOW?

Partial truth is not the whole truth. You need all the truth in order to deny ignorance.


[edit on 3/6/2005 by centurion1211]




posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
You conveniently forgot to mention that she writes for "Il Manifesto", which is Italy's leading communist newspaper. If there was anyone with an ax to grind against the U.S. and therefore a reason to fabricate the "facts" it would be her. Look at her comment that her captors never treated her badly. Wasn't it just last week that there was film of her pleading that she needed help NOW?

Partial truth is not the whole truth. You need all the truth in order to deny ignorance.


Have you heard of her claims being disputed by the Italian agents who were in the car with her?
Have you heard her claims being disputed by the US ally Berlusconi?

I haven't.
If she were out there telling blatant lies they would step forward and say so.


[edit on 6-3-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by centurion1211
You conveniently forgot to mention that she writes for "Il Manifesto", which is Italy's leading communist newspaper. If there was anyone with an ax to grind against the U.S. and therefore a reason to fabricate the "facts" it would be her. Look at her comment that her captors never treated her badly. Wasn't it just last week that there was film of her pleading that she needed help NOW?

Partial truth is not the whole truth. You need all the truth in order to deny ignorance.


Have you heard of her claims being disputed by the Italian agents who were in the car with her?
Have you heard her claims being disputed by the US ally Berlusconi?

I haven't.
If she were out there telling blatant lies they would step forward and say so.


[edit on 6-3-2005 by AceOfBase]


If they wanted her dead, she would be dead. That fact is almost undeniable and that she is still alive is evidence that this is an unfortunate accident.

And she does not have to be blatantly or intentionally lying for her account to differ from those of the US troops firing on the car. It appears that each group percieved the situation differently at the moment it happened and that's how accidents such as this occur.



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 02:26 PM
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If they wanted her dead, she would be dead. That fact is almost undeniable and that she is still alive is evidence that this is an unfortunate accident.


False. Explained here:

Was Fatima's shield 700 m from the Baghdad Airport? (protecting Giuliana Sgrena and at least 4 intelligence officers)
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by MattMarriott


If they wanted her dead, she would be dead. That fact is almost undeniable and that she is still alive is evidence that this is an unfortunate accident.


False. Explained here:

Was Fatima's shield 700 m from the Baghdad Airport? (protecting Giuliana Sgrena and at least 4 intelligence officers)
www.abovetopsecret.com...


I see. I simply was under the impression the US could have riddled that car with enough bullets that the biggest piece of it would fit in a shoebox. But, alas, I see the error of my argument.



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 04:52 PM
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Well, I agree they probably did not intentionally try to kill her, or they did a horrible job.
Either way, they screwed up (again).

Yes, its a warzone, but who's fault is that? Constantly killing the innocent people you are supposed to protect is very counterproductive.


[edit on 6-3-2005 by freeb]



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 07:23 PM
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There are always 2 sides to every story.

Here is a article by someone very familar with checkpoints.

www.csmonitor.com...

As soon as the news of this happened, I knew it would be used as fodder for the "blame America 1st crowd". It could have easily been Al-Zarquowi in the vehicle, but instead it was some communist journalist.

[edit on 6-3-2005 by Carseller4]



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 06:32 AM
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March 7, as once again the illuminati organise a state funeral for the hero that they just murdered and it is clear that the plan was to kill not only Sgrena but EVERYONE in the car - read full story

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
a few points about sgrena:

- her reports filter the impact of conflict through the lives of ordinary people
- shewas one of the founders of the peace movement in the 1980s
- she refused to become embedded with the u.s. military during the war
- she interviewed an iraqi woman who said she was held at abu ghraib prison for 80 days by u.s. forces
- sgrena's outspoken anti-war stance should have endeared her to iraqi insurgents fighting the u.s.-led forces
- she told italian radio of the "rain of fire" on her car, which she said was not going particularly fast.
- she told her colleagues that her captors "never treated me badly"


now for a few questions:

who held her hostage? and what was the motive?
why was such a high profile, newly released hostage, not given a military escort to the airport?
or was she given a military escort to the airport?
why was there no radio contact to the US checkpoint warning of her passage?


You left out a few things about this "reporter"

"Before joining Il Manifesto, she worked for the daily Guerra e Pace (War and Peace), but she made her name at the communist newspaper mainly through her avowed affinity with the Arab world."

news.bbc.co.uk...

Can someone spell "agenda"................



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

now for a few questions:

who held her hostage? and what was the motive?
why was such a high profile, newly released hostage, not given a military escort to the airport?
or was she given a military escort to the airport?
why was there no radio contact to the US checkpoint warning of her passage?


Seems others are catching on to this woman's alleged abduction to be a hoax:

Was abduction a hoax?

Could it be her game of lies had an unexpected tragic ending?



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by SourGrapes

Originally posted by Souljah

now for a few questions:

who held her hostage? and what was the motive?
why was such a high profile, newly released hostage, not given a military escort to the airport?
or was she given a military escort to the airport?
why was there no radio contact to the US checkpoint warning of her passage?


Seems others are catching on to this woman's alleged abduction to be a hoax:

Was abduction a hoax?

Could it be her game of lies had an unexpected tragic ending?


If the payment of $1,000,000 ransom is true, then she has aided the terrorist by scamming her own "abduction". Based on her history, I would have to vote "yes", she was helping terrorist raise money......



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
Can someone spell "agenda"................


can someone spell "Gannongate"?



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 07:36 AM
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I find this "woman" and her story completely lacking of credibility. I wouldn't doubt the story that the whole thing was a fabrication and she's responsible for aiding terrorists. At the very least she's a communist hack with an anti-American agenda.



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
Could it be her game of lies had an unexpected tragic ending?

If the payment of $1,000,000 ransom is true, then she has aided the terrorist by scamming her own "abduction". Based on her history, I would have to vote "yes", she was helping terrorist raise money......

i have another theory, which you, doctor, wont like:

maybe the american forces abducted her.
or some "extremists" sponsored by american forces.
just to scare her off, not to be too nosy and too courious.
not to "get involved" with the iraqi war.
just a theory.


[edit on 7-3-2005 by Souljah]



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
i have another theory...maybe the american forces abducted her....just to scare her off, not to be too nosy and too courious.


Good theory, but why then try to assassinate her after letting her go?



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by wecomeinpeace

Originally posted by Souljah
i have another theory...maybe the american forces abducted her....just to scare her off, not to be too nosy and too courious.


Good theory, but why then try to assassinate her after letting her go?

something went wrong.
this italian agent is a mystery to me.
why exactly him? they guy that was assigned to rescue her?
maybe they just wanted to "get him" and let her live?
you always leave one to tell the story.
the driver is not important.
and there were rumors of "a forth passenger", whatever happened to him?
or maybe he was the reason for "friendly fire"?



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
I find this "woman" and her story completely lacking of credibility. I wouldn't doubt the story that the whole thing was a fabrication and she's responsible for aiding terrorists. At the very least she's a communist hack with an anti-American agenda.


hehehe,
nicely put mister djohnsto77;
your worst nightmare:
-a communist
-an anti-american agenda
-anti-war
-a journalist
-a woman

a real pain in the a** for you, huh?
i am really amazed that she is alive at all!



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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hehehe,
nicely put miss Souljah;
your hero:
-a communist
-an anti-american agenda
-anti-war
-a journalist
-a woman

a real point of pride for you, huh?



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND
hehehe,
nicely put miss Souljah;
your hero:
-a communist
-an anti-american agenda
-anti-war
-a journalist
-a woman

a real point of pride for you, huh?


touche.



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 05:08 PM
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Sgrena contradicts herself....now see doesn't think she was intentionally targeted.

news.independent.co.uk...

from the article...

In an interview with The Independent, her partner, Pier Scolari, said: "None of us is so stupid as to think the Americans did it on purpose.

After the shooting, she said: "A soldier opened the door on the right-hand side. When he saw us, I had the impression that he was upset. I seem to remember him saying, 'Oh #!' And when more turned up in an armoured car, I had the sensation that they were unhappy about what had happened."



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