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JUST IN: Trump defunds Planned Parenthood

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posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

Thanks for posting that, it perfectly sums up what happened here.




posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

That's not what happened. The new regulation stated that you couldn't refer abortion as an option under any circumstances and still be eligible for Title X.

Do you believe there are no instances where abortion is a viable option?



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Bluntone22

You mean like Obamacare provided and the Right vehemently argued against until Trump removed said funding?


Yes, that's why the right defunded Obamacare...
Subsidized birth control....

Yup... uh huh..


Are you against subsidized birth control?

I hope no one here is dumb enough to be against subsidized birth control and site monetary reasons because if those people can't afford birth control they sure as hell can't afford a kid which means it will cost taxpayers a hell of a lot of money if they do have children.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Once again Trump panders to his ignorant base instead of bashing decisions off of facts.

Can't wait for the number of new AIDS cases to explode just like what happened in Indiana when Pence defunded PP.


Planned Parenthood have plenty of their own money to continue operations.
They spent tax payer money on lobbying and pushing their political agenda. It's fair that they have been defunded.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Using that logic you also think every pharmacy should shut down.

Pharmacies also rely on federal funding to exist. Misoprostol is a drug that is stocked in almost every pharmacy. Misoprostol is commonly prescribed as an abortifacient.

So if you truly believe your previous argument, then you must also believe that it holds true for the vast majority of pharmacies.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Guyfriday

For many people in rural areas PP is the most convenient option. They specialize in a certain branch of medicine and provide their services to communities where the next nearest option is an hour away.

This is an interesting point. If this was ok'd, then what's to stop other groups from having similar demands met? Should it be ok to have a group provide gender re-assignment facilities that include both counseling and medical services to people? How about other sexual related treatment centers? To me this is the issue, that everyone was giving money to a service that was designed for a very selective target group.
Thank you putting your explanation out here for us though, it makes it a bit easier to see where you're coming from in your argument.



As I said earlier in this thread, this move doesn't really affect the urban voters that generally go Democrat. They do have other, albeit maybe lesser options, like free clinics. This affects the poor, rural, people that tend to vote Republican.


I don't see the political issue with this, since it is a bit moot. I bet all political groups use the service as much as the other side does.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Do you believe there are no instances where abortion is a viable option?


There are legitimate reasons and scenarios where abortion is necessary and these are to be completely separated from covert social engineering policies or irresponsible decisions where no health issues are present.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

News Headline:

Most Racist President Ever prevents Hundreds of Thousands of BOC (babies of color) from being killed. White Supremacists disavow Trump, costing him 12,000 votes Nationwide.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:32 PM
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Let's see where your headspace is at? PP's government funding comes in the form of Medicaid. The majority of this funding goes to the Midwest. How do you think poor, rural, Midwesterners (aka a key part of Trump's base) are going to react when they can no longer go to their most convenient medical facility?


Link please.




Should we also "defund" hospitals that perform abortions? I mean isn't that the justification for defunding PP? They perform abortions even though no government money goes to pay for those abortions. So clearly we should also disallow hospitals that perform abortions from receiving Medicaid patients.


If hospitals can do it why is PP doing it?




Hell, why stop there? We should just ban the poor from receiving any kind of medical treatment. That seems to be the mentality of the Right at this point.


You certainly missed a few steps in between cutting PP funding and Trump wants to not let poor people have medical treatment. Your using meme logic, are you aware of that?
edit on 19-8-2019 by highvein because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:35 PM
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Planned Parenthood will withdraw from Title X, the federal family planning program, rather than comply with a new Trump administration rule that restricts what health providers can say about abortion, the organization said on Monday.

The move could affect more than 1.5 million low-income women who rely on Planned Parenthood for services like birth control, pregnancy tests and screening for sexually transmitted diseases. Planned Parenthood serves about 40 percent of the four million patients under Title X. In some rural communities, Planned Parenthood is the only provider of such services.

The Trump administration’s rule says that while clinics accepting Title X funds may continue to talk to patients about abortion, they may not refer women to an abortion provider or suggest where to obtain an abortion.

That distinction might seem like a subtle one, but Planned Parenthood and many other organizations, including the American Medical Association, say the restriction would force them to withhold medical information from patients, interferes with the doctor-patient relationship, and could deny pregnant women the range of options available to
them

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So .... PP worried that Trump's new rule will force them to withhold medical information from patients decides to instead withhold medical treatment for possibly up to 1.5 million low-income women who rely on Planned Parenthood?

That makes a lot of sense.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

The MIC have plenty of their own money to continue operations.
They spent tax payer money on lobbying and pushing their political agenda. It's fair that they have been defunded.

The oil industry have plenty of their own money to continue operations.
They spent tax payer money on lobbying and pushing their political agenda. It's fair that they have been defunded.

Do you also agree with these two statements?



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: Guyfriday

Sex reassignment isn't covered by federal funds. That's what stops those facilities from doing something similar.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

Good. There are plenty of DNC and Hollywood millionaires that can fund PP if they're that concerned.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

Those legitimate reasons weren't specified in the regulation. It was an all or nothing mandate. That's why PP opposed it.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:42 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Once again Trump panders to his ignorant base instead of bashing decisions off of facts.

Can't wait for the number of new AIDS cases to explode just like what happened in Indiana when Pence defunded PP.


How does defunding an abortion clinic lead to AIDS? Do the fathers of the children (no longer being aborted at the cost of the tax payers) become gay and catch AIDS or something?



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Trump single handedly just encouraged young women to vote. Roe v. Wade has always been a loosing proposition for the GOP.

www.usatoday.com...


Until democrats went full retard and started pushing full term abortions. Then women realized how little the democrats cared.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: LSU2018

Abortion services are a minor aspect of what PP does and it is not covered by federal funds. On the other hand, STI screening is a key service provided by PP and that is covered by federal funds.

If your big sticking point is abortions then why can't Trump just cut federal funding to PP for said abortions. Granted that's something that is already in place.

What do you gain by denying basic healthcare to people that rely on PP?



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Guyfriday

Sex reassignment isn't covered by federal funds. That's what stops those facilities from doing something similar.


That's my point though. If one thing is allowed by acceptance, then the other should be as well. PP would have a very hard time arguing a case for gender reassignment surgeries to be allowed, but a different group could come in and offer up a case that could allow for that service to be administered. As long as one type of perceived help is governmentally funded why not allow for the other.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Bluntone22

So you've completely forgotten that the Right specifically argued against the birth control mandate and that was the first item on Trump's chopping block?


Why shouldn't it be? My wife, when she was on it several years ago, paid for her own BC out of her own pocket even though she was insured. It was $50 bucks a month. If you can't afford $50 a month, you certainly can't afford to get pregnant.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi

I hope no one here is dumb enough to be against subsidized birth control and site monetary reasons because if those people can't afford birth control they sure as hell can't afford a kid which means it will cost taxpayers a hell of a lot of money if they do have children.


We all need to understand there are a lot more clinics around than just PP, and this is something that should be left at the state level. If CA wants to pay for abortions then great so be it, if TX wants to pay for birth control and not abortions then so be it too. This is what makes a Republic so great.







 
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