It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

JUST IN: Trump defunds Planned Parenthood

page: 28
68
<< 25  26  27    29  30  31 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 09:50 AM
link   
a reply to: shooterbrody

Read the responses I am getting..
You might not have called me an irresponsible nymphomaniac but someone inferred it!
And I've been talking about those cases where there's a complication in the pregnancy, just using my experience as an example throughout this thread. Just to be accused of not giving the man any input. But, in cases such as what I an talking about, should the man have the right to force the women to carry the child to term? And just what would that say about any man who would chose to do that?

The maternal death rate is rising in this country. And, I posted links in a previous discussion that seems to show an uncanny relationship between that rise and the increasing rise in the hospitals being eaten up be conglomerates that run under the umbrella of the catholic church...
The doctors in those hospitals cant terminate a pregnancy either, they will let a women endure the pain of miscarriage as long as there is a heartbeat, have been known to refuse to sterilized a cancer patient during a c-section against the doctors medical advice.
They have neglected to inform women their is no hope for the baby to survive, transferred them to hospitals that will terminate the pregnancy and neglecting to send the medicals records with them.
And, now they have the strong arm of the govt trying to force other hospitals and clinics to give similar treatment. Unable to refer the women to a place where they can terminate the pregnancy. By some articles I read, unable to recommend abortion as the best option.
So, how does that work when a patient walks into a clinic, has a sonagram that shows an entropic pregnancy? Does the doctor just open up one of his medical books to entropic pregnancy for her to read and tells her how sorry he is but he cant recommend what her next move should be or refer her to someone who can but he suggests he figures it out soon... then two blocks away from the doctors office the fallopian tube bursts, causing her to lose control of the car and slam head on into a school bus carrying 20 or so kids and killing a few..
Ya, I know that probably wouldn't happen, but gagging the doctor is posing unnecessary risks for no danged reason whatsoever since the treatment of an entropic pregnancy is termination of the pregnancy and the end result of leaving it untreated will never result in a healthy pregnancy. The most likely outcome would be a sudden bursting of the tube followed by a quick death!!




posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:05 AM
link   
a reply to: dawnstar



You might not have called me an irresponsible nymphomaniac but someone inferred it!

someone inferred it........
mkay
thanks



then two blocks away from the doctors office the fallopian tube bursts, causing her to lose control of the car and slam head on into a school bus carrying 20 or so kids and killing a few..

when you have to stretch that far.........

have a nice day



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:12 AM
link   
a reply to: shooterbrody

You have a nice day too..
Didn't really expect this thread to be any but the useless demonization of the pregnant women anyways.
edit on 21-8-2019 by dawnstar because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:18 AM
link   

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: shooterbrody

You have a nice day too..
Didn't really expect this thread to be any but the useless demonization of the pregnant women anyways.


Threads such as these always end up the same - blaming women, even to the point of male politicians asking for the death penalty for women that have legal abortions. Handmaid's Tale.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:32 AM
link   
a reply to: InTheLight

Ya, but in the handmaids tale they at least recognize the handmaid's value enough that they would probably treat an entropic pregnancy as soon as they discovered it, which if caught early enough just involves a couple of pills that will induce a miscarriage. They wouldn't be waiting around till they can honestly say that oh, look, the Folupian tube is damaged and needs to be remove. So sad that scar tissue might end up reducing her chances of becoming pregnant again. Which is the approach of some of the catholic hospitals. And, they probably wouldn't be trying to bar their doctors from ending the pregnancy by threatening to defund them for treating it.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:35 AM
link   
a reply to: Xcalibur254
So Trump is now responsible for individuals sexual appetite or choice. How is AIDS going to explode. Because private clinics cant afford autoclaves? Stop with the back alley BS. I bet you cry and scream over children at the border but have no problem with a midterm or late term abortion where heads are crushed and arms and legs pulled off. Typical leftist non-logic.

I do not think the American taxpayer is responsible to pay for abortion. If insurance companies do not pay for them why should the US government?



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:40 AM
link   

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: InTheLight

Ya, but in the handmaids tale they at least recognize the handmaid's value enough that they would probably treat an entropic pregnancy as soon as they discovered it, which if caught early enough just involves a couple of pills that will induce a miscarriage. They wouldn't be waiting around till they can honestly say that oh, look, the Folupian tube is damaged and needs to be remove. So sad that scar tissue might end up reducing her chances of becoming pregnant again. Which is the approach of some of the catholic hospitals. And, they probably wouldn't be trying to bar their doctors from ending the pregnancy by threatening to defund them for treating it.


We all know women's health has been largely ignored.

This article parrots what you have been trying to say. You are not alone in your opinions.



After a while, the true-life horror stories women tell about their struggles to get reproductive health care start to bleed together. They almost always feature some variation on the same character: the doctor who waves a hand and says, “You’ll be fine,” or “That’s just in your head,” or “Take a Tylenol.” They follow an ominous three-act structure, in which a woman expresses concern about a sexual or reproductive issue to a doctor; the doctor demurs; later, after either an obstacle course of doctor visits or a nightmare scenario coming to life, a physician at last acknowledges her pain was real and present the whole time. Sometimes there’s a quietly gloomy boyfriend or husband in a secondary-character role, frustrated by the strain his partner’s health issue is putting on their intimacy.

“Perhaps it parallels what’s changing in our society,” Sherif says. “When we shine a light in those dirty, dark corners, I think it may give us courage to shed light on other things.”


www.theatlantic.com...



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:43 AM
link   

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LSU2018

Abortion services are a minor aspect of what PP does and it is not covered by federal funds. On the other hand, STI screening is a key service provided by PP and that is covered by federal funds.

If your big sticking point is abortions then why can't Trump just cut federal funding to PP for said abortions. Granted that's something that is already in place.

What do you gain by denying basic healthcare to people that rely on PP?


PP's main goal is to stop undesirables from procreating. Right out of Margaret's Manifesto. Abortion, birth control, sterilization, any means necessary.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:51 AM
link   
a reply to: InTheLight



We all know women's health has been largely ignored.

wow
that is just ignorant



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:52 AM
link   

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: InTheLight



We all know women's health has been largely ignored.

wow
that is just ignorant




Read the articles and learn.



Going forward, rigorous, collaborative and innovative research in reproductive health could lead to better birth control, safer clinical protocols and more personalized care. Filling these gaps is vital not just for the well-being of women but for the health of society.


www.scientificamerican.com...

The supposed ignorance just goes on and on.

www.scientificamerican.com...
edit on 18CDT10America/Chicago058101031 by InTheLight because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:56 AM
link   
a reply to: Ansuzrune

"I do not think American taxpayers should be paying to help uninsured women obtain birth control, pap smears, or any other health need that concerns their reproductive system. It was their bad choice to be born a women and now they can live with the consequences of that choice."

Tried to fix it for ya, maybe I got it wrong, but what you posted was more wrong.
The only time federal money is being used to help with abortion is in cases where the womens health or life is in danger, their is a problem with the fetus that makes the viability of the pregnancy questionable, or there's rape or incest involved. So, which one of these do you find more objectionable than federal money being used to run a funny nosed kid to the doctor every other month or so just so mom can be assured her kid is okay?



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 11:00 AM
link   

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: InTheLight



We all know women's health has been largely ignored.

wow
that is just ignorant




Read the articles and learn.



Going forward, rigorous, collaborative and innovative research in reproductive health could lead to better birth control, safer clinical protocols and more personalized care. Filling these gaps is vital not just for the well-being of women but for the health of society.


www.scientificamerican.com...

The supposed ignorance just goes on and on.

www.scientificamerican.com...


Cool, but taking other people's money to pay for abortion services is a clear no no.
That's been made crystal clear.
Planned Parenthood have decided to defund themselves as they don;t want to play by the rules.
Blame them.


edit on 21/8/2019 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 11:07 AM
link   

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: InTheLight



We all know women's health has been largely ignored.

wow
that is just ignorant




Read the articles and learn.



Going forward, rigorous, collaborative and innovative research in reproductive health could lead to better birth control, safer clinical protocols and more personalized care. Filling these gaps is vital not just for the well-being of women but for the health of society.


www.scientificamerican.com...

The supposed ignorance just goes on and on.

www.scientificamerican.com...


Cool, but taking other people's money to pay for abortion services is a clear no no.
That's been made crystal clear.
Planned Parenthood have decided to defund themselves as they don;t want to play by the rules.
Blame them.



Who's rules?



Planned Parenthood, however, views abortion as a form of health care—and seems to see an advantage in escalating the fight over Title X. “I think the real audience for this is women who vote,” Murray said. “Here’s a very concrete example of what happens when you wage a war on women and women’s health. This is about sticking it to people who want abortions? Well, everyone is paying.” Indeed, in her statements about the organization’s decision to withdraw from Title X, McGill Johnson relied heavily on the language of battle. Planned Parenthood sees this rule as an “attack on reproductive-health care,” for example, and will “fight” it in court. “Our patients deserve to make their own health-care decisions, not to be forced to have Donald Trump or Mike Pence make those decisions for them,” she said. “This is the time for all who believe that a person’s zip code and income should not determine one’s access to health care to raise their voices.”


www.theatlantic.com...



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 11:14 AM
link   
a reply to: UKTruth

Planned parenthood has been investigated time after time, if they had been misppropriating the federal funds and diverting the money into the abortions, it would have been discovered and the govt would have just cause to not only defund the title x money but the Medicaid also. Why haven't they done that? Why resort to what is essentially coercion and withhold the smaller portion that is title x?
The reason is that after all this investigation, that cant prove what you are claiming!!

I have tried to explain why no doctor should accept these new rules. There are cases where terminating a pregnancy is the best option to reccomend to a women. A doctor is selling his soul for that small pittance of money if he gives up his ability to not only provide this service to her but even recommend it and refer her to someone who will..



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 11:24 AM
link   

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: UKTruth

Planned parenthood has been investigated time after time, if they had been misppropriating the federal funds and diverting the money into the abortions, it would have been discovered and the govt would have just cause to not only defund the title x money but the Medicaid also. Why haven't they done that? Why resort to what is essentially coercion and withhold the smaller portion that is title x?
The reason is that after all this investigation, that cant prove what you are claiming!!

I have tried to explain why no doctor should accept these new rules. There are cases where terminating a pregnancy is the best option to reccomend to a women. A doctor is selling his soul for that small pittance of money if he gives up his ability to not only provide this service to her but even recommend it and refer her to someone who will..


You are still not getting it.
PP decided to withdraw from the funding source.
So they obviously think themelves that they are no complying and they have no intention to.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 11:26 AM
link   

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: InTheLight



We all know women's health has been largely ignored.

wow
that is just ignorant




Read the articles and learn.



Going forward, rigorous, collaborative and innovative research in reproductive health could lead to better birth control, safer clinical protocols and more personalized care. Filling these gaps is vital not just for the well-being of women but for the health of society.


www.scientificamerican.com...

The supposed ignorance just goes on and on.

www.scientificamerican.com...


Cool, but taking other people's money to pay for abortion services is a clear no no.
That's been made crystal clear.
Planned Parenthood have decided to defund themselves as they don;t want to play by the rules.
Blame them.



Who's rules?



Planned Parenthood, however, views abortion as a form of health care—and seems to see an advantage in escalating the fight over Title X. “I think the real audience for this is women who vote,” Murray said. “Here’s a very concrete example of what happens when you wage a war on women and women’s health. This is about sticking it to people who want abortions? Well, everyone is paying.” Indeed, in her statements about the organization’s decision to withdraw from Title X, McGill Johnson relied heavily on the language of battle. Planned Parenthood sees this rule as an “attack on reproductive-health care,” for example, and will “fight” it in court. “Our patients deserve to make their own health-care decisions, not to be forced to have Donald Trump or Mike Pence make those decisions for them,” she said. “This is the time for all who believe that a person’s zip code and income should not determine one’s access to health care to raise their voices.”


www.theatlantic.com...


THE rules.

The rule, which went into effect in May, bans Title X family planning providers from referring patients for abortion care and also requires facilities to financially and physically separate Title X services from abortion services, meaning abortion care must be billed separately and conducted in a separate physical space from the program’s family planning services.


Title X funding is not for abortions.
It's PP who have decided to defund themselves and thus reduce their capacity to provide non abortion services without getting new investment.
The funds they were gettingcan go to another provider of womens health services.

You're not fooling anyone. The shrieks of victimhood is ALL about abortion and blind support for Planned Parenthood, nothing more.
edit on 21/8/2019 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 11:32 AM
link   

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: InTheLight



We all know women's health has been largely ignored.

wow
that is just ignorant




Read the articles and learn.



Going forward, rigorous, collaborative and innovative research in reproductive health could lead to better birth control, safer clinical protocols and more personalized care. Filling these gaps is vital not just for the well-being of women but for the health of society.


www.scientificamerican.com...

The supposed ignorance just goes on and on.

www.scientificamerican.com...


Cool, but taking other people's money to pay for abortion services is a clear no no.
That's been made crystal clear.
Planned Parenthood have decided to defund themselves as they don;t want to play by the rules.
Blame them.



Who's rules?



Planned Parenthood, however, views abortion as a form of health care—and seems to see an advantage in escalating the fight over Title X. “I think the real audience for this is women who vote,” Murray said. “Here’s a very concrete example of what happens when you wage a war on women and women’s health. This is about sticking it to people who want abortions? Well, everyone is paying.” Indeed, in her statements about the organization’s decision to withdraw from Title X, McGill Johnson relied heavily on the language of battle. Planned Parenthood sees this rule as an “attack on reproductive-health care,” for example, and will “fight” it in court. “Our patients deserve to make their own health-care decisions, not to be forced to have Donald Trump or Mike Pence make those decisions for them,” she said. “This is the time for all who believe that a person’s zip code and income should not determine one’s access to health care to raise their voices.”


www.theatlantic.com...


THE rules.

The rule, which went into effect in May, bans Title X family planning providers from referring patients for abortion care and also requires facilities to financially and physically separate Title X services from abortion services, meaning abortion care must be billed separately and conducted in a separate physical space from the program’s family planning services.


Title X funding is not for abortions.
It's PP who have decided to defund themselves and thus reduce their capacity to provide non abortion services without getting new investment.
The funds they were gettingcan go to another provider of womens health services.

You're not fooling anyone. The shrieks of victimhood is ALL about abortion and blind support for Planned Parenthood, nothing more.


It is actually Trump's and his religious voters' rules.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 11:36 AM
link   

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: InTheLight



We all know women's health has been largely ignored.

wow
that is just ignorant




Read the articles and learn.



Going forward, rigorous, collaborative and innovative research in reproductive health could lead to better birth control, safer clinical protocols and more personalized care. Filling these gaps is vital not just for the well-being of women but for the health of society.


www.scientificamerican.com...

The supposed ignorance just goes on and on.

www.scientificamerican.com...


Cool, but taking other people's money to pay for abortion services is a clear no no.
That's been made crystal clear.
Planned Parenthood have decided to defund themselves as they don;t want to play by the rules.
Blame them.



Who's rules?



Planned Parenthood, however, views abortion as a form of health care—and seems to see an advantage in escalating the fight over Title X. “I think the real audience for this is women who vote,” Murray said. “Here’s a very concrete example of what happens when you wage a war on women and women’s health. This is about sticking it to people who want abortions? Well, everyone is paying.” Indeed, in her statements about the organization’s decision to withdraw from Title X, McGill Johnson relied heavily on the language of battle. Planned Parenthood sees this rule as an “attack on reproductive-health care,” for example, and will “fight” it in court. “Our patients deserve to make their own health-care decisions, not to be forced to have Donald Trump or Mike Pence make those decisions for them,” she said. “This is the time for all who believe that a person’s zip code and income should not determine one’s access to health care to raise their voices.”


www.theatlantic.com...


THE rules.

The rule, which went into effect in May, bans Title X family planning providers from referring patients for abortion care and also requires facilities to financially and physically separate Title X services from abortion services, meaning abortion care must be billed separately and conducted in a separate physical space from the program’s family planning services.


Title X funding is not for abortions.
It's PP who have decided to defund themselves and thus reduce their capacity to provide non abortion services without getting new investment.
The funds they were gettingcan go to another provider of womens health services.

You're not fooling anyone. The shrieks of victimhood is ALL about abortion and blind support for Planned Parenthood, nothing more.


It is actually Trump's and his religious voters' rules.

No, it's the rules of a democratically elected Govt on how they spend the tax dollars of the people.
You can throw stones at people you disagree with all you like. It just reflects badly on you.
Your voice is at the ballot box.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 11:44 AM
link   
a reply to: primus2012




PP's main goal is to stop undesirables from procreating.


Well, they sure have done a piss poor job at that!



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 11:47 AM
link   

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: InTheLight



We all know women's health has been largely ignored.

wow
that is just ignorant




Read the articles and learn.



Going forward, rigorous, collaborative and innovative research in reproductive health could lead to better birth control, safer clinical protocols and more personalized care. Filling these gaps is vital not just for the well-being of women but for the health of society.


www.scientificamerican.com...

The supposed ignorance just goes on and on.

www.scientificamerican.com...


Cool, but taking other people's money to pay for abortion services is a clear no no.
That's been made crystal clear.
Planned Parenthood have decided to defund themselves as they don;t want to play by the rules.
Blame them.



Who's rules?



Planned Parenthood, however, views abortion as a form of health care—and seems to see an advantage in escalating the fight over Title X. “I think the real audience for this is women who vote,” Murray said. “Here’s a very concrete example of what happens when you wage a war on women and women’s health. This is about sticking it to people who want abortions? Well, everyone is paying.” Indeed, in her statements about the organization’s decision to withdraw from Title X, McGill Johnson relied heavily on the language of battle. Planned Parenthood sees this rule as an “attack on reproductive-health care,” for example, and will “fight” it in court. “Our patients deserve to make their own health-care decisions, not to be forced to have Donald Trump or Mike Pence make those decisions for them,” she said. “This is the time for all who believe that a person’s zip code and income should not determine one’s access to health care to raise their voices.”


www.theatlantic.com...


THE rules.

The rule, which went into effect in May, bans Title X family planning providers from referring patients for abortion care and also requires facilities to financially and physically separate Title X services from abortion services, meaning abortion care must be billed separately and conducted in a separate physical space from the program’s family planning services.


Title X funding is not for abortions.
It's PP who have decided to defund themselves and thus reduce their capacity to provide non abortion services without getting new investment.
The funds they were gettingcan go to another provider of womens health services.

You're not fooling anyone. The shrieks of victimhood is ALL about abortion and blind support for Planned Parenthood, nothing more.


It is actually Trump's and his religious voters' rules.

No, it's the rules of a democratically elected Govt on how they spend the tax dollars of the people.
You can throw stones at people you disagree with all you like. It just reflects badly on you.
Your voice is at the ballot box.


The people voted to legalize abortion, therefore the people should decide whether or not those tax dollars should be spent on abortion as a physical/mental health measure not Trump or his religious community.

Anyway, this is not over because if PP can't afford to take in new patients, which 64% of all patients are at the poverty line, then the ballot box will be the place where voices will be heard.

In the meantime, legal challenges will be brought to the courts to strike down more of Trump's nonsense.




top topics



 
68
<< 25  26  27    29  30  31 >>

log in

join