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posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 10:50 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa





And this thread is about who pays for that procedure....right?


Wrong. No, it's not.

Tax payer dollars are not going to on demand abortion, and Donald Trump's gag order doesn't do anything to curb abortion. It serves to remove more women from access to birth control.





I beg to differ sookie baby. This is about federal funding and where it goes with regard to abortions. If Planned Parenthood (what a joke of a name, when they advocate the opposite by supporting NOT being a parent) could PROVE they were not spending federal $$$ on abortion related activities, then why even back out? Unless, of course they cannot prove it because they take from a general fund (which includes federal $$$).

Ever consider that?




posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 10:51 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

A women can want a child. She might have had prior kids with no problems. Only to find that the complications of her current pregnancy is interfering too much with her ability to provide the basic care her living, breathing kids need.
So you tell me, for a women who might find herself in such a position, just what is the "responsible" thing to do if she doesnt have the support system available to step in and do those things she is finding she cant do? Is it more responsible for dad to take off work for a few months and they live on welfare so he can do it? Or, put the kids in foster care for a few months? Or maybe just neglect the rent for awhile and divert that money towards a nanny?
Could you possibly see how the women just might find the most responsible thing to do would be to terminate the pregnancy and accept the responsibilities she already has on her plate?



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

Im not sure what your saying. I was simply stating that PP should simply refuse ALL federal dollars in order to keep being this political chewtoy and other groups should put up or shut up in regards to funding it.

Thats way undeserved populations will get the care they need without this nonsense

The number of abortions PP prevents with family planning etc easily dwarfs the actual number of abortions so its diffuclt to see why Religious groups and political zealots have such a hard on for PP
edit on 8/20/19 by FredT because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: projectvxn

A women can want a child. She might have had prior kids with no problems. Only to find that the complications of her current pregnancy is interfering too much with her ability to provide the basic care her living, breathing kids need.
So you tell me, for a women who might find herself in such a position, just what is the "responsible" thing to do if she doesnt have the support system available to step in and do those things she is finding she cant do? Is it more responsible for dad to take off work for a few months and they live on welfare so he can do it? Or, put the kids in foster care for a few months? Or maybe just neglect the rent for awhile and divert that money towards a nanny?
Could you possibly see how the women just might find the most responsible thing to do would be to terminate the pregnancy and accept the responsibilities she already has on her plate?


Put the child up for adoption perhaps?

Is that not a viable alternative to give the child a chance at a life?



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 11:00 PM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

Maybe try reading my post before you respond?
Or do you think women can adopt fetuses out if their pregnancy starts causing complications severe enough to interfere with their responsibilities to provide the basic day to day care their children depend on her to give?



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Krakatoa

Maybe try reading my post before you respond?
Or do you think women can adopt fetuses out if their pregnancy starts causing complications severe enough to interfere with their responsibilities to provide the basic day to day care their children depend on her to give?


Then, perhaps, just perhaps, if they were in that particular set of circumstances, they might just consider NOT getting pregnant in the first place?

Perhaps it is you that is blinded here?

And, though all of this, not ONCE have you mentioned the father (the man who provided the sperm for that pregnancy). Not once. He has zero choice or even a say.

I know first hand the heartbreak of that lack of concern for the man's part in all of this.



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 11:16 PM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

The "put them up for adoption" is a tired old trope.

Were are all of those good religious / anti abortion crowd when he kid is say black? or from a crack mom? etc etc

que the tumbleweed



posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

And, how pray tell, are they to know a pregnancy will cause such complications before they are pregnant? What, was I shortchanged at birth and missed out on the feminine psychic ability to see the future?
But, hey if dad wants to take off work till the baby is born, or work the overtime for the money to pay for the nanny, then, ya, he can have a say.. but more than likely he will be saying the same thing as she is... "what the hell are we gonna do??"
I was in this position, there is no good choices. I chose to muddle through, listen to my doctor gripe at me, risked falling with my kids in my arms, and put up with quite a bit of pain while doing it.. and, since it was me bearing this burden and feeling the pain, yes, my husband had a say but I got the final decision as far as just how much I was willing to endure! He got the priviledge of never having a night of interrupted sleep to feed a baby, no diaper changes, and when he decided he needed to get away for awhile, a nice job driving truck cross country with frequent stops in Las vagas where he got to blow his money in casinos. Ya, poor, poor deprived hubby!
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posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 12:01 AM
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What, was I shortchanged at birth and missed out on the feminine psychic ability to see the future?
a reply to: dawnstar


You can control a lot of that by exercising self-control, discipline, and personal responsibility.

I think we can all agree that we can reduce unwanted pregnancies to a statistically insignificant level without making abortion a right, which it is not, and not outlaw it either.

edit on 8 21 2019 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 12:09 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Krakatoa

And, how pray tell, are they to know a pregnancy will cause such complications before they are pregnant? What, was I shortchanged at birth and missed out on the feminine psychic ability to see the future?
But, hey if dad wants to take off work till the baby is born, or work the overtime for the money to pay for the nanny, then, ya, he can have a say.. but more than likely he will be saying the same thing as she is... "what the hell are we gonna do??"
I was in this position, there is no good choices. I chose to muddle through, listen to my doctor gripe at me, risked falling with my kids in my arms, and put up with quite a bit of pain while doing it.. and, since it was me bearing this burden and feeling the pain, yes, my husband had a say but I got the final decision as far as just how much I was willing to endure! He got the priviledge of never having a night of interrupted sleep to feed a baby, no diaper changes, and when he decided he needed to get away for awhile, a nice job driving truck cross country with frequent stops in Las vagas where he got to blow his money in casinos. Ya, poor, poor deprived hubby!


Sounds like your choices in life were very poor. So, poor decisions means that others should pay for that?

Sorry...I beg to differ. Not all guys are jackwads like you chose to be with it seems.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 01:34 AM
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Again, once personal responsibility comes up, NO answer. Look, want to not get pregnant? Try NOT having sexual intercourse or maybe be RESPONSIBLE about it and use protection. EOT.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 06:48 AM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

No, but you are it seems.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 07:18 AM
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a reply to: FredT

Tried adopting any kids lately? Do you know the anal probing you must undergo in order to prove your fitness for adoption? Do you know one of the things that prevents cross-racial adoptions and why so many seek to adopt international?

Adoption agencies openly wonder if you can adequately expose a child of another race to his or her culture if you don't come from his or her ethnic group. Why should that even be a consideration? Here you are willing to provide that home they claim the kid so desperately needs, but if you aren't willing to turn yourself black, Indian, Asian, or Hispanic, they look askance at you and try to find reasons to turn you down.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 07:23 AM
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He got the priviledge of never having a night of interrupted sleep to feed a baby, no diaper changes, and when he decided he needed to get away for awhile, a nice job driving truck cross country with frequent stops in Las vagas where he got to blow his money in casinos. Ya, poor, poor deprived hubby!

Personal Responsibility
It appears you chose poorly
It also appears you let those actions color everything else

Sorry for your difficulty



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 07:27 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

Huh, go figure ...

Mine was a full partner even after he went back to work. We traded late night feeds and diapers, everything.

We also agreed that since it was better for my health, I wouldn't go back on birth control. Somehow, we still managed our sex life and also didn't get pregnant again. Although, if we had, we also agreed the new child would be welcome, not a nuisance parasite to be punished for our mistakes.

It's all about making good decisions in life.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 07:39 AM
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I was in Cincinnati in May when my mother and niece had me trapped in the car listening to this argument. I feel Democrats are using this to make Republican women angry. Women aren't losing their rights to choose. That happens before you go in that bedroom. Just say no to sex, or get birth control. I don't care about this business closing. Abortion is not birth control people. It is to be used on dead fetuses, or those that are severely damaged genetic disorders. I did my senior paper on this in 1984 in Cincinnati, Ohio. So this is a very old issue.
Women need more education in middle school, high school, and even college to avoid pregnancy. Bill boards suggesting to low economic women to visit the free clinics and get free birth control, should be put up all over inner city environments and on high ways. My son worked at three free clinics here in South Carolina. Every Friday this last year, the clinic was passing out birth control to a steady stream of women. He was the information data collector nurse tech. There are other positive ways to control unwanted pregnancies. Education and free clinics is where to go. Plan parent hood is out dated and unnecessary. Sex is a commitment, it is to pro create life. If your not mature or up to being a parent dont have sex. Planned Parent hood was a sick way to deal with the issue. Its right up there with the gladiator games in bad society judgement.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: uncommitted

Really?

That reply wasn’t clear enough ?

Maybe this will help ?

People have opinions/positions but history will judge them by their actions .

Take Michael Moore as a example. Do you think he planned on eating every Porkchop in America when he was 20 ?









No it wasn't clear, your original comment was that women who voted for him to be president would have known what to expect on this issue. I replied that his stance before, during and since the election has fluctuated so your comment is wrong. Your conversion is your business, nothing to do with what Trump did and didn't state over the years that would allow someone to know what action he would take which is what you suggested.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 08:38 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Krakatoa

No, but you are it seems.


What a great response with such deep insight. It's no wonder you chose poorly in life and expect others to pay the price for you.

Here's your participation trophy. Try not to eat it, it is not food.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Wtf is there to color though? If the complications in a pregnancy is making life such a living hell for the women that she cant fulfill even the most basic functions needed to take care of herself and family, if its permanently damaging organs, if its endangering her life...
Wtf is there to color when the govt dangles money in front of the doctors and clinics, essentially bribing them to just not bring up terminating the pregnancy as an option for her? Which is what this new rule is doing.
And, just wtf is the message coming from any father who is so danged determined that the baby be born he doesnt care how much she suffers or if she dies. Lol, ya I made some bad decisions in my life, but I would rank my husband leaps and bounds above any man who would place his wants or needs so far above his wife, sexual partners health and wellbeing!! Far above any person on these boards who expects a women to sacrifice so much to bring life into this world!

Abortion is a part of a doctors medical toolkit and just like so many tools in that toolkit it can and is misused. Using abortion as birth control is misusing it just like going to a plastic surgeon because you dont like the shape of your nose is. But that does not negate the fact that abortion is also used to alleviate womens suffering, protects her from long term, permanent disability, and saves lives. Just like plastic surgery is used to reconstruct a face badly damaged in a fire or a baby horribly deformed at birth.
You gripe when people talk about gun control. "Oh, dont punish the many because of the stupidity of the few!!"
Well, you seem to be doing the same thing here by taking abortion (and both control) out of the toolkit only, you would be condemning a few women to a great amount of pain and suffering, disability, and death if you succeed.

And by the way.. I took the responsibility for my "poor decisions in life" . Together with my husband we raised three kids to adulthood. Do you have any idea just how difficult it is to try to forgive a man who decides that his need for sex is so important that he rips out your stitches a few days after childbirth? After that it didn't bother me that he was spending time in Las vagas casinos and probably whorehouses, celibacy was preferable to me!
And, in so many ways, it would have been so much easier to just leave him. But I owned that bad decision also. Unbrainwashed myself from the fundamentalist bull that had convinced me that god had wanted me to be this meek submissive shell and I became more assertive. And we eventually came to a place where we could coexist.

I am so sick of being called irresponsible by fools and I certainly ain't gonna be referred to as being a nymphomaniac by yous!
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posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 08:57 AM
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If the complications in a pregnancy is making life such a living hell for the women that she cant fulfill even the most basic functions needed to take care of herself and family, if its permanently damaging organs, if its endangering her life...

who said otherwise?



when the govt dangles money in front of the doctors and clinics, essentially bribing them to just not bring up terminating the pregnancy as an option for her? Which is what this new rule is doing.

no it is not
your interpretation may be that, but that doesn't make it so
www.cdc.gov...


Sadly, about 700 women die each year in the United States as a result of pregnancy or delivery complications.

333k abortions vs 700 deaths as a result of pregnancy or complications
seems the message about terminating pregnancy is getting out despite your assertions otherwise



And, just wtf is the message coming from any father who is so danged determined that the baby be born he doesnt care how much she suffers or if she dies.

bs
simple bs, unless you can site a case as such
I will wait.....



Abortion is a part of a doctors medical toolkit and just like so many tools in that toolkit it can and is misused.

I never stated it wasn't.
At times it would actually be a very responsible thing to do.



You gripe when people talk about gun control. "Oh, dont punish the many because of the stupidity of the few!!"

That is a straight up lie.
Not surprising tho I guess, when things don't go your way make up what you have to.
Source said gripe.....
again I will wait....



Well, you seem to be doing the same thing here by taking abortion (and both control) out of the toolkit only, you would be condemning a few women to a great about of pain and suffering, disability, and death if you succeed.

Again you lie.
I have not posted such.



Do you have any idea just how difficult it is to try to forgive a man who decides that his need for sex is so important that he rips out your stitches a few days after childbirth? After that it didn't bother me that he was spending time in Las vagas casinos and probably whorehouses, celibacy was preferable to me!

no
again sorry for your difficulty



I am so sick of being called irresponsible by fools and I certainly ain't gonna be referred to as being a nymphomaniac by yous!

Who called you irresponsible?
Advocating personal responsibility is a good thing.
With more details it does appear you choose poorly.
Choosing poorly and not being responsible are not the same things.
Sorry you don't see that.

Your terrible experience is not everyone elses.
Sorry you also don't see that.



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