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posted on Aug, 20 2019 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: PaddyInf

originally posted by: Notoneofyou
a reply to: Phage

They have made it harder for people to obtain firearms. Even illegal for certain types/models.

They have not made it harder to get your drivers license. Nor is there any law stopping an 18 year old from buying a supercar.


However to use this legally the 18 year old will have had a period of instruction, completed a mandatory test in it's safe use, registered it and taken out insurance in case of any injury or damages caused by them.

To buy a gun it's a matter of going into the shop, fill in the forms for background check if a waiting period is needed and then collect in 10 days.



Unfortunately your argument means nothing because people still drive terribly bad after passing their test proving they know how to drive enough to past the test but quite frankly they do not care about the laws or rules..

Same will happen to guns if passing a test is required, they will do what they need to pass the test. Gun Safety and ignorance on how to use one is not the issue here.




posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 03:41 AM
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Chemicals in water/food etc is a problem that needs to be addressed. But I doubt it's causing the mass killings that spark these debates. Murderous humans predate these chemicals.

The removal of guns decreases gun crimes. It's literally that simple.

We can't stop people from killing, it's oddly human nature(?) it seems. But we can make it as difficult as possible.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: MrConspiracy

But it doesn't stop violent crimes, so why not look deeper than the surface and maybe make a real difference.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 07:06 AM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: MrConspiracy

But it doesn't stop violent crimes, so why not look deeper than the surface and maybe make a real difference.



Because (although I don't think its your intent) your argument is a debate trap whereby you move the goalpost to argue that the point being made isn't worthwhile.

Changing human nature is indeed wildly difficult, however limiting our capacity for destruction is a very reasonable and achievable goal.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: MrConspiracy

But it doesn't stop violent crimes, so why not look deeper than the surface and maybe make a real difference.



As long as there are humans. There will be violent crimes.

Removing guns just limits the amount.

You're asking for too much to stop all violent crimes. Violence and evil exist and, like I said, predate the chemicals they put in our food etc.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 07:59 AM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

Mostly I no longer trust Congress to touch any of our rights without corrupting them and costing the people even more with no actual tangible help being done.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Wayfarer

Mostly I no longer trust Congress to touch any of our rights without corrupting them and costing the people even more with no actual tangible help being done.



I think that's a reasonable worry and its good that you/others are vigilant for corruption, but I also think it doesn't mean we shouldn't try and affect changes to stop the magnitude of deaths.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

You nailed it, my friend. It is psychotropic drugs. I just saw a documentary at the beginning of the year that states just this. It's about mental illness and how many drugs they are pumping into a person. Mind altering drugs are not good for anyone. The Columbine shooters were on psychotropics, and so we're a lot of the other shooters. Media won't report it and you have to wonder why??



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

You are right, that sure is part of it. Watch the "news" there are nonstop ads for cars and alcohol and hundreds of billions of dollars of pharmaceutical ads. That's who pays for the "news". What you never ever see on the network or cable news is an ad for guns, the gun industry is very small and their profits and ad budgets pale in comparison to the drug companies and carmakers and alcohol makers whose products kill many many more times people than people using guns are able to.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: vonclod

Ok, guns are a factor, are they a casual factor? Does guns being legal cause people to want to kill others or commit mass murder?



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Home depot trucks, semi trucks, Uhaul trucks, fertilizer and diesel, gasoline, were you really unable to think of anything more deadly than a legal gun? Is a legal gun more deadly than an illegal gun?



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: Phage

easier than renting a home depot van?



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: Phage

In reality the danger is very much exaggerated, recently Rep Omar suggested that white supremacist terrorists are a significant threat when in fact they kill about 1/5 the number of people that things like TVs falling on people kill or 1/3 of the number of people killed by lightning. So if you want to keep your daughter safe make sure your TV is bolted down and avoid lightning storms.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: underwerks

no one is doing anything to make mental healthcare inaccessible. Trump has in fact done things to improve mental healthcare access



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 12:36 PM
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I think the gun control argument is stupid in general because every time the well intentioned yet unlearned masses push for something they've been told works, it always backfires in some "unforseen" way. Just how some say certain gun control measures of "scary features" have in fact created in some cases, a more ergonomically-friendly rifle, restricting things like firearms only forces the truly unstable members of society to simply perfect and hone in on significantly more deadly and destructive methods. We will reach a point where, if this is all innocent and naive posturing and desperation, the people trying to "protect" us will come to the conclusion that you will literally have to make EVERYTHING illegal because anything including simple pieces of paper can be used to kill someone if you're creative enough. Just chat with a corrections officer.

I recently saw and read some things where apparently these shootings might've turned out better if they had in fact been running fully automatic weapons for example. Why? Because if they aren't there to create a false flag and are there to simply just kill a bunch of people, then all of their discipline goes out the window. Using automatic fire is a method of suppression; unless you have a stable firing position and the density of targets is such that it's impossible not to destroy what's at the other end of the sights, you will more than likely "spray n' pray" and maybe only wing one or two people while the rest scatter for cover. Semi-automatic fire forces you to aim and take measured shots, which is why you'll never see soldiers blasting away at full auto during combat, maybe just 3 round burst fire, unless they are in a support role.

Okay, let's say that we outlaw firearms, or at least a good chunk of them. Then I think we'll start seeing more things like this: en.wikipedia.org...

That was in the 1920s and that dude managed to blow up a school and rig up car bombs. It's nothing new; anarchists detonated a carriage bomb on Wall Street that was filled with old window sash weights for shrapnel. There's still chips, burns, and pits in the faces of some of the financial buildings down there from that event. And let's not even forget to mention the Boston Bombing. What I'm saying is that if you achieve this goal, sure the events may become a bit more infrequent... but they will become deadlier, and have fewer survivors.

These incidents are caused by environmental factors, not tool availability.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: Admitted

We can control it? Like how well our drug control efforts are working out? Just another 100+ years of heroin being totally banned and the war on drugs and heroin won't be cheap and easy to get right?
The war on guns will be bloodless and effective like the war on drugs right?
Lord knows after they banned heroin like no one can get it right?



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Who has the guts to take on a shooting sports, hunting, and manufacturing giant like gunz. It's business, big business with corporations with solid lobbying muscle

Yup, that is their lobbying group, they provide free hunting safety training to every hunter, turkey hunting is the safest youth sport.
look up how much the gun industry spends on lobbying and then compare it to cars, prescription drugs or alcohol, things that are used to kill many times more Americans than guns are, and way way more than legal guns are used to kill, exponentially more.

You will find that you are quite wrong, the gun industry is not even in the top 20 for lobbying spending.

The prescription drug industry spends 50 or 100 times more on advertising and lobbying than the entire American gun industry makes. And of course their products kill many times more Americans.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: links234

But of course that's not true. There were more people killed in public mass shootings in France, a country with a much smaller population and very strict gun controls, than in all 8 years of the Obama admin. The claim "this only happens here" is utterly false.



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: Phage

most mass shooters kill zero people if you actually look at the list of incidents of so called mass shootings



posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Did they recently decide to try to ban cars?



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