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Trump’s threat to label Antifa terrorist group triggers row in Germany

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posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Is the kkk a terrorist group?



That depends on who you ask. Personally, I say no. Not any more. Once upon a time I would have agreed that it was. When the democrats were all about the KKK and people of colour were hanging from trees, yes I would say that qualified. Today that doesn't happen. At least not to my knowledge. Now its hard to categorise them as a terrorist group. Its more a bunch of white people who are proud of their heritage and don't want to see it torn down because some whiner got offended by a statue.

You have to remember, it was democrats who owned the slaves, fought for slavery in the civil war, and started the KKK. But it is modern day white conservatives who are paying for it. Or are expected to anyway. So yes, there will be a backlash and it will be white people behind it. And rightfully so. What shouldn't happen is anyone who fights back against an unfair characterisation being branded a racist bigoted hater.

Pride does not equal hate. If it does - then we are all haters and bigots.




posted on Aug, 22 2019 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp

Look up the east india trade company and see what happens when capitalism goes unchecked.


I know it's history, and it was more about "the attempt at monopoly of certain resources" which goes against a free market system/aka capitalism.


originally posted by: strongfp
I think you should read up on your Adam Smith to understand the full grasp of why ideaolgies like socialism exists.


Adam Smith was as much an ideologue as Karl Marx. In some things Smith was right, in others he wasn't. Socialism will always be a drain, not only on a country but to the people.



originally posted by: strongfp
It's not about ruthless dictators taking philosophies out of context, it's about what works in the end.


Wrong... They took those philosophies to heart and applied them like Marx and other socialists/communists wanted.


originally posted by: strongfp
Whether you like it or not, communism is a fake enemy, a boogeyman, something to basically hate on because of what it represents. It's never come to fruition ever, and cant without certain aspects of a society come and go, if you accept its foundations or makes sense.


Again wrong, and spoken/written as someone who never lived as a regular person under such systems.

Socialism does not make sense. When government controls everything the people have no control of anything. When rights are taken away "for the good of x" those systems always turn into dictatorships.



posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 04:11 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You still arent getting are you?

The world isnt black and white, ideas arent set in stone. Are you really so brain washed into thinking in literal terms here or just being stubborn to make arguments for arguements sake?

Prime example, thinking Marx wanted wealth and power. Have you ever read anything Marx published beyond the manifesto? He was actually more on the lines with Smith, morality within a socioeconomic system. And communism is litterally the definition of no government. So what's your arguments in all this that socialism is a system where government controls everything? Especially in today's world of free market trade you have countries that champion alot of its ideas. But reject others.
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posted on Aug, 23 2019 @ 09:24 PM
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Capitalism works, or should work, from the bottom up. Not the top down.


Capitalism is freedom so it shouldn't work either way it should work for everyone and every level. It's simply an equal playing field with little regulation.



Socialism is inetivble when a strong capitalist society is established?


It is?



Meaning, its turned upside down. Trickle down.


Trickle down is just a left wing talking point. It's the lefts spin on "a rising tide lifts all boats" that conservatives always tout about capitalism. Look at wage growth under obama vs under trump. Link. This is all due to deregulation and tax cuts. get the government out of people's way and there are more jobs. When there are more jobs there is competition for labor. When there is competition for labor, wages rise. There are currently 7 million open jobs. Jobless claims last month were 210k.



That's when ideas like socialism come into play to correct it.


What is there to correct? I'm going to guess you're going to say income inequality (if not, nbd, just trying to move the conversation along) and if so can you explain why equal outcomes is desirable other than personal greed?



posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 06:53 AM
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Capitalism is freedom so it shouldn't work either way it should work for everyone and every level. It's simply an equal playing field with little regulation.


Yes, hence why I said it only 'works' if it's from the bottom up. Smith noted in his publishing that in his publishing of how the free market was far more moral compared to the rich and powerful who hid behind their castle walls and barred free market. This is where capitalism is more of a system, where capitalists are the major players of the game, and are the ones who actually step on free market.



Trickle down is just a left wing talking point. It's the lefts spin on "a rising tide lifts all boats" that conservatives always tout about capitalism. Look at wage growth under obama vs under trump. Link. This is all due to deregulation and tax cuts. get the government out of people's way and there are more jobs. When there are more jobs there is competition for labor. When there is competition for labor, wages rise. There are currently 7 million open jobs. Jobless claims last month were 210k.


'Trickle down', isn't a leftist slang term, everyone uses it. It's a basic way of explaining the backwards economic system that Reagan put in place to attempt to implement supply side economics. In other words, taking the 'free market' and imploding it on the nation that is struggling on the world stage, to create it's own little free market economy without the rest of the world needed, ie imports and exports, etc. The problem is, the states IS a consumer economy, and cannot sustain such a model. This is why companys left to build stuff cheaper elsewhere and sell back into the US.
The current model used is a form of what Reagan implemented, lower taxes, lower regulation, etc. problem is, barring free market on the global stage with tariffs etc, will back fire, and it already has, Mexico and Canada have already resolved the tariff war, China will never back down as they keep building their trade routes to Europe and Africa.

Here in there lies where socialism and it's ideas come into play, you want to become protectionist, fine, but the free market will cannibalize certain industries over time and cause chaos, monopolies, etc. It's already happening with the agriculture industry in the US and well, well, looks like a socialized program was put in place to keep it afloat.
When an economy gets to big to fail, desperate measures are taken.



posted on Aug, 27 2019 @ 04:30 PM
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Was Columbine right wing terror? Was Sandy Hook right wing terror? Was Las Vegas right wing terror.? Dayton Ohio was left wing terror. Shooter an Elizabeth Warren supporter and devout socialist. Represenative Scalise shooter left wing Burnie Sanders supporter. Your Right wing terror is ummmmm what contrived,

The Oklahoma bombing, which is questionable, was attributed to right wing terror. Hey what about Clinton himself and Waco. THAT WOULD BE LEFT WING TERROR!!! The FBI could have waited in town and nabbed Koresh at any time. But instead attacked and caused the death of women and children. Don't give me all right wing terror. NOT ALL OF IT!!!



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