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Trump’s threat to label Antifa terrorist group triggers row in Germany

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posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: operation mindcrime

It is fun to see the number of people that are completely opposed to Red Flag laws are pretty much arguing that the same criteria should be used to involuntarily commit people.

All because Trump said the solution to mass shootings is more mental health facilities.




posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Incarceration of political dissidents in mental hospitals is a very effective way of winning popularity contests.

Peace



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 08:24 AM
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Antifa is not a problem, meanwhile 3 more trump supporters busted for mass shooting plans.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: strongfp
Communism and Socialism may not be terrorist now but as they attack and instill fear into normal Constitutional freedom loving Americans then they become so. Communism/socialism is subversive. Relies on sneaking around and subverting malleable minds. They cannot succeed on their own merits because it is a philosophy of failure, laziness and non-creativity. Power is handed over to a ruling elite who laud their power over the proletariat. Why do you think Hollywood loves it? Because they will sit towards the top of the pyramid. NOT ME NO HOW!!! I HATE COMMUNISM AND ALL ITS FORMS.
REMEMBER IT IS EASY TO VOTE IN SOCIALISM BUT YOU WILL DAMN SURE HAVE TO SHOOT YOUR WAY OUT OF IT!!!!!!

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posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: Theyy
I beg to differ!! They are a serious problem. You apparently suffer TDS.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: Ansuzrune

Meanwhile far Right extremism has consistently been the leading cause of terrorism in this country for at least over a decade now. Although I have read studies that found it was the leading cause of terrorism throughout the 20th century.

You guys can point to two instances from this year (one of which wasn't even politically motivated) to say that Antifa is a threat to life in this country. Meanwhile the far Right continues to rack up a kill count year after year.

If the post you responded to suffers from TDS, what do you call the disorder that prevents people from acknowledging the threat of far Right terrorism in this country?



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254
Wrong again. The National Socialists at most nationally are 40-50 thousand strong. More leave it than join it. Your definition on Nationalism and National Socialism Your media in which you develop your opinion are nothing more than propaganda machines. I can't at this time name the piece of legislation Obummer signed but it allows the use of propaganda in media and government.

Returning to extreme right wing I can remember the Nazi's in Skokie Illinois parading and speaking. No violence not that they would not advocate some but usually did not and the time they spoke. I am not defending them just ANTIFA is more threatening. Bike lock beatings and always wearing helmets and carrying shields.

Proud boys were not extreme right wing. They oppose abortion, the politically correct shoving transgenderism down throats as if it were some kind of normal, and socialist issues that are not good for the country. There is an obvious difference. You just choose to back socialists that quiet frankly ARE DANGEROUS AND VIOLENT.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 10:15 AM
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Antifa in the US is just a bunch of ignorant wannabe kiddies playing at revolution hoping to be admired by peers. The groups have no central organization and do what they think will get them noticed. This also provides a cause that they can feel noble about as they pretend to resist fascism, a philosophy that they know little about. "We have to, like, resist, man." This is done by wearing masks, the physical version of online anonymity, and attacking the weak or isolated who happen to be near one of their riots. They are truly cowards with no redeeming aspects and justify their "cause" as an excuse to injure and destroy.

Their preferred venues are the ultraliberal utopias who put up with their criminal behavior simply because they fear those locales that would enforce the law. At some point they will pick the wrong place and find out what violence is like on the receiving end. I am waiting for them to try to beat people and tear up Mulberry street in NYC during San Rocco.





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posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: Ansuzrune

How am I wrong?

This administration has identified Right wing extremists as the leading cause of terrorism in this country.

Law enforcement agencies across the country have identified Right wing extremists as the leading cause of terrorism in this country.

Right wing think tanks have identified Right wing extremists as the leading cause of terrorism in this country.

Where is your proof that my claim is wrong?



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 02:43 PM
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I think because there are so many otherwise normal but uneducated and poorly misled kids wanting to feel important in groups like antifa, anonymous, etc; it might be better to err on the side of liberty for now and continue prosecuting each individual for specific real crimes and avoid merely busting a bunch of dumb kids for disobedience thinking it's cool.

You can still make a good case of the leadership for incitement and you don't need new laws they already have plenty of power to prosecute.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: TGunner

If you make Antifa a terrorist group, then you are making an ideology a terrorist group.

Antifa is an ideology.

Mostly communist, but we never did make communism a terrorist group.



You are correct. As an Anarchist, all I want is freedom. I have no desire for violence. I also have no desire to be labeled as a terrorist. I am not. I just want people to leave me alone. It would seem a simple thing to ask. And yet... no matter who you vote for, no matter how much money is taken from you, people keep propagating this system. I think you may have faith in the wrong people, and in the wrong system. The Constitution is great... but this is where it has led us. This is the end result. And nobody in their right mind thinks that where we are at is a good place. Spare me the argument that activist judges are to blame... the system itself allows for them.

Why are we not free to be left alone, or to voluntarily associate? Because people keep voting for others to rule them. That is not a good idea, and it has not worked out well. It never will.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: Ansuzrune

You are misinformed about both political systems.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:45 PM
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that's my issue with labeling them a terrorist organization, inevitably left wing nutters will get back in control and immediately do it to anyone who leans right.


You're making the assumption they won't do that, regardless. See, this is the problem with the current movement on the right. We don't want a civil war, but we are in one. The longer we wait to recognize it and take action (not violence, but counter measures) the larger our suffering will be.

We make these crazy leaps, like: if trump declares a national emergency on the border democrats will do it on guns when they have power! as if that's in any way the same thing to the 80% of america that is rational. Same thing here. It's plain to everyone with eyes that the left is out of control, assaulting randos in the street that they disagree with. The right is not perfect but they're no where near the deranged level that the left is right now.

The left is deranged. If they are still deranged when they get power they will do all of the things you fear they will, regardless of whether we designated a terrorist group as such or a national emergency as such. The only real hope is to squash the deranged factions or push them out of the spotlight so sanity can regain a foot hold.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

With hong kong and venezuela making his point in real time, I think it's probably you that is misinformed on them.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 05:02 PM
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a reply to: TGunner Antifa never ran over people and killed people or had people killed in there names.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Communism is null of government and socialism has evolved from the early days of it's ideologies seed into human minds. Why can democracy and capitalism evolve but socialism can't?



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Because capitalism plays to the degeneracy of mankind while socialism/communism denies it exists.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 07:18 PM
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a reply to: LegendReacts

Incorrect. The dayton shooter was antifa. Their body count is many times that of any rw group out there.



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: TGunner


Only a Brain Dead , Mind Controlled Freakin ' Moron Cannot Actually See that Antifa are a Communist Created and Controlled Organization , and a DIRECT THREAT to American Citizens Liberties in this Country . Anarchists ALL , and ALL Deserved to be CRUSHED for the Sake of Preserving Our Cherished Democratic Republic . Patriots Need to Seriously RESPOND to this Threat ASAP ...Roger , Over .

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posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Communism is where people are free to pursue passions while the workers control the capital and it's growth. It's a fairy tale, but it is literally the opposite of denying humans what they are owed. It's basic labor theory.

Socialism is based on the principles of liberal democracy, it's more to the point that it takes into account a large population, a collective for the greater good.

Also, capitalism doesn't play to the degeneracy of mankind, it's the ones at the top that abuse it's power and have tilted the game in their favor. If a capitalist nation were to denounce Adam smiths mantra of idolizing the rich and continue to push for consumerism, it can work easily within a socialist society, but you'd need free market, and free enterprise.



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