Brexit Remoaners Plotting a Coup d'etat against the British Government

I believe we need to get out of the EU by any means (even Johnson), since i fear the scope and true machinations of the centralised dictatorship they’re leading the constituent nations into.

But thereafter I believe Jeremy Corbyn is the first ray of hope the UK has had for a government that finally places the needs of the many above those of the rich and powerful few.

He gets accused of so much by the media that they really must be scared that their obscene wealth will be redistributed by a Corbyn government. Of course these greedy feckers control the media and just about anyone who’s not in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet one way or another and a regrettable number of people on the street are prone to believing whatever garbage they’re fed by these numerous stooges; class does not prevent an appetite for salacious fear mongering. The broadsheets and tabloids alike partake and their readers gorge on ‘red Corbyn’ doomporn. Personally I’m with any man or woman that wants to help those that need help and halt the gravy train for the elite. Whatever colour that is, I’ll fly it.

Sure, I hope Johnson gets us out of SPECTRE, oops, sorry! ...gets us out of the EU, but then I’ll be voting for Corbyn. I just hope Corbyn’s smart enough to wait until after Brexit to push for an election, when the leavers, now satisfied, will hopefully return their votes to labour.

A Hezbollah supporter, an anti-Semite and a IRA sympathizer walk into a bar.

The barman says "What can I get you Mr Corbyn ?".

a reply to: maxey

While I'm not a Corbyn supporter I will take issue with the claims he's antisemitic because he is critical of the Israeli government , as for supporting the IRA and Hezbollah politicians talking to an enemy is not a new thing it's called diplomacy , the US is currently in negotiations with the Taliban over their future involvement in the future of Afghanistan.

The US supported the IRA for decades through NORAID , real material support as opposed to Corbyn's who just gave them words.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Johnson was ejected by less that 100k people.

Opposing hiim is hardly a coup.

Prime Ministers are not elected by the people.

a reply to: gortex

Well said, but with the sheeple lapping up the smear campaign espousing sense is like pushing mud up hill.

However, I suspect part of that smear job is to convince the masses that he’s lost his voters, which I suspect that, like the last election, he’ll prove wrong with a majority in the next one (so long as it happens after Brexit).

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: gortex

Well said, but with the sheeple lapping up the smear campaign espousing sense is like pushing mud up hill.

However, I suspect part of that smear job is to convince the masses that he’s lost his voters, which I suspect that, like the last election, he’ll prove wrong with a majority in the next one (so long as it happens after Brexit).

Point being much of it is coming NOT from 'sheeple' but his own party.

More than 60 Labour peers have taken the extraordinary step of taking a full-page advert in the Guardian to accuse Jeremy Corbyn of “allowing antisemitism to grow in our party and presiding over the most shaming period in Labour’s history”.
Representing roughly a third of Labour’s members in the House of Lords, the signatories added that Mr Corbyn had “failed the test of leadership” over antisemitism.
The statement was supported by a number of former government ministers, including Beverley Hughes, John Reid, Jack Cunningham, Peter Mandelson and Peter Hain.
The 64 peers argued that the tactic of Mr Corbyn’s office and his followers was to “deny the truth of the message and shoot the messengers” making reference to complaints raised by party members and whistleblowers.

The advert reads: “The Labour Party welcomes everyone* irrespective of race, creed, age, gender identity, or sexual orientation. (*except, it seems, Jews)
“This is your legacy Mr Corbyn… We are not asking if you are an antisemite. We are saying you are accountable as leader for allowing antisemitism to grow in our party and presiding over the most shaming period in Labour’s history.

www.thejc.com...

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: uncommitted

May's plan was largely drawn up by the EU and signed off by Mrs Merkel , it would have made us a vassal state of Europe , like a child on a leash we would have the illusion of freedom but no say on our direction of travel.

There is an option to No deal and Johnson is pursuing it , we don't want a No deal but must be prepared for it if the EU decline to negotiate , something they've been loathed to do.

What exactly in the deal do you oppose? No meaningless drivel about 'sovereignty', be clear, which passages in the 500 page document can you point to and raise your objections and highlight how the UK should have expected better? I'm genuinely interested as no MP or political commentator seems to be able to give clear examples, yet you obviously think you have some.

a reply to: uncommitted

We've done this dance before and I pointed out the problems I had with May's deal at that time , repetition is boring.

You don't want Brexit , fine , we're two sides of the same coin , time will tell which side will land face up.

originally posted by: eletheia
Point being much of it is coming NOT from 'sheeple' but his own party.

Wasn’t saying the ‘sheeple’ are spinning this BS, but simply that they hear the BS, enjoy the theatre and as the do so the message sinks down into those murky depths where opinions emerge from.

I remember that ad - another desperate attempt by New Labour old guard and wannabes in its death throes to usurp Corbin. ‘New Labour’s’ centre ground was a short lived experiment that failed. Problem with centre ground politics is that it draws all parties into its vortex. Eventually there’s too little difference between left and right to make voting worthwhile.

Corbyn has presented an alternative and that scares the crap out of the 1%. Those 60 labour peers show their hand when they get on the fake ‘Corbyn’s a racist bus’ - I imagine they’re loyalties aren’t with those they claim are being abused, but with the big money that fears the ‘Corbyn spring’ that’s just over the horizon.

originally posted by: McGinty
‘New Labour’s’ centre ground was a short lived experiment that failed. Problem with centre ground politics is that it draws all parties into its vortex.

New Labour was electable because they positioned themselves into the centre. The electorate won't vote for a left wing Labour Party, nor a right wing Conseravtive Party. It is the centre ground that counts. Corbyn and his ilk represent a more left inclination, which is why he (they) will never get into power.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Johnson was ejected by less that 100k people.

Opposing hiim is hardly a coup.

Prime Ministers are not elected by the people.

Never said they were, I am not the one claiming a coup.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Johnson was ejected by less that 100k people.

Opposing hiim is hardly a coup.

Prime Ministers are not elected by the people.

Never said they were, I am not the one claiming MPs are plotting a coup.

edit on 17-8-2019 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)

Not happening

We’re leaving the EU sooner than we think

a reply to: ScepticScot

Never said they were, I am not the one claiming a coup.

It seems I am not the only one claiming a coup.

Nigel Farage highlights awkward Brexit truth for Remainers and savages 'Corbyn coup'
NIGEL Farage has accused Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn of plotting a "coup" against the British people with his plot to seize power from Boris Johnson in a bid to block a no-deal Brexit.
www.express.co.uk...

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ScepticScot

Never said they were, I am not the one claiming a coup.

It seems I am not the only one claiming a coup.

Nigel Farage highlights awkward Brexit truth for Remainers and savages 'Corbyn coup'
NIGEL Farage has accused Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn of plotting a "coup" against the British people with his plot to seize power from Boris Johnson in a bid to block a no-deal Brexit.
www.express.co.uk...

Every one of them were voted in *a government FOR the people*

It turns out to be a case of *the government AGAINST the people*

originally posted by: paraphi
The electorate won't vote for a left wing Labour Party, nor a right wing Conseravtive Party... ...Corbyn and his ilk represent a more left inclination, which is why he (they) will never get into power.

He came pretty damned close at the last election, forcing May to rely on DUP numbers in the commons with the massive bribe she handed them.

Corbyn's advantage last election was the young vote being receptive to him. But now it's said that he's lost that boost because of his obvious reticence at Remaining and sitting on the Brexit fence. Fair enough, that's damaged his appeal to the young, but i'd posit that this dip will only last as long as Brexit. When Brexit is done, one way or the other, many of those disgruntled young labour voters will have nowhere to go if they want change, which they most certainly do (see the last election).

The young-vote's only real alternative are the Lib Dems, but with Brexit done and we're looking for the next, future government the Lib Dems will not out-Corbyn Corbyn in terms of what the young liked in the last election. Instead of focusing upon their own Corbyn-copycat promises, they're prattle on about Corbyn's fence-sitting during Brexit. Imo the blame-game will not be as attractive to this huge young-vote as the idea of real change that only Corbyn can sell.

And besides, if they play the blame-game, then how about the Lib-Dems being in the coalition government that brought in Austerity (more or less a return to the middle-ages). Their hypocrisy won't serve them well.

What's more, the Remain media say that a 2nd referendum would lead to a Rremain win because many pensioner-Leavers have since died, replaced by young-Remainers reaching voting age... Well, what's true for a 2nd referendum will be true for a post Brexit election: The pensioner Tory vote will be that much more diminished, replaced by the young, who almost swept Corbyn to power once and now there'll be a lot more.

originally posted by: paraphi
It is the centre ground that counts.

But what really is the 'centre ground'?

It's promising all things to all people and then once elected an impotent government that is neither here nor there, but forever dithering and debating. Those attractive centre ground promises can't be delivered upon once in power, because they're too Left, or to Right for their own MPs and backbenchers to agree upon.

Choose an argument that your party agrees upon and fight for it, then the people can decide. Of course Labour agrees upon little because the New Labour old guard will not move on.

But at least Corbyn represents a move towards decisive leadership that wants to improve things with change, rather than the dysfunctional, broken promises status quo that the Blair/Brown-New Labour and Tory-centre ground snake oil sales pitch inherited from Cameron has led UK politics into.

To quote They Live, "The middle of the road is the most dangerous place to walk."

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ScepticScot

Never said they were, I am not the one claiming a coup.

It seems I am not the only one claiming a coup.

Nigel Farage highlights awkward Brexit truth for Remainers and savages 'Corbyn coup'
NIGEL Farage has accused Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn of plotting a "coup" against the British people with his plot to seize power from Boris Johnson in a bid to block a no-deal Brexit.
www.express.co.uk...

Well if Farage is saying it then it must be true...

Just watched Corbyn speaking live and imo he’s on track for getting that young vote back with the abolishing of all uni tuition fees.

With that (taking into account the Brexit Remainer logic that elderly voters are (obviously) always being replaced by young-new voters) he’ll win by a significant margin at next election.

Add to that his getting off the fence with a second referendum promise and he’s likely to just about get a majority at a pre brexit election (but that’s far from certain).

If he keeps his powder dry until after the Brexit, when he’ll get back the labour voters who are Leavers of which there’s a great many in the midlands and north. Also he’ll need to maintain the appearance of doing just enough anti-No Deal campaigning to look like he tried, so that he doesn’t alienate the Remainers beyond returning to labour post Brexit. Then as I say post Brexit, imo it’ll be a Corbyn whitewash.

a reply to: gortex

While I'm not a Corbyn supporter I will take issue with the claims he's antisemitic because he is critical of the Israeli government

But he has aimed sniping jokes about the UK Jewish population saying they need a sense of humour among other things and the charges from within his own party are that he does not challenge strongly those who make clearly antisemitic comments. Doesn't sound like he can stand there and say he is innocent in this area to me.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: uncommitted

We've done this dance before and I pointed out the problems I had with May's deal at that time , repetition is boring.

You don't want Brexit , fine , we're two sides of the same coin , time will tell which side will land face up.

I don't recall any specifics at all, but happy to be called out and that if you actually did - with a link of course. If it's purely to do with Northern Ireland and the backstop, until there is any other solution, it's as workable as any and currently the DUP appear to be the only main NI party against it.