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posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: smurfy
The mostly secret tax bill as initiated, was sold to citizens as a move that would boost the economy, add jobs and hike wages. The president...Trump that is, said in one speech that it would bring the average American household “around a $4,000 pay raise”.

I guess it depends on how you define average. Single? Married? Have children?

Anyway, Trump did say that this was only Phase 1 of his planned tax cuts, focused more on business (large and small), and still wants to do his Phase 2 tax cuts focused more on individuals and families. That said...


As for the $4000 windfall for the average household, more like around $250, +/-

My family got a 3% cut in the rate, but combined with the doubling of the standard deduction and the doubling of the child tax credit (we have three kids), that equates to considerably more than a $4,000 savings - probably double that. That's close to an additional $750/month of disposable income.

I'll take these crumbs any day.


Give up those bloody corn flakes, they are turning your mind to mush!

You should heed your own advice.









posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Well keep hoping that republicans are going to change things for the better, cause that will do a lot of good. I find it funny that all the hardline right and left wingers really believe anyone in their chosen party is going to make a change for middle america, why would they, politicians are in such a sweet spot once they hit washington all they can dream of is staying there, and that sweet smell of all the bribes....I mean lobby money as if there is a difference. It will be status quo until we grow a pair and come together as a society and quit the bickering between right and left values and understand these kumquats are laughing all the way to the bank and using our tax dollars to ensure the lobbyist will continue to give $$ to their respective campaigns. Term Limits and getting the lobbyist out of washington is a start but a better start would be to start from scratch get rid of the swamp like ole orange man said he would do, yet it appears he has brought in more sewage than he has gotten rid of.
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posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 01:29 PM
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a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Weird mine went up since Orange has been in office, and I was fortunate enough to not see one iota of change when Barry was in office with either taxes or healthcare, but I was in the military with that sweet socialized healthcare I only wish I could have that back.....it was sooo bad not.



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: UniformKilo

Term limits are only part of the solution and we (the US people) don't have a successful track record with trying to limit the terms of our Congressmen. The Supreme Court threw out 23 states' laws who used their state laws to limit the terms of their sitting members of Congress.

Apparently the only way to effect the term limit change that is needed is to actually amend the Constitution.

The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.

So essentially you are asking the very people you want to limit...to willfully limit themselves. Based upon the vast dumping ground of currently sitting ass hats in the Congress (BOTH SIDES) your other statement about draining the swamp is accurate.

But let's be real. That can never happen. Why? Because the way you and I find out about information these days are through:

- Mainstream News
- Social Media
- Google
- Twitter
- Fakebook

The above 5 outlets are all controlled to promote those they want "elected" and to admonish or bury the ones they want opposed.

I agree with you that term limits are most definitely needed. However, simply limiting a term to the same trash that comprises our law makers will make zero difference if we don't actually have an open and free environment for information to flow without prejudice.

It's a never ending cycle of garbage in, garbage out. Rise and repeat.
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posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

I was a Democrat when I was a teen. Then I grew up and I am a moderate Republican, I believe in abortion, making weed legal, and I am not a Christian. I don't believe in killing babies in the third trimester though. I believe in abortion up to 24 weeks. I will never vote for a Democrat as I finally see who they really are.



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe

But, the real problem arose in 2008....transforming America indeed, and not for the better!!!! Socialism begins to rear its ugly head.
That election saw us begin the sink from middle class to working class, or even lower economically. Pension cuts and Obamacare did a number on me and many we knew. The racial divide deepens.


Wait...The middle class started to sink in 2008????
And Democrats gutted pensions???

Wow..

How many stats and headlines did you have to erase from your thinking to conclude that?

Pensions are nothing but greed from the middle class according to GOP.
Teachers are spoiled with their whole working 30 years and ending up with 25K a year in retirement.
Ditto those damn greedy cops and fire-fighters.

Unions suck.

And the middle class? Screw them. They should serve the 2%. The lord and serf system worked for a 1000 years before the USA got all uppity and decided life was not just for the richest amongst us.

Jesus..The GOP has declared open war on the middle class for decades. Ditto Pensions and unions or anything else that might offer the average working man security.



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 05:14 PM
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I've always said that both the Democrats and the Republicans think you're a child and they want to take your money and give it to people you wouldn't give it to yourself. The primary difference is that the Democrats think people are inherently good but fail because the system is rigged against them. So they want to be in charge to "help" the disadvantaged by changing the system. Republicans think people are basically bad and need to be disciplined and controlled, so they want to be in charge to beef up the system to make it work right for the people who want to play by the rules.

Both of them: "Give us your money! We know better than you!" Sick of all of them.


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posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift
I've always said that both the Democrats and the Republicans think you're a child and they want to take your money and give it to people you wouldn't give it to yourself. The primary difference is that the Democrats think people are inherently good but fail because the system is rigged against them. So they want to be in charge to "help" the disadvantaged by changing the system. Republicans think people are basically bad and need to be disciplined and controlled, so they want to be in charge to beef up the system to make it work right for the people who want to play by the rules.

Both of them: "Give us your money! We know better than you!" Sick of all of them.


Who taught you this as a difference between democrats and republicans or is this something you arrived at on your own?



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee
In my youth, I was a Republican War Monger - - supporting Goldwater.

Today I am a Global Humanist and Environmentalist.

The Republican party left me. It is not what it was.

They are today the party of Greed.

One would think - - the most evolved (supposedly) species on earth would have evolved beyond the animalistic instinct/behavior of survival of the fittest.

One would think.




But Goldwater was more of a "Libertarian" and Republicans didn't start any wars in the 1960s 😃


You know the American involvement in Vietnam started in the '50's with a Republican president don't you? Did you think you were making a clever comment perchance?



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: 1point92AU
Who taught you this as a difference between democrats and republicans or is this something you arrived at on your own?

I think it becomes fairly obvious when you see the kinds of legislation each group tries to pass. They base their decisions on what they think people are fundamentally like. Liberals will try to increase funding for social programs to help who they feel are historically disadvantaged in some way, often because of race or ethnicity. That would imply that they feel a person is not inherently responsible for their situations or actions, as they're dealing with a system that is historically weighted against them. Conservatives, on the other hand, will tend to want to put more money in law enforcement or provide tax breaks for large and successful business, indicating that they likely think that people are if not bad then at least selfishly opportunistic, and need to be controlled and regulated for their own good. Encouraged for following the rules and punished if they don't. They want people to take personal responsibility for their own successes or failures, and will ironically try to force them to do that.

Of course, there are variations within every group and each individual usually has a more complex view of dealing with their fellow humans. I'm just speaking in generalities. And I think most people have different attitudes when dealing with individuals as opposed to a general group of people. However, overall, I think it's reasonably accurate. Consider your own philosophical viewpoint. Do you think people are generally inherently good, or bad? Do your attitudes coincide with my observations?

Either way, as I said, the things they have in common are that they think they're better and smarter than you, they think you're a thick, ordinary idiot who either needs to be coddled or controlled, and they want to use you to get as much of your money as they can, primarily to line their own pockets.
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posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 01:28 PM
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While having avoided a vote for a Democrat candidate,
I did spend a long decade hoping for an Independent
choice that could gain some traction.

I thought Ron Paul would have been a good choice,
and could not bring myself to cast a vote for John McCain.
So, looking back I see that it was my actual vote, and
the action of voting that involved me in the process.

If I had sat it out knowing that McCain was going to win
anyways, I would have been robbed of the learning process,
in which I was shocked to learn that Obama won.

From there, I could clearly see that the Democrat party
was engaged in a slippery slope agenda.

From year to year they have careened leftwards into
an abyss. How can we forget the revealing emails that
were found to expose many of the leadership as hypocrites?

They rigged the 2016 election for Hillary, they call it
"proprietary". Hillary, along with being a terrible candidate,
running a bad campaign, really had nothing to offer.

Nothing new, nothing old that was worth keeping. She
represented a Neocon in hyena's clothing. Yet she was
pushed upon the American public with all of the might
and force of the FBI, the MSM, and the mighty DNC.

That much is not conspiracy, it is a proven fact. This
exposed much of the machinations of the Democrat
party, more than ever before. Oh, to be sure she
represented to them all of the things they love the
most; Power, Deceitfulness, Corruption, the list goes
on. Most of all she represented The Institutional Candidate,
the sanctioned one. The one who could win and suck
more blood from the American's who pay taxes, delpleting
the middle class and widening the cavern between the
poor and the rich.

Without a middle class ( working is NOT a crime ),
America can easily be swung into Socialism.

From the OP


All along the way, the Democrats have stepped on me, taxed me more, lied to me, called me names, and demand I give up my rights. Democrats were the ones pushing environmental causes at the expense of humans and government takeover of healthcare. They have mismanaged everything they get their hands on, and then blame others for their own deeds. I watch them lie and cheat and twist words. Democrats have alienated their own base to the point they have to argue for foreigners to come into this country illegally in order to vote for Democrats, mainly by calling those of us opposed to this "racist."

In all fairness, the weak Republicans in our government have hardly stood in their way. But that is another day, another rant.

I am now called racist, homophobic, misogynist, and Islamaphobic. A gun-toting, Bible-believing bitter clinger. A deplorable. A white nationalist. Nazi. I can’t remember all of my Democrat party subtitles.


www.americanthinker.com...

Well, enough is enough. That is sheer insanity, and is allowed to
flourish with the help of the MSM media and controlled opposition
in social media. Millions of bots, controlled by Soros minions, this is
an agenda no thinking person, freedom loving person will embrace.

I look forward to watching the Democrat party implode.




posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: burntheships





I look forward to watching the Democrat party implode.


I don't think they will implode. The corporate dollars are flowing into the dembs candidates like never before.

Money is the life blood of any political enterprise.

Ideology is one thing, reality is another; it's easy to get them confused!!

www.cbsnews.com...

www.wsj.com...


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posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee
In my youth, I was a Republican War Monger - - supporting Goldwater.

Today I am a Global Humanist and Environmentalist.

The Republican party left me. It is not what it was.

They are today the party of Greed.

One would think - - the most evolved (supposedly) species on earth would have evolved beyond the animalistic instinct/behavior of survival of the fittest.

One would think.




But Goldwater was more of a "Libertarian" and Republicans didn't start any wars in the 1960s 😃


You know the American involvement in Vietnam started in the '50's with a Republican president don't you? Did you think you were making a clever comment perchance?


Stop it !!

The heavy U.S. escalation and casualties happened with Johnson 🥥



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

I don't think they will implode. The corporate dollars are flowing into the dembs candidates like never before.

Money is the life blood of any political enterprise.

Ideology is one thing, reality is another; it's easy to get them confused!!



As I said, just look at Hillary and her campaign,
the DNC embraced that and ran with it.

That was the epitome of IDEOLOGY.

You can have all of the money, all of the corporate
might and still lose.

That is REALITY.



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: burntheships

Yup.

The Clinton 2016 Campaign was the richest and most powerful political campaign in world history 😃



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee
In my youth, I was a Republican War Monger - - supporting Goldwater.

Today I am a Global Humanist and Environmentalist.

The Republican party left me. It is not what it was.

They are today the party of Greed.

One would think - - the most evolved (supposedly) species on earth would have evolved beyond the animalistic instinct/behavior of survival of the fittest.

One would think.




But Goldwater was more of a "Libertarian" and Republicans didn't start any wars in the 1960s 😃


You know the American involvement in Vietnam started in the '50's with a Republican president don't you? Did you think you were making a clever comment perchance?


Stop it !!

The heavy U.S. escalation and casualties happened with Johnson 🥥


Did you actually read what you wrote? The Vietnam conflict started with Eisenhower, so if you want to call it a war then he started it. A Republican (Nixon) could certainly have ended it when it became clear it was unwinnable, but he didn't did he?



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: olaru12

I don't think they will implode. The corporate dollars are flowing into the dembs candidates like never before.

Money is the life blood of any political enterprise.

Ideology is one thing, reality is another; it's easy to get them confused!!



As I said, just look at Hillary and her campaign,
the DNC embraced that and ran with it.

That was the epitome of IDEOLOGY.

You can have all of the money, all of the corporate
might and still lose.

That is REALITY.







I don't like calling you out, but Clinton won the election but lost the electoral college vote, you know, the one Trump despised until it voted for him - seems the American system never trusts the actual voters doesn't it?



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: uncommitted

pphffffttt 😃

U.S. Troop Levels by Year


edit on Aug-16-2019 by xuenchen because: pffffftttt🤣



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: uncommitted

Which means she lost the election 🤣




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