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posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Trump is fighting for American jobs. He is trying to protect from base trade deals and open borders that hurt blue collar labor markets



Ahem,

Just 6% spent on workers’


The mostly secret tax bill as initiated, was sold to citizens as a move that would boost the economy, add jobs and hike wages. The president...Trump that is, said in one speech that it would bring the average American household “around a $4,000 pay raise”.

'Seizing on that, the Communications Workers of America, a 700,000-member union, asked eight major corporations to sign a pledge to hike worker wages by $4,000 a year if their tax rate was cut to 20%, the initial proposed rate. The companies balked and signed nothing'. (general internet sources)

If you look at the books you will find that The Brookings Institute are very scathing about Trump's tax cut, something Trump personally got around a 10% relief on since he still is involved in the Trump orgynisation, and indeed, even before he was 'President' he said he would be the first to make money out of being President...although that remains to be seen, while given his 10% will help with his chronic losses elsewhere.
As for the $4000 windfall for the average household, more like around $250, +/-

Give up those bloody corn flakes, they are turning your mind to mush!




posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

It's more like we choose the most important topics in politics and see where that lands.
If pro choice is important you'll lean left.
If pro gun is important you'll lean right.


Agreed.

Or rather, candidates pick the topics most likely to sway voters: abortion, guns, taxes, etc, and capitalize on them. Hot button issues that rile the "base" (R or D), because few are willing to acknowledge or concede any type of compromise.

That's part of the problem, while people cheer and echo talking points.

But that's..."politics."

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posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

I'd be one of those "old school" democrats. I left, too, when it was "stop Kavenaugh" by any means necessary. Though I was headed in that direction anyway, that was the straw that broke the camels back.

Until it changes, and I don't see that happening any time soon...they PTB's in the DNC are far too entrenched to change at the moment...I will remain very much on the outside, and not bothering to look in.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 08:54 PM
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People don't really have any political loyalty. If the economy tanks they will vote for the other party or just stay home, in hopes that it might make a difference. If the young folks start voting in substantial numbers, things might change however they will vote in their own best interest, just like everyone else.

SNIP: Removed Mod Comment
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posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: Annee

And all this time, I thought you were a Hubert Humphrey girl. I stand corrected. Im sorry


Im a Centrist, and I don't love anyone. Some people I hate, and some people I hate twice. And whoever is trying to take away my Constitutional rights and the most money, I hate thrice



Good thread DTOM. You lost your blinders!



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: Grambler


And even though I am a Republican, I want at LEAST two parties to be successful and represent the people

But the democrats running the party are extreme and horrible, and they want total control of all of our lives


I want the people to be represented too, but do you not see that is exactly what is happening with the republicans, in power? They are essentially shutting out everything democrat, and have for a while. Hell, McConnell said as much back when Obama was president, to Garland, and now that the democrats control the house he will not brings bills for a vote. Is that acceptable, is that right, is that partisan politics? Hell, is it even good for America?

Honest question.

That is not working together to represent the interests of the people who elected them.

Why won't people even *try* to work together?
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posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

Well I ran as a republican and am trying to fix things in that party

But be of the first things I vowed to do if elected was talk to the democrats who voted against me, and let them know I represent all people, not just those that voted for me

Though predictably I lost, but I will try again

The difference to me is how overboard the people running the Democratic Party have gone

Eliminate cars, free jobs to everyone, free money for those that don’t want to work, retro fit every single building in the USA for a new energy infrastructure, open borders

End due process based on genitalia, everyone who disagrees is a racist or Nazi

And these aren’t just random internet people saying this, but the leaders of the Democratic Party

No doubt there is plenty to complain about with republicans as wel; I do it frequently

But the Dems have lost their mind, and will continue to become crazier until they lose so bad they get rid of the extremists controlling the party


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posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 09:35 PM
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Daaang, Momma, you came out of the closet swinging. Nice.


I think the deep state percentage in congress and house--whether they fly blue or red--is better than 95%. Dem leadership seems to crank the banality of evil index up a little higher these days though---they ready to burn the country down!!



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

But Goldwater was more of a "Libertarian" and Republicans didn't start any wars in the 1960s 😃


Well that sure is a blatant half truth right there huh? Kennedy's escalation of Vietnam was a continuance of the much more quiet war we were fighting there throughout the 50s.

And while the Republicans didn't start any wars in the 60s they sure as hell were in almost total lockstep with the war in South East Asia and fought at every opportunity against de-escalation.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

I don't think to many people are totally democrat or republican.
It's more like we choose the most important topics in politics and see where that lands.
If pro choice is important you'll lean left.
If pro gun is important you'll lean right.


That is all so true.
There are people who vote one party of the other...all the time.
Most people, I believe, vote issues, like you said.
Even more would happily vote third party if there was a candidate who could win the Presidency.....and not just dilute the chances of one candidate or the other.
We end up voting for the lesser of two evils, or against a candidate rather than for a candidate.

There is too much greed in politics....and like many other facets of our lives, we have monetized politics.
It joins sports, music, healthcare, education...hell, you name it.
Greed has taken over.
Even socialism are monetized.....how else could you have millionaires who are socialists.


edit on Tue Aug 13 2019 by DontTreadOnMe because: forgot to add education....one of the nastiest things we've monetized!!!!!!



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
People don't really have any political loyalty. If the economy tanks they will vote for the other party or just stay home, in hopes that it might make a difference. If the young folks start voting in substantial numbers....


No, that is true....probably because neither party is worth their loyalty!
People don't like parties/politicians constantly bickering with each other....and their needs to be bipartisanship to get things done.
And the sneaky pork sucks!!!!!!!!!

Staying home is never a good idea.....and I firmly believe that those who do not vote deserve what they get, and lose the right to complain!



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Johnson did the most damage and got the most "casualties" 🍍



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 10:13 PM
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I am officially announcing that I will run for office in 2024 after Trump's done with his 2nd term.

I won't be Ron Paul 2.0 even though I'll probably get called that but I'll just be Muzzleflash the Libertarian Constitutionalist that isn't afraid to speak the Truth to power.

I have all the talents and skills necessary and am aggressive and witty enough to thrash all the opposition and the fake news - but I need ATS to serve as my cabinet and advisory board.

Yall are going to help keep making America greater and greater right???
Than let's go take the White House where we belong!!
Wooohooo!!!



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: Grambler




But the Dems have lost their mind, and will continue to become crazier until they lose so bad they get rid of the extremists controlling the party


The dembs are just like the GOP; let the youngsters rant and rave and have their say early, but when the rubber meets the road with the big money corporate campaign donations rolling in, it will revert back just like it's always been.... The best damn government money can buy. No one really cares about the corruption.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 10:19 PM
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Who here will be my VP though?

I need someone bold, ambitious, and cunning.
Someone willing to strike at the heart of the establishment that isn't afraid of anything.

Someone twice as zealous as myself.
That way they'll be afraid to assassinate me or else they'll really be in for it.

Hmmmmm I wonder who that person is...



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 10:21 PM
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I used to be liberal too, I would vote mostly Democrat except I always listened to the presidential candidates and voted for the one I thought would be better for the country. It was around 2012 for me when I started noticing the liberals were getting too aggressive and were pushing policy for our country that was not good for it. At the 2016 mark, I lost faith in the Democratic party pretty much completely and my disappointment has gotten much worse since then.

I am now ashamed to say I once was a Democratic liberal.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

You will def be my choice for press secretary.

Also instead of using Twitter as our main outlet we'll be using ATS lol.

I have great Faith that you can handle the MSM clowns easily Xuenchen.
We need a pro like you on the front line. You have the right energy and lots of spunk.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 11:39 PM
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So you were a democrat until the democrats started enacting democratic policies when they got the power to do so?

I am not sure I understand you problem.

The recession that caused pensions to tank started as early as 2006. Obamacare was designed to end people being forced to get insurance from work thus freeing people to work where they wanted instead of where they had to for coverage, yet 1 "libertarian" Senator and a WHOLE bunch of GOP members ensured to sabotage it from the start with amendments, propaganda after its pass, lawsuits, and denying their states population medicare expansion.

What a shock the racial divide widened when a black man became president and then the GOP elected a man that has some very terrible view points.

I dont feel like this thread nor the article posted was made in good faith.



posted on Aug, 14 2019 @ 12:31 AM
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a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

As I mentioned previously,
the democratic party is no longer
worthy of holding the JFK banner.

Many are current members of CPUSA.
www.cpusa.org...
www.cpusa.org...
Often on the sly.
Due diligence research reveals their true
nature by the CPUSA membership of the
members of their staff/associates/donors.

Many will brush off this reality as modern day
McCarthyism or some other label of denouncement.

I should know, I am a realist. S&F to your thread.



posted on Aug, 14 2019 @ 12:42 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Actually, the worst came from poorer backgrounds, but feel free to invent whatever boogeymen you wish.




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