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Can we stop with the lie the fbi will still bring the powerful to justice despite Epstein’s death?

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posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Grambler

You know they say sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

What if the truth is that he really did just commit suicide?
It would be very evil/genius on his part.


It wouldn't make the situation any better. DOJ was presented with a chance to take down a lot of people for heinous crimes. I'm sure they would need Epstein to corroborate evidence in the other trials.

They should have made sure he couldn't commit suicide or get suicided.




posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 11:33 AM
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About 10 years ago I still trusted our government. It infuriated me when the tin foil hats suggested the Government was dosing the public with chem trails. My title was Environmental Supervisor. My mentor said " Phil, you are environmental, you know what to do. Pull up their Material safety data sheets and see what is in the JP fuel. I found aluminum, barium and other chemicals in the fuel, at different levels, and a foot note saying, as instructed by the government. Tears rolled down my face. This was a legitimate giant Texas refinery site I found it on.

I will never trust our government again



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

All the FBI agents I know are overloaded working on terrorism. As far as I know there are very little resources being spent on fighting local corruption or anything that is not terrorism related.



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Grambler

You know they say sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

What if the truth is that he really did just commit suicide?
It would be very evil/genius on his part.





Yeah its totally possible but the question I am asking is was he aloud to do it, why did they not have him on suicide watch, why move his cellmate, I want to know how he had the opportunity to do this, that is where I think the conspiracy is.



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: visitedbythem
About 10 years ago I still trusted our government. It infuriated me when the tin foil hats suggested the Government was dosing the public with chem trails. My title was Environmental Supervisor. My mentor said " Phil, you are environmental, you know what to do. Pull up their Material safety data sheets and see what is in the JP fuel. I found aluminum, barium and other chemicals in the fuel, at different levels, and a foot note saying, as instructed by the government. Tears rolled down my face. This was a legitimate giant Texas refinery site I found it on.

I will never trust our government again


Do you have a link? I would love to read it.



Supposedly he was talking hypothetically but this kind of falls into the category "we never imagined terrorists would fly airplanes into buildings."



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn


Barr, who said in a statement over the weekend that he was “appalled” by Epstein’s death, also fired a warning shot to anyone who may have been involved in the wealthy financier’s alleged crimes. “Any co-conspirators should not rest easy,” Barr said.

“The victims deserve justice and they will get it.”
CNBC

Just read this, looks good, we'll see if he carries through.



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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Agreed. We can't trust Trumps' FBI



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
Agreed. We can't trust Trumps' FBI


Trump is a interesting part of this.

Lets assume it is some kind of government conspiracy.

Just for a second.

Among Epstiens many rich friends was Trump.

His supporters who are suspicious of the circumstances of this death must accept I think that to some extent its possible that Trump could have been behind this. Could this be a plot to protect the office of President from a massive scandal.



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: odzeandennz
Agreed. We can't trust Trumps' FBI


Trump is a interesting part of this.

Lets assume it is some kind of government conspiracy.

Just for a second.

Among Epstiens many rich friends was Trump.

His supporters who are suspicious of the circumstances of this death must accept I think that to some extent its possible that Trump could have been behind this. Could this be a plot to protect the office of President from a massive scandal.


Nope.

Because democrats, some republicans, and even loons from across the pond want Trump gone/dead/out/disgraced.

If there was a shred of evidence implicating Trump, it'd already be front page news right now.



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 01:44 PM
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Wouldn't surprise me if Epstein's "Black Book" turns up in a week and Trumps name is on top of the list along with a couple of "expendable" democrats...



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: odzeandennz
Agreed. We can't trust Trumps' FBI


Trump is a interesting part of this.

Lets assume it is some kind of government conspiracy.

Just for a second.

Among Epstiens many rich friends was Trump.

His supporters who are suspicious of the circumstances of this death must accept I think that to some extent its possible that Trump could have been behind this. Could this be a plot to protect the office of President from a massive scandal.


Nope.

Because democrats, some republicans, and even loons from across the pond want Trump gone/dead/out/disgraced.

If there was a shred of evidence implicating Trump, it'd already be front page news right now.


The thing is though he seems to be as connected as Clinton et al where.

Am not saying this as a "trump basing" post am just pointing out that if (yes if) Trump was about to be implicated in Epstiens crimes then his death is very convenient for the President. That does raise the question then, if we are to believe that there is a conspiracy at please hear how far up the chain of command does this thing go.



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 02:09 PM
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Grambler wrote:


“I’m supposed to believe that the same fbi that gave Epstein a slap on the wrist in 2009, then was forced to arrest him again because the court documents on Epstein were about to be released “


The FBI didn’t give Epstein a “slap on the wrist” in 2009, Alex Acosta did. He was the US attorney for the Southern District of Florida and Trump’s Secretary of Labor until last month, when he resigned due to his handling of the Epstein case. Epstein’s original investigation for prosecution was started under state laws. The Feds didn’t get involved at that time because the case was already being prosecuted under state laws. Epstein’s high priced attorneys managed to get the state charges against Epstein (which included around 50 complaints from underage girls) down to one felony count. At that point the Palm Beach Chief of Police worked to get the FBI involved, because he thought that someone in the Florida State system had put the fix in. The FBI DID get involved and within about a year, returned enough evidence to fill a 56 page investigation report against Epstein, which resulted in the convening of a Federal Grand Jury. The FBI did their job perfectly, but at that point their job was complete. It is the US Attorney, NOT the FBI that makes the decision to prosecute or decline to prosecute and decides how to prosecute. After a few months, Acosta signed a non-prosecution agreement with Epstein that prevented any Federal prosecution against him and his cohorts. That was the “slap on the wrist”. It was delivered by Acosta, not the FBI.


“The same fbi that knew Epstein either tried to kill him self or was attacked weeks ago, but decided he didn’t need cameras on his cell or increased surveillance….”


The FBI has no jurisdiction within Federal prisons and couldn’t make any decisions at all about surveillance cameras. Federal prisons are operated and managed by the Bureau of Prisons, which is a separate Bureau under the Justice Department. It reports to Attorney General Barr. The Bureau of Prisons makes all the decisions about where and how prisoners are kept.


“The same fbi who allowed the most important prisoner and witness to the most heinous crimes committed by some of the most powerful in the world to be killed while in their custody, despite the fact that everyone knew this was a huge possibility ….”


Epstein did not die while in the custody of the FBI. He died in the custody of the Bureau of Prisons.


“If the fbi couldn’t protect Epstein, how can they protect the evidence they got? Am I to believe that they are monitoring the evidence better than they did Epstein? “


They are almost certainly monitoring any evidence they have better than they did Epstein, because they were not monitoring Epstein at all. It wasn’t their responsibility once he was moved to Federal prison.


“These mainstream people may think I am a conspiracy theorist for not believing the official story and not trusting the ..”


No, but I think you are an ignoramus for erroneously confusing the role of the FBI with the roles of the US Attorney and the Bureau of Prisons. reply to: Grambler



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

We should hand over the policing across state and county lines to a guy in a car. That would fix it.




posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Grambler


Having faith in government = being stupid


Oh my God Aug....

I am just so happy to hear you say this!



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: odzeandennz
Agreed. We can't trust Trumps' FBI


Trump is a interesting part of this.

Lets assume it is some kind of government conspiracy.

Just for a second.

Among Epstiens many rich friends was Trump.

His supporters who are suspicious of the circumstances of this death must accept I think that to some extent its possible that Trump could have been behind this. Could this be a plot to protect the office of President from a massive scandal.


Nope.

Because democrats, some republicans, and even loons from across the pond want Trump gone/dead/out/disgraced.

If there was a shred of evidence implicating Trump, it'd already be front page news right now.


The thing is though he seems to be as connected as Clinton et al where.

Am not saying this as a "trump basing" post am just pointing out that if (yes if) Trump was about to be implicated in Epstiens crimes then his death is very convenient for the President. That does raise the question then, if we are to believe that there is a conspiracy at please hear how far up the chain of command does this thing go.


Really if all these rumors about Epstein are true - than it's not just Trump who has to be worried - it's past presidents, British royalty, hell - anyone important and rich you can think of damn near!!

This is truly a SHTF scenario and it's off the hook!
I'm pretty sure the whole shebang is implicated so...

I dunno what to say. Just wow...



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: muzzleflash

To be honest Prince Andrew also looks like he needs locked up over all of this. That could be very interesting, if he is proven to have had sex with a minor and has to be extradited to America for trial could you imagine the political fall out.

This entire thing is a #ing mess and the guy in the middle of the mess is now conveniently dead for everyone involved.

I honestly don't care who is implicated, if they have been messing about with kids jail them, I don't care what your second name is, I don't care if you a hippy loving socialist lefty or a hard right winger, I don't care if your a prince or a president, if you done wrong you deserve to be locked up in my book.

I think we need to take the politics out of it and seriously look at who was attending Epstiens perverted parties.



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Grambler

I'm very skeptical of the FBI, mainly because since their inception, have done things that effected politics and also been tied to many shady things.



They worked with the mob during ww2.



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: 1947boomer

And I think you are an ignoramus for believing the fbi is not at fault here

First, we know they were leading the investigation into Epstein in the mid to late 2000s

www.theguardian.com...

You are right that Obama’s doj are the ones that ultimately gave him a slap on the wrist, but the fbi did the investigation and brought no charges themselves

These corrupt deep state organizations work in tandem as we see with the Russia investigation with Brennan and comey and even clapper

Your covering for the fbi is admirable though, if not also disgusting

I don’t care what you say, if the fbi wasvtaking this case seriously, they would not have allowed this man to be taken off of suicide watch AFTER the previous attempt on his life

Conspiracy theorists like you that always seek to defend the actions of these corrupt organizations like the fbi always pop up to tel is how it's always just coincidence and some low level guys fault, but the fbi or cia etc are totally awesome and competent and the best ever

Sorry, not buying it



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: muzzleflash

To be honest Prince Andrew also looks like he needs locked up over all of this. That could be very interesting, if he is proven to have had sex with a minor and has to be extradited to America for trial could you imagine the political fall out.

This entire thing is a #ing mess and the guy in the middle of the mess is now conveniently dead for everyone involved.

I honestly don't care who is implicated, if they have been messing about with kids jail them, I don't care what your second name is, I don't care if you a hippy loving socialist lefty or a hard right winger, I don't care if your a prince or a president, if you done wrong you deserve to be locked up in my book.

I think we need to take the politics out of it and seriously look at who was attending Epstiens perverted parties.


Amen to that.



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

The FBI does not operate prisons. That would be the FBoP.

Under the DOJ.



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