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originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: dfnj2015
The military industrial establishment is the biggest socialist program in the government and simple cannot be stopped.
I won't deny that our military spending could use some trimming, but medical/healthcare (which *are* socialist) and social security (which is dipped into for discretionary spending and *has become* a socialist ponzi scheme) overshadow it by quite a bit, and our interest on the debt is catching up.
Socialist government spending is when the government uses its power to control/regulate/provide privately produced goods and services by public mandate. Therefore, buying a tank is not socialism. Telling a private doctor how to do their private business is socialism. Building a public road is not socialism. Taking private earnings from one person and immediately giving those private earnings to other private citizens as a SS check is socialism (and legalized theft.)
originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: dfnj2015
By the way, when it comes to your precious money coming out of your pocket for socialism just remember it's not how much in taxes that is important. What is important is the purchasing power of your take home pay. I think the billionaires paying the lobbyists to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies is a much bigger problem in this country than the $60 billion being spent per year on the Welfare program (we spend close to one trillion on the military complain about that).
It does matter how much in taxes. They have calculations out on how much all these socialist policies would cost and it's around $70,000 for each family in the US to pay for the free stuff the left is promising. That is $20,000 over the annual median salary here in my hometown.
So where are you going to get the money? You can't tax the people more than they make.
originally posted by: Halfswede
Unless they are also Nazi-ist, despotist, communist, monarchist etc.
There is a trend by the socialists to try and shame those against socialism by saying things like:
"Do you hate driving on nice roads? Do you hate infrastructure and schools? " etc. because "That's socialism"
The implication is that if you are against socialism, you are against public works and civic improvement.