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Suicide at the jail, which serves mainly as a holding facility for about 765 men and women awaiting trial for federal crimes of all levels, is rare. A review of published stories found only one such death in the past 21 years, the 1998 suicide of South Philadelphia drug kingpin Louis Turra, who reportedly hanged himself. A handful of suicide attempts were also reported. But life in the specialized units often involves inmates being watched by cameras in their cells and checked by guards almost constantly.
There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility. Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything. You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen. When you’re on suicide watch, they put you in this white smock, a straight jacket. They know a person cannot be injurious to themselves.
There are also claims of extreme brutality by those who are held at the MCC. In September of 2017, Laufer filed a lawsuit alleging that after 35-year-old Roberto Grant was beaten to death at MCC in May 2015, the prison staff tried to cover it up, by telling his Grant’s family he’d died of an overdose. Gothamist reviewed a copy of the autopsy performed on Grant by the New York City Medical Examiner, which stated the father of two had suffered “blunt force injuries of the head, neck, torso, and extremities” and had no detectable traces of drugs in his system. “You have someone who’s beaten to death in MCC, and there are cameras everywhere,” Laufer said. “There’s not an inch of that facility that is not surveilled. No one cares.”
are you and your source trying to say
“You have someone who’s beaten to death in MCC, and there are cameras everywhere,” Laufer said. “There’s not an inch of that facility that is not surveilled
originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: Sookiechacha
To date only the MSM is reporting suicide as factually while the FBI hasn't confirmed that yet.
are you and your source trying to say
I am not saying anything other than what two former inmates are saying. They are saying that its nearly impossible to commit suicide in the cell he was in. Form your own opinion. Look at the "Gulag" article from 2018. In another article, one prisoner say that Epstein would eat his food off the floor. I didn't link that article here.
So after trying to kill himself he is not on suicide watch because .... why?
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Waterglass
Epstein wasn't on suicide watch. Other than that, are you and your source trying to say that Epstein didn't die from hanging, because hanging oneself, even with assistance, in a jail cell is impossible?
originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: Sookiechacha
To date only the MSM is reporting suicide as factually while the FBI hasn't confirmed that yet.
are you and your source trying to say
I am not saying anything other than what two former inmates are saying. They are saying that its nearly impossible to commit suicide in the cell he was in. Form your own opinion. Look at the "Gulag" article from 2018. In another article, one prisoner say that Epstein would eat his food off the floor. I didn't link that article here.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Sookiechacha
So after trying to kill himself he is not on suicide watch because .... why?
originally posted by: Diaspar
a reply to: RickinVa
Coroner's report is critical.
Can we believe what they'll say though?
They may have been leveraged to declare it "suicide"
Unless the ME says "Not suicide, foul play involved", i'm not sure we're going to believe what we're told
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Waterglass
“You have someone who’s beaten to death in MCC, and there are cameras everywhere,” Laufer said. “There’s not an inch of that facility that is not surveilled
If this is the case, then we can expect the DOJ and FBI investigation to be over quickly, right? For that matter it should be over by now one might assume.
However it this complete surveillance system did not record the death for one reason or another then we can assume that someone messed with the cameras and THAT would also be know immediately. Don't you think?
So in either event we should be hearing about the results shortly.
originally posted by: RickinVa
originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: Sookiechacha
To date only the MSM is reporting suicide as factually while the FBI hasn't confirmed that yet.
are you and your source trying to say
I am not saying anything other than what two former inmates are saying. They are saying that its nearly impossible to commit suicide in the cell he was in. Form your own opinion. Look at the "Gulag" article from 2018. In another article, one prisoner say that Epstein would eat his food off the floor. I didn't link that article here.
It was initially reported as a heart attack, but very quickly switched to suicide. Coroner's report is critical.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
originally posted by: RickinVa
originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: Sookiechacha
To date only the MSM is reporting suicide as factually while the FBI hasn't confirmed that yet.
are you and your source trying to say
I am not saying anything other than what two former inmates are saying. They are saying that its nearly impossible to commit suicide in the cell he was in. Form your own opinion. Look at the "Gulag" article from 2018. In another article, one prisoner say that Epstein would eat his food off the floor. I didn't link that article here.
It was initially reported as a heart attack, but very quickly switched to suicide. Coroner's report is critical.
No it wasn’t. It was reported that he was found in cardiac arrest.