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Margaret Sanger Letter to Doctor C. J. Gamble 12-10-39

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posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 03:15 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Ty for posting.
Hillary's mentor in her own (actual) racist words sets into ink her vile dream of genocide.
"Exterminate" a population of human being.....
WtH?
My God, these people are sick!




posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 04:35 AM
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a reply to: research100

What makes her stand out is that while everyone else was pushing forced sterilizations of those that they deemed as being less valuable to society, she went a different route, letting the women herself decide when she should reproduce and giving her the means to have some control over it. Like letting the feeble minded women decide for themselves how many kids is too many is worse than the men writing up laws that lasted up to the 60s and 70s that enabled them to decide who should be deemed unfit to have kids and a good candidate for sterilization.
And if you look through the discussions on ATS long enough, you will find some (who seem to lean right on the political scale) who will promote the idea of sterilization of those receiving govt assistance.

Just cant help but think that it has less to do with genocidal tendencies and more to do with just who decides which women should, or shouldn't be having kids.
And, of course, who is choosing more often not to have kids at the present time.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 06:21 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




In the letter in the op she shows to be racist, labeling all blacks as ignorant


Not just blacks. She thought the mass majority of women, of all colors, and their husbands, were completely ignorant about their bodies and birth control. She was right, because that ignorance was guaranteed as it was written into law. Under the Comstock Act sex education was illegal, so was birth control.



She was into "race purity,"


I don't know about that, maybe she was. It was, in fact, illegal for whites and black to marry, let alone date in 1939. A lot of people, and religions, still value race purity and promote marriages within their racial and cultural communities.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 06:53 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: Sookiechacha
You mean genocide.



originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Sookiechacha

You mean her project to exterminate the black population?


With birth control? How does one exterminate a race, commit genocide, by advocating for condoms, diagrams and spermicide?


Women are the only ones capable of creating new humans.
if ALL women EVERYWHERE suddenly decided not to have babies anymore, the death to birth ratio would be off the charts. I wonder for how long would humans survive? 50 years? 70 years?
Apply this to a single race -white ppl, blacks, asians, the native populations of the new world... or to everyone who has mixed blood..
And if that's not genocide, i don't know what is.
And let's not forget that those products allow women to have sex without getting pregnant.

disclaimer: i'm not familiar with whom this lady is, not familiar with the problems people of any race are faced with (except for white ppl) and i do think that every woman regardless of her skin color, place of origin or religion should be able to decide for herself what happens to her body. I also think that no race is better than another. What makes people better or worse than others is their morals, not how they look -that's stupid.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

People who advocate that route are less about forcing a woman not to have kids and more about not paying her to do it. Actually, the better route would be to stop expanding government assistance for every kid she has so there is no incentive to be fecund. Children cease to be looked at as a pay raise or means to financial independence.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: Kryscent

Women should decide. The argument for the most part is over when that decision should wisely take place -- before the woman creates new life or after. No matter how effective birth control is, even when used correctly, it does carry a chance for failure, and every woman should be aware of that and ready to face those consequences.

Of course, for a certain facet of society, they don't like that approach to sex because they're prefer it to be a fun recreational activity to engage in without fault whenever you're drunk and bored on Friday night. If you had to go back to approaching sex as a potential life-changing, serious thing, it gets to be something you approach far more seriously, maybe engage in far less often.

And the old hippie, free-love types cannot abide that.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 07:28 AM
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if ALL women EVERYWHERE suddenly decided not to have babies anymore, the death to birth ratio would be off the charts. I wonder for how long would humans survive? 50 years? 70 years?


LOL
Whelp, birth control has been available to married women since 1917 and we're not extinct yet!



And let's not forget that those products allow women to have sex without getting pregnant.


LOLOLOL

Oh noes!



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 08:09 AM
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originally posted by: Kryscent
Apply this to a single race -white ppl, blacks, asians, the native populations of the new world... or to everyone who has mixed blood..
And if that's not genocide, i don't know what is.


NO contraception is not genocide ........it enables women to to have as

many, and spaced out over time children she wants and can cope with ,

otherwise women would produce at a rate of one every year. '


I had four in five years, before there was the choice of contraception that

are available now.




And let's not forget that those products allow women to have sex without getting pregnant.
.



Whe Hay!! and whats wrong with that?



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 08:35 AM
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Lol... if all women everywhere decided not to have kids our lawmakers ( still predominantly male) would be hastily writing bilblical like laws forcing little girls into marriage and demanding obedience to their husbands.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Kryscent

Women should decide. The argument for the most part is over when that decision should wisely take place -- before the woman creates new life or after. No matter how effective birth control is, even when used correctly, it does carry a chance for failure, and every woman should be aware of that and ready to face those consequences.

Of course, for a certain facet of society, they don't like that approach to sex because they're prefer it to be a fun recreational activity to engage in without fault whenever you're drunk and bored on Friday night. If you had to go back to approaching sex as a potential life-changing, serious thing, it gets to be something you approach far more seriously, maybe engage in far less often.

And the old hippie, free-love types cannot abide that.


Seems like you've got it all figured out. That's really the deal. People just want to have fun without the consequence and they have little to no control of themselves.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 09:20 AM
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And it goes even deeper than that.

The Bible tells of God destroying people. That's fine.

When the irresponsible are making a world of bastards they should be able to clean up the mess they've made. Abortion is a start. Also, parents could strike their own children dead if those children don't please them. That would stop a little bit more of the unfit.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: Generation9

But it really has nothing to do with fit or unfit. Most families today would not be financially fit to handle the large family size that was common when Sanger opened her first clinics. And while the not so well off in the states were restrained by the Comstock laws blocked from the knowledge and tools that were freely available in Europe the more well off had the means to travel and obtain them and decide when enough was enough.

And, there were lots of famous upstanding people of that time that were into and funding various eugenics programs as well as lobbying state and federal lawmakers for laws to legislate who was fit and who wasn't and then to proceed to ensure the unfit wasn't able to produce offspring.
Sanger didn't force, didn't trick, didn't secretly perform medical procedures on anyone. She just offered women a service, that considering she had a rather long line outside her first clinic opening day I think women wanted her service.

Before you go griping about people wanting to have fun without having to accept the consequences I would venture to guess that there will come times in everyone's marriage where one or both partners will decide that it's just not a good time to have a child, or maybe even they are happy with their family size. And, thanks to the work of Sanger and others like her in the past, they can still have the fun while limiting their family size.
And, I would like to point out that it is much healthier for both the women and the children she has for the pregnancies to be spaced out.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: research100

That is not proof, that's a meme which could be made up like the majority of the memes are. So you don't actually have any real evidence to support your argument?



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Not just blacks. She thought the mass majority of women, of all colors, and their husbands, were completely ignorant about their bodies and birth control. She was right, because that ignorance was guaranteed as it was written into law. Under the Comstock Act sex education was illegal, so was birth control.


The letter was in specific about black people, and she labeled them as ignorant, and superstitious. How about you prove that she wrote the same thing about white people?



originally posted by: Sookiechacha
I don't know about that, maybe she was. It was, in fact, illegal for whites and black to marry, let alone date in 1939. A lot of people, and religions, still value race purity and promote marriages within their racial and cultural communities.


For crying out loud i gave several excerpts from her, she was into racial purity. It is the reason why the kkk invited her time and again to give speeches...



edit on 13-8-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 08:03 PM
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“Birth control is the first important step woman must take toward the goal of her freedom. It is the first step she must take to be man’s equal. It is the first step they must both take toward human emancipation.” — Margaret Sanger



“She goes through the vale of death alone, each time a babe is born. As it is the right neither of man nor the state to coerce her into this ordeal, so it is her right to decide whether she will endure it.” — Margaret Sanger


themillions.com...


1950 While in her 80s, Sanger underwrote the research necessary to create the first human birth control pill. She raised $150,000 for the project.

1960 The first oral contraceptive, Enovid, was approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as contraception.

1965 The Supreme Court (in Griswold v. Connecticut) gave married couples the right to use birth control, ruling that it was protected in the Constitution as a right to privacy. However, millions of unmarried women in 26 states were still denied birth control.
www.ourbodiesourselves.org...

Sangers goals were to provide legal accessible sex education and birth control to all women, of all colors, cultures and social circles.

Nothing Sanger did promoted genocide of any race.



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 08:54 PM
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Sangers goals were to provide legal accessible sex education and birth control to all women, of all colors, cultures and social circles. Nothing Sanger did promoted genocide of any race.

Again , my advice to you is to check real history
Or not , and continue posting in ignorance.
Websites ARE NOT the way to learn.
Start with reading Sanger's own research and papers.

edit on 8/13/19 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 09:49 PM
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Sangers goals were to provide legal accessible sex education and birth control to all women, of all colors, cultures and social circles. Nothing Sanger did promoted genocide of any race.


^^^^ Completely factual^^^^^



posted on Aug, 13 2019 @ 10:32 PM
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REALLY???? www.newsleader.com...

this is about the senate passed a bill to help victims to assist the victims of eugenics In 2002, then-Governor Warner formally apologized for Virginia’s decision to forcibly sterilize nearly 7,500 Virginians between 1924 and 1979. His apology was the first by the governor of any of the more than 30 states that conducted eugenics sterilizations on a combined 60,000 citizens.

so they are helping these people for something that never happened in those 30 states

between 1907 and and 1937 32 states passed eugenics law 60,000 people were sterilized.

this link www.eugenicsarchive.org... shows a map of the usa and each state that had the law has the date it eneacted the eugenics law




originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: research100

That is not proof, that's a meme which could be made up like the majority of the memes are. So you don't actually have any real evidence to support your argument?

edit on 13-8-2019 by research100 because: added info

edit on 13-8-2019 by research100 because: added info

edit on 13-8-2019 by research100 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 14 2019 @ 01:26 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: research100

That is not proof, that's a meme which could be made up like the majority of the memes are. So you don't actually have any real evidence to support your argument?


was going to add this to my post above to you but ran out of time........states that enacted the eugenics law the date the governor who signed it and their party....is that good enough for you (my links are in the first post above this)

01. Indiana...............04/09/1907 frank james hanley ...(R)
02. Washington state...03/05/1909 Samuel ECosgove......(R)
03. Calif..................04/26/1909 James Gillet............(R)
04. Conneticut...........04/12/1909 Frank B. Weeks........(R)
05. Nevada...............04/17/1911 Tasker L. Oddie........(R)
06. Iowa..................04/10/1910 Beryl F. Cassell.........(R)
07. New Jersey..........04/12/1909 John F. Fort.............(R)
08 .New York............04/16/1912 John Aldin Dix..........(D)
09. N. Dakota............03/13/1913 John Burke.............(D)
10. Kansas................03.14/1913 George H. Hodges.....(D)
11. Wisconsin............07/30/1913 Francese MacGoreth .(D)
12. Michigan.............04/01/1913 Woodbridge N. Ferris..(D)
13. Nebraska.............07/08/1915 John Morehead.........(D)
14. New Hampshire.....04/18/1917 Henry W. Keyes.......(R)
15. Oregon...............02/19/1917 James Withyeombre...(R)
16, S. Dakota............03/08/1917 Peter Norbeck..........(R)
17. Alabama.............09/29/1919 Charles Henderson....(D)
18. Montana.............03/15/1923 Joseph M. Dixon.......(R)
19. Delaware ...........03/20/1924 William Denney........(R)
20. Virginia..............03/20/1924 Elbert Lee Trinkle.....(D)
21. Idaho.................03/13/1925 Charles C. Moore.......(R)
22. Minnesota............04/08/1925 Theodore Christianson (R)
23. Utah..................03/16/1925 George Dern.............(D)
24. Maine.................04/11/1925 Owen Brewster.........(R)
25. Mississippi...........04/16/1928 Theodore Bilbo........(D)
26. N. Carolina..........02/18/1929 Oliver Gardner........(D)
27. W Virginia...........03/03/1929 Ephram F. Morgan.....(R)
28. Arizona..............03/09/1929 John C. Phillie.........(R)
29. Vermont.............03/09/1931 Stanley Wilson.........(R)
30. Oklahoma...........04/24/1931 William Murray........(D)
31. S. Carolina..........03/17/1931 Olin Johnston..........(D)

It is really late I apologize if I made any mistakes.......anyway many republicans were into eugenics it was popular with many many people back then



posted on Aug, 14 2019 @ 05:16 AM
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a reply to: research100

Hmm...
I guess the good old "just dont have sex" bit didn't work for them either.




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