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Margaret Sanger Letter to Doctor C. J. Gamble 12-10-39

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posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn

Again, more black babies are aborted than are allowed to be born. That's her legacy.




That is known as freedom of choice and is available to women of ALL

colours and race. It is NOT forced on any woman.




posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Yep. I have posted in the past the fact that even on her own newsletter, Birth Control Review, on April 1933 she published at least one of the papers by Ernst Rudin. Ernst Rudin is the nazi doctor whom masterminded the holocaust, including the murder of children. In that paper she published in her newsletter Rudin emphasizes the "urgent need to sterilize" certain sectors of the population. Those sectors include what Rudin and even Sanger have called "mental defectives," to which Rudin gives 3 degrees, the "low, middle and high grade." For the "high grade of deficients" Rudin claims that "their defect is not easy to recognize." Both Rudin and Sanger called anyone whom disagrees with their political views as "mental defectives." In fact we also have in her own writings the fact that she called for the murder of politicians who DARED disagree with her as well, so "political opponents" were/are part of the "defectives."

Here is a link to the entire newsletter for that month, and in specific the page where you can find Rudin's paper.



archive.org...

I have also written in the past how the nazis also misused "psychiatry for political purposes," aka "abuse of psychiatry" and like many in the left are doing today the nazis claimed that "political opposition to national socialism" is a sign of mental deficiency." Amongst the poor souls that were murdered which included Jewish people and other minorities, as well as homosexuals, gypsies, etc there were also "political opponents" that were sent to concentration camps and were murdered as well. Political opponents included anyone and everyone whom had a different idea of what form of socialism, or communism should exist in Germany. Like many former/present radical leftists such as Stalin, Lenin, the castro brothers, Maduro, etc, anyone whom was/is a socialist but wanted a different branch of socialism, or communism, implemented and whom was considered a threat was/is eliminated.


By Lucille Femine on September 16, 2013
...
It is commonly believed that Hitler ordered the mass execution, including cruel human experimentation, of Jews, gypsies and homosexuals during World War ll. Although just as responsible, he did not order that dark turning point in history, he simply signed his consent.

It was actually psychiatrists who initiated and carried it all out on such a massive scale. Nazis were the first in history to use extermination camps and all done with such chilling organization.

The two main areas that psychiatrists concentrated on were sterilization and euthanasia. They were responsible for reporting these “patients” over to the authorities and from there, to the gas chambers, killing over 200,000 people deemed mentally ill. These included many thousands of feeble-minded children. The real intention was to rid the master race of “undesirables.”

Psychiatry expanded their vast control by broadening the definition of mental illness to include political disobedience. Thus, psychiatry became a tool of and ally to the government, particularly the Nazi-controlled regime.
...

Nazism and Psychiatry








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posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: loam

It blows my mind that you can't comprehend how our cultural perspectives have changed since 1939. Margaret Sanger didn't live in a racist bubble, and she couldn't have spearheaded the "Negro Project", that strove to educate the black community about birth control and quell fears that birth control was a white man's plot to exterminate their population, and to get birth control to black women, without white supremacists', TPTB of the time, approval.
Margaret Sanger may or may not have been a white supremacist, but it wasn't racism that motivated her to get birth control to black women and white women, everywhere. There was no "Negro Project" plot to exterminate black people by dispensing birth control.
Margaret Sanger isn't responsible for systemic racism in the US Military, the Tuskegee Experiment, Jim Crow laws or the Klan lynchings of black activists in the 1960s.



Everyone forgets Margaret Sanger was living in a time of *racism being normal,*

and the black population were segregrated ..... yes I said that seperate schools

seperate drinking fountains, seperate or back entrances to public buildings

and so on.......


Claudette Colvin. Claudette Colvin (born September 5, 1939) is an American nurse aide and was a pioneer of the Civil Rights Movement. On March 2, 1955, she was arrested at the age of 15 in Montgomery, Alabama for refusing to give up her seat to a white woman on a crowded, segregated bus.


That was 1955 only sixty 65 years ago!! The whole country was

racist so why pick on one woman?



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia

That is known as freedom of choice and is available to women of ALL

colours and race. It is NOT forced on any woman.





If you read Rudin's paper that Sanger published he also claimed that "sterilization of the undesirables would be a voluntary practice..." We all know how "voluntary" it was for those poor souls that were murdered by these evil people/the nazis.




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posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

If you read Rudin's paper that Sanger published he also claimed that "sterilization of the undesirables would be a voluntary practice..." We all know how "voluntary" it was for those poor souls that were murdered by these evil people/the nazis.


I didn't realise this thread was about Nazi's?

I was under the impression it was about Margaret Sanger?

And the question I was addressing was......


**Again, more black babies are aborted than are allowed to be born. That's her legacy.**


Abortion is a 'choice' and not forced on any woman therefor if more

black babies are aborted it is the *choice* of more black woman .



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The "mentally retarded", which accounted for people with down syndrome, neurological problems, the blind and the deaf, people with schizophrenia, PTSD, basically a whole bag of symptoms that society found too ugly to embrace, as well as regular criminals and the criminally insane, were all subject to forced sterilization, right here in the United States of America during the 20th Century.

None of that had anything to do with the Planned Parenthood's conception, and Margaret Sanger's goal to provide accessible and affordable birth control, legally, to every woman in the USA.


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posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 06:20 PM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
Damn

I had never heard of this lady but after 20 min of googlefu I cant believe the left put her on a pedestal.
She was basically about Eugenics and it appears that history has spun her story so that she was all about womens rights.
...
History has been very kind to her it would seem


Way too kind, which imo it is very weird since we have pretty much all of her writings. Anyone, from all sides of this debate, whom is honest enough would admit how wreched and evil she was.

In one of her books, "The Pivot of Civilization" on page 19 she wrote the following about her belief of what charity is, and I quote:


...
Statistics now available also inform us that more than a million dollars are spent annually to support the public and private institutions in the state of New York for the segregation of the feeble−minded and the epileptic. A million and ahalf is spent for the up−keep of state prisons, those homes of the «defective delinquent.» Insanity, which, we should remember, is to a great extent hereditary, annually drains from the state treasury no less than $11,985,695.55, and from private sources and endowments another twenty millions. When we learn further that the total number of inmates in public and private institutions in the State of New York−− in alms−houses, reformatories, schools for the blind, deaf and mute, in insane asylums, in homes for the feeble−minded and epileptic−− amounts practically to less than sixty−five thousand, an insignificant number compared to the total population, our eyes should be opened to the terrific cost to the community of this dead weight of human waste.
...

Link

This book is still widely available in sites such as Amazon.
The Pivot of Civilization

As you can see she called and saw anyone with any form of illness or health problem including the deaf, mute, and/or blind, or women with epilepsy among other people she called/deemed "deficients" as "dead weight of human waste."

How many millions of "women alone" are born mute, or later become blind, or deaf? Was Sanger EVER a champion for these women? She certainly was and to this day is not their champion, but their most hardened and evil opponent. An opponent that wanted people, including women, with disabilities to be sterilized or even exterminated if they were not from the right race and had not the same political perspective as she had.

So you see, Sanger was really an evil woman whom used deceptive tactics to make millions of women belief that "the segregation, foreceful sterilization, and even killing/murder of the unborn and even newborns and adults with deficiencies" was moral and right.






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posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
I know little to nothing about Sanger other than her name. So when I came across this thread offering to ''prove, once and for all that she was a racist'' I just had to look into her a little bit so that I could join in all the fun people here are having that indeed she was. So I like other here went to find other information about her.

So I searched with the words ''was Margret Sanger racist .

Here is the very first thing I opened and read.

Margaret Sanger, as a young public health nurse, witnessed the sickness, disease and poverty caused by unwanted pregnancies. She spent the rest of her life trying to alleviate these conditions by bringing birth control to America. During the early 20th century, the idea of making contraceptives generally available was revolutionary. Contraceptive usage was considered a distinguishing feature of the 'haves.' In recent years, some revisionist biographers have portrayed Sanger as a eugenicist and a racist. This view has been widely publicized by critics of reproductive rights who have attempted to discredit Sanger's work by discrediting her personally. The basic concept of the eugenics movement in the 1920s and 1930s was that a better breed of humans would be created if the 'fit' had more children and the 'unfit' had fewer. This concept influenced a broad spectrum of thought, but there was little consensus on the definitions of fit and unfit. In theory, the movement was not racist--its message intended to cross race barriers for the overall advancement of mankind. Most eugenicists agreed that birth control would be a detriment to the human race and were opposed to it. Charges that Sanger's motives for promoting birth control were eugenic are not supported. In part of her most important work, "Pivot of Civilization," Sanger's dissent from eugenics was made clear. By examining extracts from her books, the author refutes the notion that Sanger was a eugenicist. Another unsupported argument raised by the anti-Sanger group was that Sanger, in her position as editor of "Birth Contol Review," published eugenicists' views. It would be more accurate to say that the review covered a wide range of opinions and research; the eugenicists views were included because they conferred respectability. David Kennedy, author of "Birth Control in America," does Sanger a grave injustice by falsely attributing to her the quotation: 'More children from the fit, less from the unfit--that is the chief issue of birth control.' This quotation should be attributed to the editors of "American Medicine." The only area Sanger is in agreement with the eugenicists is in her belief that severely retarded people should not bear children. Several authors, including Linda Gordon, argued that Sanger's interest in providing contraceptives to black Americans was motivated by racism. This notion is entirely misconstrued by distortions of language quoted by Sanger. Rather than wanting to exterminate the Negro population, Sanger wanted to cope with the fear of some blacks that birth control was the white man's way of reducing the black population.

PMID: 3884362

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The final sentence in this article addresses the ''extermination'' question raised by the quote from the letter.

'' Rather than wanting to exterminate the Negro population, Sanger wanted to cope with the fear of some blacks that birth control was the white man's way of reducing the black population.''

Given the real life knowledge that white slave owners had fought against freedom for the black race, held their parents and grand parents as slaves and the continuing racism towards southern blacks of that day it is not a surprise to consider that contraception could be seen as an attempt by the white people to exterminate them.

I find this to be a reasonable understanding countering the proof '' once and for all that she was a white supremacist. ''





Great post..... only reason for your having so few stars is that its not the *in thing*

to give a fair all round assessment of someone who is being judged today by the

standards of another era.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: projectvxn

Margaret Sanger did not advocate for, nor did she support abortion. She advocated for birth control as a deterrent for abortion.

www.redstate.com...

So, too, with woman’s struggle for emancipation. Women in all lands and all ages have instinctively desired family limitation. Usually this desire has been laid to economic pressure. Frequently the pressure has existed, but the driving force behind woman’s aspiration toward freedom has lain deeper. It has asserted itself among the rich and among the poor, among the intelligent and the unintelligent. It has been manifested in such horrors as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion.



While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.



Human society must protect its children–yes, but prenatal care is most essential! The child-to-be, as yet not called into being, has rights no less imperative.



To each group we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not begun.


So are we a better society or not? Its hard to tell with you.

Quite a few women end up regretting their abortions. Reasons aside, I don't see how coming away from the experience with regret in the end makes us better..



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: loam

It blows my mind that you can't comprehend how our cultural perspectives have changed since 1939. Margaret Sanger didn't live in a racist bubble, and she couldn't have spearheaded the "Negro Project", that strove to educate the black community about birth control and quell fears that birth control was a white man's plot to exterminate their population, and to get birth control to black women, without white supremacists', TPTB of the time, approval.
Margaret Sanger may or may not have been a white supremacist, but it wasn't racism that motivated her to get birth control to black women and white women, everywhere. There was no "Negro Project" plot to exterminate black people by dispensing birth control.
Margaret Sanger isn't responsible for systemic racism in the US Military, the Tuskegee Experiment, Jim Crow laws or the Klan lynchings of black activists in the 1960s.



Everyone forgets Margaret Sanger was living in a time of *racism being normal,*

and the black population were segregrated ..... yes I said that seperate schools

seperate drinking fountains, seperate or back entrances to public buildings

and so on.......


Claudette Colvin. Claudette Colvin (born September 5, 1939) is an American nurse aide and was a pioneer of the Civil Rights Movement. On March 2, 1955, she was arrested at the age of 15 in Montgomery, Alabama for refusing to give up her seat to a white woman on a crowded, segregated bus.


That was 1955 only sixty 65 years ago!! The whole country was

racist so why pick on one woman?



By that logic, either Robert E. Lee statues should remain standing, or all Planned Parenthoods should be torn down.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The "mentally retarded", which accounted for people with down syndrome, neurological problems, the blind and the deaf, people with schizophrenia, PTSD, basically a whole bag of symptoms that society found too ugly to embrace, as well as regular criminals and the criminally insane, were all subject to forced sterilization, right here in the United States of America during the 20th Century.

None of that had anything to do with the Planned Parenthood's conception, and Margaret Sanger's goal to provide accessible and affordable birth control, legally, to every woman in the USA.



Actually you are wrong, Margaret Sanger played an important role in the forceful sterilizations that many Americans, mostly minorities, were subjected to.

In her article "Sterilization: A Modern Medical Program for Human Health and Welfare," 5 Jun 1951, she had this to say. (For the sake of full disclosure I will include the foreword in the article, before any pro-Sanger people try to use it against the topic of this thread)


Margaret Sanger, "Sterilization: A Modern Medical Program for Human Health and Welfare," 5 Jun 1951.

Typed Draft Article. Source: Records of PPFA, Sophia Smith Collection , Margaret Sanger Microfilm S72:0637 .

This may have been drafted for Sanger by a PPFA Staff Member. For a draft version see MSM S72:0636. No published version found. Handwritten corrections made by an unknown author have not been included.


STERILIZATION
(A Modern Medical Program for Health and Human Welfare)
By Margaret Sanger

It happened in an American city. A blind couple were the object of much sympathy, some little charity and a great deal of relief. They had six children, all born blind, and the community commiserated as Americans always do with profound misfortune. The idea that six young lives had been born into the world doomed never to see sunlight or trees or other human beings is profoundly shocking. Everyone in town felt sorry for the couple and for their children.

But the couple did not feel sorry for themselves. They had had their six children deliberately, and planned to have more. They found that their relief checks and allowances for disability increased with each child, and only as a large family could they be comfortable. They and two or three blind children would just subsist.
...
It is time that we as communities with a sense of responsibility for our citizens, which means ourselves, should do something about a situation. The answer to much of the problem is a program of sterilization.
...

STERILIZATION
(A Modern Medical Program for Health and Human Welfare) By Margaret Sanger


Not only did she chastise this couple whom were blind, but she went as far as to claim she knew the mind of this couple, and she concluded that something had to be done to stop the reproduction of people with these disabilities, and in her view sterilization was the way to do it.

Of course, in her more private letters she also talks about "the extermination of certain people" because of their race.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
I know little to nothing about Sanger other than her name. So when I came across this thread offering to ''prove, once and for all that she was a racist'' I just had to look into her a little bit so that I could join in all the fun people here are having that indeed she was. So I like other here went to find other information about her.

So I searched with the words ''was Margret Sanger racist .

Here is the very first thing I opened and read.

Margaret Sanger, as a young public health nurse, witnessed the sickness, disease and poverty caused by unwanted pregnancies. She spent the rest of her life trying to alleviate these conditions by bringing birth control to America. During the early 20th century, the idea of making contraceptives generally available was revolutionary. Contraceptive usage was considered a distinguishing feature of the 'haves.' In recent years, some revisionist biographers have portrayed Sanger as a eugenicist and a racist. This view has been widely publicized by critics of reproductive rights who have attempted to discredit Sanger's work by discrediting her personally. The basic concept of the eugenics movement in the 1920s and 1930s was that a better breed of humans would be created if the 'fit' had more children and the 'unfit' had fewer. This concept influenced a broad spectrum of thought, but there was little consensus on the definitions of fit and unfit. In theory, the movement was not racist--its message intended to cross race barriers for the overall advancement of mankind. Most eugenicists agreed that birth control would be a detriment to the human race and were opposed to it. Charges that Sanger's motives for promoting birth control were eugenic are not supported. In part of her most important work, "Pivot of Civilization," Sanger's dissent from eugenics was made clear. By examining extracts from her books, the author refutes the notion that Sanger was a eugenicist. Another unsupported argument raised by the anti-Sanger group was that Sanger, in her position as editor of "Birth Contol Review," published eugenicists' views. It would be more accurate to say that the review covered a wide range of opinions and research; the eugenicists views were included because they conferred respectability. David Kennedy, author of "Birth Control in America," does Sanger a grave injustice by falsely attributing to her the quotation: 'More children from the fit, less from the unfit--that is the chief issue of birth control.' This quotation should be attributed to the editors of "American Medicine." The only area Sanger is in agreement with the eugenicists is in her belief that severely retarded people should not bear children. Several authors, including Linda Gordon, argued that Sanger's interest in providing contraceptives to black Americans was motivated by racism. This notion is entirely misconstrued by distortions of language quoted by Sanger. Rather than wanting to exterminate the Negro population, Sanger wanted to cope with the fear of some blacks that birth control was the white man's way of reducing the black population.

PMID: 3884362

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The final sentence in this article addresses the ''extermination'' question raised by the quote from the letter.

'' Rather than wanting to exterminate the Negro population, Sanger wanted to cope with the fear of some blacks that birth control was the white man's way of reducing the black population.''

Given the real life knowledge that white slave owners had fought against freedom for the black race, held their parents and grand parents as slaves and the continuing racism towards southern blacks of that day it is not a surprise to consider that contraception could be seen as an attempt by the white people to exterminate them.

I find this to be a reasonable understanding countering the proof '' once and for all that she was a white supremacist. ''





Great post..... only reason for your having so few stars is that its not the *in thing*

to give a fair all round assessment of someone who is being judged today by the

standards of another era.








This post is a testament to the irony of life in the left wing.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 06:52 PM
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Amazing to see so much support for Sanger - a woman who's life's work was to suppress and exterminate African Americans.
Once again, that which the leftists claim their 'enemies' are is exactly what they are themselves.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

By that logic, either Robert E. Lee statues should remain standing, or all Planned Parenthoods should be torn down.



Personally I dont believe in 'white washing' history.

It's what got us to where we are,

Its all very well taking the kudos for our success's but we actually learn

more from our mistakes ......



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 07:11 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia

Personally I dont believe in 'white washing' history.

It's what got us to where we are,

Its all very well taking the kudos for our success's but we actually learn

more from our mistakes ......



You don't seem to be learning from your mistakes it seems. Even when proof is shown to you, from her own hand, that her views were simply evil and she wanted the sterilization of people with disabilities, or genetic disorders, or when you are shown that she wanted the extermination of minorities because of their race, you not only support her, but your support for her seems to increase 10 fold... I wonder why that is...




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posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

Why are responding with this, about abortion:

Quite a few women end up regretting their abortions


...to my factual statement that Margaret Sanger did not promote, nor did she support abortion.



Margaret Sanger did not advocate for, nor did she support abortion. She advocated for birth control as a deterrent for abortion.


In fact, she was virulently opposed to it.

So, what has abortion got to do with any of this?




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posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Riiight, and the part in which in that same letter she calls everyone whom is black as "the most ignorant" plus "superstitious" among other insults were also taken out of context even though that is EXACTLY what she wrote?... Please...



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

From your link

This may have been drafted for Sanger by a PPFA Staff Member.
No published version found.


In other words, this so called draft from 1951, when forced sterilizations were happening in full force, was never published, and there's no proof that it was even written by Sanger.

But, you're placing the onus of the American culture of ignorance, fear and bigotry of the 1950s on Margaret Sanger. How convenient for you!

Again, Margaret Sanger's realized goal was to provide legal birth control or all women, poor, rich, white, black and brown.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth




a woman who's life's work was to suppress and exterminate African Americans.


What a failure she must appear to be in your eyes, since she failed to suppress and exterminate any African Americans.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

As you can see she called and saw anyone with any form of illness or health problem including the deaf, mute, and/or blind, or women with epilepsy among other people she called/deemed "deficients" as "dead weight of human waste."


There was no health service or health insurance in those days people were put

into lunatic asylums!! We dont have them now.




How many millions of "women alone" are born mute, or later become blind, or deaf?




Whats your point, are males immune from the above




So you see, Sanger was really an evil woman whom used deceptive tactics to make millions of women belief that "the segregation, foreceful sterilization, and even killing/murder of the unborn and even newborns and adults with deficiencies" was moral and right.


Surely Sanger was only one part of that system others were practising it too?

You left out electric shock treatment, and lobotomies from the above.....shame

on you!!

However I doubt any of those antiquated procedures were 'forced' except on those

who were mentally unable to make a rational decission?

But as I said in another post comparing now with then is like comparing apples

with oranges.



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