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posted on Aug, 8 2019 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: Specimen88
a reply to: Deetermined

So wouldn't mean that he the father then not the son?


1 John 5:7


Also wouldn't it throw out the whole Original Sin since Adam was originally made in his image, while it says he is his first creation?


Adam wasn't born into sin. Adam sinned and then the rest of us were born into sin.

When the Bible says that Jesus was the firstborn of every creature, it just means that He was the first one with a physical form who then created everything else with a physical form. Jesus is the physical manifestation of God.




posted on Aug, 8 2019 @ 03:42 PM
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Still doesn't make sense since he would have to be at two places an very different times at once, and would literally mean that he was made once then born once at much later date.

It contradicts the whole book of genesis(which supposedly actually happened) the way John try to present The Word/Logos.

Same could be said about Satan not being born into sin, an the lack of details about his origin story. Where as one he a snake(even thought it doesn't say, it often implied for some reason), while other stories say he was high ranking angel.



posted on Aug, 8 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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Still doesn't make sense since he would have to be at two places an very different times at once, and would literally mean that he was made once then born once at much later date.


We're talking about GOD! He has the ability to be everywhere at once. The Bible says He's the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.


It contradicts the whole book of genesis(which supposedly actually happened) the way John try to present The Word/Logos.


It's not a contradiction. Jesus is the God of the Old Testament who took forms in different ways. He guided them as a cloud, he spoke to Moses from a burning bush, and he broke bread with Abraham as a man.

John 5:46-47
Luke 24:44


Same could be said about Satan not being born into sin, an the lack of details about his origin story. Where as one he a snake(even thought it doesn't say, it often implied for some reason), while other stories say he was high ranking angel.


Satan was once a "covering cherub" angel who chose to rebel against God and was cast down to earth. The Bible says a third of God's angels will choose to do the same.



posted on Aug, 8 2019 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

It contradicts the whole thing, and then some. The only thing this is make me think of is the Gnostic Aprochyan of John, where Jesus claims to be the serpent that lured Eve in order to trap the Demiurge.

Well if mainstream christian says he a serpent wouldn't that make a Seraph rather then Cherub, while the text that implies Satan to be Cherub, is actually implying it to be a certain Babylonian King who enslaved the Hebrews.
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posted on Aug, 8 2019 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: Specimen88
a reply to: Deetermined

It contradicts the whole thing, and then some.


What specifically do you find contradictive?


Well if mainstream christian says he a serpent wouldn't that make a Seraph rather then Cherub, while the text that implies Satan to be Cherub, is actually implying it to be a certain Babylonian King who enslaved the Hebrews.


Isaiah 14 says the exact same thing about Lucifer that it says about the King of Tyre (as far as description and actions). As for angels, they all have the ability to transform themselves into anything they want to at any given moment, even the fallen ones.



posted on Aug, 8 2019 @ 09:47 PM
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In the beginning, being said again, and how he should of been sleeping, he only 6000 years old.

And yes, that the one I was thinking about, where Luicfer gets trampled to death an condemned to hell, meanwhile Cyrus becomes the new fresh prince of air, or venus...he's...our venus,,, desire an fire?!?

Ishtar also follows suit too in that sense.
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posted on Aug, 8 2019 @ 09:53 PM
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In the beginning, being said again, and how he should of been sleeping, he only 6000 years old.


I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase it?



posted on Aug, 8 2019 @ 11:42 PM
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originally posted by: Deetermined
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In the beginning, being said again, and how he should of been sleeping, he only 6000 years old.


I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase it?


He is only six thousand year old since Jesus was around the 7 days of creation. And he needs a good long rest since mother nature sucked the life out him after seven days.



posted on Aug, 9 2019 @ 06:09 AM
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The Bible says that Jesus was in the beginning with God, so there's nothing to suggest how old God is. We don't even know how old the angels are and at what time they were created before us either.




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