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originally posted by: Gargoyle91
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
I guess my point being that's why we have no interaction with them .
First take the abductees information given to them from the "ET"s. Most of the information they are given is obviously false, like "they come from Mars", "they come from Venus", "they come from Zeta Reticuli". So that tells us (if the abductions are taking place) that "ET" is lying about their origin.
In the months prior to our first hypnosis session on August 11, 1992, Jerry continued to have abduction experiences, including one episode just three weeks before, in which she consciously recalled seeing a UFO close-up and being taken by humanoid beings---whose attitude she felt was loving and benevolent---into the ship. There she saw shelves with instruments and vials, was seated on a chair or table, and had a complex dialog with aliens she felt were "beyond what we would think is intelligent or even genius." One of them explained that they came from so "far into the future" that she would not be able to comprehend.
~ Abduction, page 120-121
Mary: Why has she come to visit you in this life? What's the purpose of her being with you or visiting you?
Liam: To make sure I'm okay.
Mary: So she comes to make sure you're okay?
Mary: Okay. Is there anything you would like to know about her, that you would like to ask?
Liam: Where... where abouts is she from?
Mary: Okay... and what does she say to you as you ask her that question?
Liam: It's a long way away in the future. A long way away.
Mary: So she's visiting you from the future?
Mary: Okay... so why is she visiting you from the future? What is the purpose of her visits?
Liam: To make sure I'm okay, to make sure I stay alive.
Mary: So she's acting as a protection for you?
Mary: Okay... and when she says she's from the future are we talking about a future in this particular solar system or some other dimension?
Liam: It's here.
Mary: Are we saying Earth?
Mary: So it's a future of Earth?
Mary: And she's visiting you from the future to protect you?
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I think it's about time we have a serious look at the UFO phenomena using logic and realism. Of course I'm assuming at least some UFO's are intelligently controlled for the sake of argument, but I think that's a fair assumption based on how many well educated and well respected people claim to have had an experience or sighting of some sort. The real question in my eyes is their origin, and as the years pass it's becoming increasingly clear to me that they are man-made.
I've made threads in the past explaining why our radio signals will be virtually impossible to detect at any reasonable distance, and even if they didn't decay they've still covered a very small fraction of the galaxy near to us, even at the speed of light it takes around 100 thousand years to travel across our galaxy. Plus we've been seeing these things in our sky before we started emitting any substantial amount of radio noise into space.
At this point some of you may be thinking "but what if aliens have already colonized the galaxy, they may simply stumble across our planet". Well we can quite easily show that isn't the case because we see no tell tale infrared heat signals that a highly advanced civilization would display, if the galaxy was teaming with life we would not observe such a lifeless and silent galaxy, we would see evidence of life at many different levels of development.
If we are being visited by ET's then they had to travel here from somewhere quite far away and they had to acquire specific knowledge of our location. Lets just assume for a moment they managed both those things despite logic indicating otherwise. Would such an advanced species really travel the massive distances involved, expending what I assume is a lot of energy and time, just to cruise around our atmosphere and spy on us or study us.
I've noticed that most people tend to have a very self-degrading attitude towards this issue, if the ET's don't want to speak to us openly then it must be because we are a bunch of stupid primitive apes... they arrived here a long time ago and seeded the planet with life or perhaps created humans by genetically altering another species. I once held a similar outlook but I feel it's becoming harder and harder to justify such a belief, I feel it only creates more questions than it answers.
If our governments really had knowledge of an ET presence on Earth, could all of them really keep it a secret for so long? We are clearly at a point now where humanity could handle disclosure, people actually seem to be getting a bit desperate for answers. Although it's mostly a joke, a group of people are now planning to raid Area 51 in an attempt to "see them aliens", which I feel is a manifestation of this growing desperation for answers.
Getting back to my main point, most of the evidence and logic indicates they didn't travel interstellar distances to reach us. When asked about the alien agenda, a large fraction of abductees will tell you the aliens have good intentions, they want to help us save the planet and ourselves from destruction. They often show abductees apocalyptic imagery involving Earth and warn them that this will be our future if we don't change our ways.
When you step back and look at the overall ET activities it becomes quite apparent the main agenda is some sort of social engineering program to change the way we think and behave, and I find that extremely concerning even if their intentions are good, because it's simply not their right to manipulate and mold the psyche of humanity. What's even more concerning is that everything points to this abduction activity being carried out by humans.
I mean it wouldn't really be better if ET's were responsible, but there is something deeply unsettling about the idea of humans doing it. If it is humans then the real question becomes: does any government really have propulsion technology capable of moving through space the way UFO's are seen to move? The only way they could make the maneuvers they make without the occupants dying is by warping space around the craft rather than move through space.
In other words they require a warp-drive, which would potentially allow for FTL travel. If you haven't caught on by now this thread is a continuation of my other thread titled Time Traveling Abductors. In that thread I discuss how a warp-drive bends space-time and could potentially be used for time travel, and why warp-drive technology could be feasible in the future, with entities such as NASA working on their own warp-drive design. The simple fact is, if we truly want to travel large distances we will need warp-drive technology to get anywhere near the speed of light.
I realize how absurd it may sound at first, but the longer I ponder this theory the more I fear it may be true and everyone is completely ignoring the possibility because they'd prefer to believe mystical beings from far away are here to solve all our problems and show us the way. I had to warm up readers to this idea before fully explaining it because I realize precisely how crazy it sounds. I've always believed time travel into the past is impossible.
I also prefer the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics over the many worlds interpretation because I prefer not to believe an infinite number of other time lines exist. There is no reason for me to push this theory, however I cannot ignore the fact it's the most likely explanation for UFO's when all factors are considered. They are humanoid for a reason and they can breath in our atmosphere for a reason. More importantly, they hide from us for a reason.
You also have to ask yourself exactly why they are so concerned about our planet if they aren't even from here. To assume it's simply the result of some good natured aliens is a shallow and naive interpretation of the situation. It seems they like to be portrayed as benevolent gods and often present themselves as angels to religious people. The only motive I draw from that is an attempt to obfuscate and mislead people about their nature.
Often people convey this idea that ET's would be so far ahead and so different from us that we couldn't possibly understand their motives. I don't think that is at all true, even if they were aliens from another planet they would have many of the same fundamental drives that any intelligent self-aware species would have. If they are human than this perception is even more invalid, and we have a much better understanding of how they think and operate than we may first assume.
They aren't gods and they don't have magic powers, although they may like us to believe those things because it makes us feel powerless and insignificant compared to them. It's very easy to view them as some sort of spiritual counselors for Earth, here to spread light and love... but is that an objective or realistic outlook to have considering how they take people without consent, often subjecting them to traumatic procedures, and do it all in secret. It is a dangerous belief system to have.
Without question, the All-Directional Flying Object, or ADIFO, looks exactly like a stereotypical flying saucer. However, ADIFO’s creators say the inspiration for their uniquely shaped aircraft doesn't come from UFO lore. Instead, they say the disk is designed to mimic the back cross-section of a dolphin's airfoil.
In his first interview with American media, inventor Razan Sabie said the ADIFO isn’t the work of audacious mad science. “The aerodynamics behind this aircraft is the result of more than two decades of work and is very well reasoned in hundreds of pages and confirmed by computer simulations and wind tunnel tests,” Sabie explained. Sabie’s partner is Iosif Taposu, a former senior scientist at Romania's National Institute for Aerospatiale Research, and Head of Theoretical Aerodynamics at the National Aviation Institute. On paper, the duo don’t appear to be a pair of rogue backyard engineers or hobbyists.
So far, Sabie indicates one major aircraft manufacturer, two government entities and more than 10 possible partners and venture funds have reached out to express interest in the ADIFO, though Motherboard has not been able to independently verify those claims. With the prototype being completed using personal funds, “to proceed further we need partners,” Sabie said. At the moment, what they've made is a glorified quadcopter, albeit with features that current quadcopters don't have.
originally posted by: Daalder
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
A scan of only a 100.000 or so galaxies... That's not even scratching the surface.
We can search for a lifetime before we find anything.
You're just going to be a bit more patient.
It's out there
Just think how different our lives would be if they came back and offed someone like Hitler and that would be something we would do in our current state of existence