Do you still think Trump will win?

originally posted by: IamAbeliever
The Dems know that none of their current Candidates have a hope in hell of beating Trump. I believe that by the end of the year they will roll out Michelle Obama as a hail-Mary, and "she" will be the Democratic nominee.

This has been the rumor for months now..

Makes sense..

originally posted by: Bicent

originally posted by: IamAbeliever
The Dems know that none of their current Candidates have a hope in hell of beating Trump. I believe that by the end of the year they will roll out Michelle Obama as a hail-Mary, and "she" will be the Democratic nominee.

This has been the rumor for months now..

Makes sense..

No

“Just between us, and the readers of this magazine — there’s zero chance,” the former First Lady said. “There are so many ways to improve this country and build a better world, and I keep doing plenty of them, from working with young people to helping families lead healthier lives. But sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office will never be one of them. It’s just not for me.”

Source: www.yahoo.com...

Dated August 5, 2019.

It depends on the economy that trump is calming as his own. If it tanks, so does trump.

And if trump passes gun control of any kind in hopes of attracting libs. It won't work and his hard core base will stay home disgusted in how they were played for fools to believe bonespurs lies.

Mostly the economy though....the tariffs are not working in his favor. The agriculture midwest is hurting bad.

Notice how many GOP politicians are't even going to run for reelection. They can see the handwriting on the wall. Their constituents aren't happy.

You can buy gold now and when the economy tanks it will be worth a bundle....but who's going to buy it? Bitcoin and cryptocurrency...give it a try!!!

eta....if the economy tanks, will trumps ego allow him to even run for a 2nd term with the prospect of losing? I wonder who the GOP would trot out in 2020?

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: projectvxn

Trump has a socialist trade policy so the socialist agree.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I do. It's called economics.

It depends. If this trade war with China crushes the farmers, then nope, some of those states will swing blue.

It's all about how this trade war goes.

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: projectvxn

Trump has a socialist trade policy so the socialist agree.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I do. It's called economics.

Says a person who can't form an arguement and needs memes...

Do you know what a negative yield curve is? Have you checked the bond market?


We have interest from the national debt at almost 1 trillion per year..trump adding 1 trillion per year to the national debt total while the economy is booming.....if it hiccups and needs QE which trump has been crying about already for the fed to start (because he is bad at economics) the yearly deficit could easily double to 2 trillion per year.


If the market slides even Corey Booker could beat trump...well probably that may be pushing it

originally posted by: cenpuppie
It depends. If this trade war with China crushes the farmers, then nope, some of those states will swing blue.

It's all about how this trade war goes.

Not just it's also about a recession. If that happens he is gone

originally posted by: cenpuppie
It depends. If this trade war with China crushes the farmers, then nope, some of those states will swing blue.

It's all about how this trade war goes.

The farmers were already struggling before the Trade War. This was Trumps attempt at solving several issues at once.

U.S. net farm income has been falling in the past six years, well before the effect of tariffs. Income has dropped 45 percent since a high of $123.4 billion in 2013 to about $63 billion last year, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Trumps orginal goal was to get concessions from China and have them order more, since they want to play bitch, we're have to rely off the Trade Pact between Canada and Mexico, but the Democrat House is dragging their feet, most likely because it'll be a huge Win for Trump and Farmers.

Those states won't swing Blue because the Democrats don't have solutions or vision, therefore the upcoming North Amercian Trade Deal is where it'll be at.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: cenpuppie
It depends. If this trade war with China crushes the farmers, then nope, some of those states will swing blue.

It's all about how this trade war goes.

Not just it's also about a recession. If that happens he is gone

Doubtful, the entire Globe will be shifitng this next year as a result of markets shifting beyond US and china.

People will stick it out with Trump.

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: cenpuppie
It depends. If this trade war with China crushes the farmers, then nope, some of those states will swing blue.

It's all about how this trade war goes.

Not just it's also about a recession. If that happens he is gone

Doubtful, the entire Globe will be shifitng this next year as a result of markets shifting beyond US and china.

People will stick it out with Trump.

Doubtful. Not only do supply lines take time Trump never built a coalition of allies and he is lieing to the public that china is paying for the tariffs.

People will be pissed when the lie unfolds.

People will be pissed when the lie unfolds.

like they are about the muller investigation?

lol
you keep on spouting the anti trump stuff
it only drives more to vote for him

funny to see an american cheering for the economy to collapse so that his butthurt over the last presidential election can be salved

a reply to: luthier

Great. How does all of that make our foreign trade policy "socialist". The last reason you gave me is "because economics".

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: cenpuppie
It depends. If this trade war with China crushes the farmers, then nope, some of those states will swing blue.

It's all about how this trade war goes.

Not just it's also about a recession. If that happens he is gone

Doubtful, the entire Globe will be shifitng this next year as a result of markets shifting beyond US and china.

People will stick it out with Trump.

Doubtful. Not only do supply lines take time Trump never built a coalition of allies and he is lieing to the public that china is paying for the tariffs.

People will be pissed when the lie unfolds.

That's false.

The mordern world and its markets are able to adjust quickly and effectively, that's the result of modernizing global trade.

Once the USMC gets signed, agriculture moves.

Also,

Trump has said any economic pain from tariffs or retaliatory duties imposed by other countries will be outweighed by the long-term benefits from new trade deals.

This is true.

Plus, the current Trade War isn't even impacting like you doomporn folk were pushing out.

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: cenpuppie
It depends. If this trade war with China crushes the farmers, then nope, some of those states will swing blue.

It's all about how this trade war goes.

Not just it's also about a recession. If that happens he is gone

Doubtful, the entire Globe will be shifitng this next year as a result of markets shifting beyond US and china.

People will stick it out with Trump.

Doubtful. Not only do supply lines take time Trump never built a coalition of allies and he is lieing to the public that china is paying for the tariffs.

People will be pissed when the lie unfolds.

That's false.

The mordern world and its markets are able to adjust quickly and effectively, that's the result of modernizing global trade.

Once the USMC gets signed, agriculture moves.

Also,

Trump has said any economic pain from tariffs or retaliatory duties imposed by other countries will be outweighed by the long-term benefits from new trade deals.

This is true.

Plus, the current Trade War isn't even impacting like you doomporn folk were pushing out.

It is costing more than the tariffs by far. The farm bailout alone isn't paid for.

And its not doubtful at all. Trump is now in a hard spot. Europeans have much more bargaining power than before the trade war because consumers will now feel the last round of tariffs on their beloved electronics.

I know trump supporters dont understand debt but the interest trump is adding (meaning our yearly payments) will double if the negative bond yields indicator is correct.

I mean he knows that is why he is asking the fed to print money.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: luthier

Great. How does all of that make our foreign trade policy "socialist". The last reason you gave me is "because economics".

Protectionism vs free market?

a reply to: luthier

False.

America is enjoying full employment, decent wage growth and no significant inflation. When the trade and tariff battles started, those were all factors that a large number of the trade doomsayers predicted would be a memory by now.

None of that has happened since the inception of the Trade War.

If you haven't seen higher prices at your local appliance store, car dealership, or even while shopping on Amazon since the tariff war began, you're not alone. In fact, import prices in June actually fell by 0.9%, the biggest drop in six months. The bottom line is the consumer isn't hurting overall because of tariffs.

Trump and the Fed is correct to label China as a currency manipulator as they HAVE BEEN DOING THAT, but in particular, have been devaluing their currency as a means to eat the tariff cost, that's there answer and you ignore that part.
Yes, US businesses importers have to pay as well, but it hasn't affected their bottom line and are eating the cost, sure they don't like it, but who's fault is that for gaming the system.

Remember Luthier, we've had a serious lopsided trade imbalance, regardless of how you cut it or your partisan stance, the US is getting screwed by its own who sold out to china.

Over more than a year, significant tariffs have failed to reverse corporate profits into losses, failed to produce net job contraction, and failed to produce consumer inflation. Another 10% tariff on an additional $300 billion in Chinese goods won't likely change that, and neither will more drops in the value of the yuan.

NOBODY KNOWS the result of the Trade War, but as Bannon says,

If the new tariffs were to go into effect on Sept. 1, that move would “cross a psychological barrier” in China, said Bannon, also a Goldman Sachs alum. It would be a “new day” with duties on all Chinese imports coming into the U.S., he added.

We're going all the way with China and that is going to be Trumps main theme heading into 2020, there will be pain, it is up to the American people and some have signaled that they are willing to endure pain with new trade deals.

You say conservatives don't understand fiscal policy, I say we do and I especially take Bannons views and opinions over yours.

a reply to: Arnie123

Conservatives do its Republicans that do not.

mises.org...

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Arnie123

Conservatives do its Republicans that do not.

mises.org...

I don't care for your OPINION on fiscal views, we're discussing real world change.

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Arnie123

Conservatives do its Republicans that do not.

mises.org...

I don't care for your OPINION on fiscal views, we're discussing real world change.

Not my opinion just explaining what free market economist believe.

The liberal form of economics allows the government to intervene in the market with however it feels necessary.

The conservative opinion is anyone can say that so it's better to do as little as possible...

But you can make up whatever you want to sleep better at night.

Democrats by the way and labor unions have always been for tariffs to protect the american worker. It's literally a socialist movement from before the turn of the century and has remained one until trump.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Arnie123

Conservatives do its Republicans that do not.

mises.org...

I don't care for your OPINION on fiscal views, we're discussing real world change.

Not my opinion just explaining what free market economist believe.

The liberal form of economics allows the government to intervene in the market with however it feels necessary.

The conservative opinion is anyone can say that so it's better to do as little as possible...

But you can make up whatever you want to sleep better at night.

Democrats by the way and labor unions have always been for tariffs to protect the american worker. It's literally a socialist movement from before the turn of the century and has remained one until trump.

Doubtful.

None of the things you talked about, doom and gloom settings haven't happened yet and your radical views are reactionary in nature.

Also, a three year old Austrian article does you little justice.

What you fail to understand is that we are uncoupling from China, that takes PAIN and yes, it hurts American workers

Why? Corporate American put us into this position and now we have to deal with it. American greed.

You cry because it hurts American workers, but ignore the precusor fact that it was American Greed and Chinese Shady business dealings that we have arrived at this point.

Trump is the only US President to take on china, none of the current Dem candidants are able to do that and the American people know that.

The general consensus on Chinas junk is "cheap" and with the current currency manipulors hitting the social spheres, peoples perception of china will continue to soar and overwhelmingly back Trump.

Some have pledge support JUST FOR THAT CAUSE, like ME.

My ONLY reason for voting Trump was to take on China.