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Violence and Right-Wing politics.

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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

How about we acknowledge that the political situation in the country right now can do this? Left and right? Since it seems that both sides are popping off now?

Why do we need to focus on one side or the other?

It seems such a discussion necessarily must focus on both sides being capable of such a thing which means everyone has to admit their side can be made violent by their own political extremes, left and right, yes? That means you do get what you want, but only if you admit that, yes, leftism also leads to violent extremism as well.




posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:20 AM
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I'm not sure you can equate an individuals politics with their propensity for violence tbh . The mass shooters must know theyre causing their own immediate demise , and that's not how to pursue politics . That's them pursuing a death wish .


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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

What do you think should be done for those who have a conservative ideology?

Re-education camps?

Should they be punished for voicing opinions?

What do YOU think should be done about people who don't believe the same as you?


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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin




think those on the political right need to take a step back and objectively look at the hateful propaganda they are pushing and ask if it is in some way part of the problem.



Apparently alcohol is not the only thing that kills brain cells.
Leftist ideology is just as effective.


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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

You could've named this thread "I'm bored and feel like starting a mud fight with some Trumpers" and it would've been a lot more sincere than whatever this crap is.

To be honest it was TL;DR. I only read the last paragraph and I wasn't dissapointed. No surprise that you yet again lack the accountability and self-awareness to be taken seriously.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: jhn7537

So what are your views then on a kid taking messages that come from the right about the Hispanic invasion and white genocide and then committing mass murder. What do you think those on the political right could do to discourage these kinds of acts of violence happening in the name of their ideology.


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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

No, two mass shootings happen within 24 hours (ironically in two areas led by DNC candidates) and they only talk about one because the Dayton shooter was a big Antifa guy and Warren/Sanders supporter.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: LSU2018

I actually take the time in the OP to acknowledge that it happens on the left, I even mention the Dayton shooter but this thread is about the violence that stems from the political right.

Its supposed to be a discussion about the nature of how a far right ideology can push people towards violence and how some on the right (as you seem to be exemplifying) are unwilling to acknowledge and discuss this.


Politics on both sides can trigger crazy people toward violence, but if it makes you feel heard then yes Right Wing politics can trigger crazy people to become violent.

Left Wing politics can also trigger crazy people to become violent.

And don't try to tell me both of these people weren't bat # crazy. Only crazy people air their political grievances by gunning down innocent unarmed civilians.


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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Therefore rather than dismiss these shooters as being liberal plants with mental health issues from playing too many video games, I think those on the political right need to take a step back and objectively look at the hateful propaganda they are pushing and ask if it is in some way part of the problem.


Again. Ugh.

We witnessed two shooters, from two different expressed ideologies, commit the exact same crime, within 24 hours of each other.

Obviously, no one party or ideology has a monopoly on violence and murder.

Let's take a good long look at ALL OF US and figure out why so many people have so little respect for life.... why so many people think they have the wisdom and authority to decide who deserves to live and who deserves to die... why so many people think some murderers are better or worse than others and why so many people think some victims are better or worse than others.
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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:26 AM
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Politics.
Broad access to guns.
Undiagnosed/under treated mental health.
Video games.
Rock and Roll.
Religion/Lack of religion.

This person decided to kill and acted upon it...everything else is just excuses and speculation.

Now is it really society’s fault or that society failed because someone does something horrific or is it that is just the way it is? Am I responsible? Are you?

Why must the shooter become a celebrity from the coverage? Why not put them straight to death (if they survive the situation), cremate their corpse and dump the ashes in some random outhouse in a park to be shat upon by society? Seems the best way to handle it.
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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy



What do you think should be done for those who have a conservative ideology?


Nothing, i am talking about when things are taken to the extreme of the political right.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:26 AM
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Why do Brits care about U.S. politics anyway?
Do they spend this much effort worrying about their own countries politics?


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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Sure there can be right wing extremists

And left wing, and centrists, and socialists, and conservatives, and liberals, and Green Party, and constitutionalists, etc

As long as people from those groups are not advocating violence and are appalled by those who are, why should anyone from any of these groups be connected in any way with the extremists?

Meanwhile, while you focus on ats, I have seen prominent right winger after another condemn white supremacy and the El Paso shooter

But many in the left such as many dem President candidates and media people that want to blame the right wing for that shooter (and even call all trump supporters racist) were silent in the Antifa guy attacking an ice facility, and this Dayton shooter

That seems to be a far bigger deal than a few folks on ats, and far more likely to lead to actual violence



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
Why do Brits care about U.S. politics anyway?


Why do you think that is relevant to my OP.

Yes am British, yes I like to comment on American politics, big deal.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:30 AM
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If he has pre-prepared a manifesto , it's probably because he was planning these murders . Murder was the priority in his mind and the excuses were an afterthought . Same with an antifa type - trying to give reason to do the unreasonable . And failing . Unless it is that these extremists are perhaps a planted excuse to investigate everyone's, everybody's politics on an anti-terrist remit - trigger words, the lot



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:31 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: jhn7537

So what are your views then on a kid taking messages that come from the right about the Hispanic invasion and white genocide and then committing mass murder.


Well, we are being invaded. That's undeniable. Most of us know this, but we're not interested in hurting or killing innocent people. There is no correlation between having that belief and omitting mass murder. You're just buying in to a DNC media narrative that seeks to end political opposition.


What do you think those on the political right could do to discourage these kinds of acts of violence happening in the name of their ideology.


They're extremely rare and way under represented compared to the daily mass shootings in all of our major cities, carried out by a majority African American men.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:31 AM
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or falsely claim that “they” want open boarders and to take your guns that is when I think a line has been crossed.

Perhaps you missed the first dem nominee debate?
Both of those statements were made by multiple dem candidates.
With a show of hands to go along.

Perhaps you should check your facts prior to posting.


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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Also I am curious

Why did you leave out the El Paso shooters left wing views, such as his views on the need to eliminate people to solve climate change?

Should we view people worried about climate change (usually a left wing position) as leading to mass shootings as well?



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:35 AM
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And what would you define as hateful?

If I follow the traditional messages in the Bible, for example:


“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?
Matthew 19: 4-5

For some, this is conservative Christianity and hateful because it implies that gay marriage cannot happen. Only men may marry women according to God and Christ.

Do we ban the Bible? Do we do as China does and round up and put all Christians who refuse to turn their backs on things Christ says to be "re-educated" to be more in line with the state?
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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:38 AM
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Why did you leave out the El Paso shooters left wing views, such as his views on the need to eliminate people to solve climate change?


I honestly don't see climate change as a left/right issue but rather as an issue of importance that transcends all political ideology. You can be hard right and still acknowledge climate change.



Should we view people worried about climate change (usually a left wing position) as leading to mass shootings as well?


Eco-terrorism is already a thing and I think as man made climate change becomes a bigger issue so to will the threat from eco-terrorists so yeah I think its something we need to be worried about but right now I think that the threat of terrorsim form the far right is larger.




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