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Violence and Right-Wing politics.

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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I think you know I have no love for the other 12 year olds. I keep saying it's both of them that divide us...

Ok great let's see who supports federal red flag laws after trump passes a bill so he doesn't loose the suburbs.




posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: luthier

1. You came into the thread I did and said it is irrelevant to point out the media and dem hypocrisy.

So saying Tlaib is bad is irrelevant. Why is it ok for you to say that and not me?

Are you just trying to get stars?

2. How many times do I have to say this

There can be many reasons for a mass shooting!

Show me one s where is said he wasn’t a racist?

You can’t, because I haven’t.

I said that so far all we have is the killers own words

None of us, not even you who pretends to know what the “big boys “ are doing knows the entire motivation

Yet despite that, many are cherry picking to manifesto to call millions of people responsible and racist, which could very well lead to more violence and division

That is why it’s important to call our

I don’t know what your stance is

You think this wasn’t the right wing people fault or trumps, you know the Dems and media are pushing this lie, yet you call out people who point out their lies and hypocrisy, and don’t comment at all on the op that cherry picked the manifesto to attack the right

Sure sounds like you are defending a tribe to me
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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: luthier

I've never liked the idea behind them. It's too easy for them to be abused.

They're like using the watch lists to bar people. The criteria can be too arbitrary.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

It also can not be federal. Period.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

So not saying this has to stop all of it is a problem. In fact I am politically conservative pr was until the party became a disaster that doesn't havw any values (long before trump) I call out my own....

Why because actual smaller government Republicans do not exist.

The real way to "help" is to notice they are both lieing....

They are. Your problem is you think one lie is better than the other and its worth fighting for as a tribe

All Republicans really are is owning liberals...that is it. The liberals never disappoint with material.
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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: luthier

Only post I will make on this because it’s off topic

No where in any of my posts did I say the other side doesn’t lie as well

I said the prevailing narrative controlled by our cultural institutions of power, which are all predominantly establishment left, is cherry picking to smear trump and his followers as responsible for this shooting or racist

I said I understand all sides have extremists and we shouldn’t judge any side by them

I said all sides politicize these things and I hate it

Despite all of that, my post calling out the narrative we see prevailing in the main stream is called out by you as trying to get stars

You pretend to not chose a side, but you have, as your calls to not call out the Dems and media, and only calling out people doing that like me, even in a thread where the op is cherry picking to smear political opponents shows you are not above the feat

You are petty and complain about stars, and think you are above the fray. But your not, your just like everyone you criticize, only you whine about stars, nothing more



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Except I repeatedly call out Democrats.

Which means you are continuing to lie..

Do you honestly believe the president is good at unifying? Regardless of if you think people critical of trump are wrong.

Where have you been saying maybe trump shouldn't engage in these fights it doeant help even if it's not a cause..

You haven't as far as I have read in this thread.

So once more how are you winning over liberals....????
Your logic is broken..



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: luthier

You came on a thread from someone cherry picking and blaming the right, and instead of saying one word about the op being wrong, you focused on right leaning people

I call out trump all of the time

That is irrelevant to this topic

Sure trump could be more uniting, he could also have a better haircut. What does that have to do with this op or the other?

Your goal of me winning over liberals is irrelevant.

You are so involved in tribal politics that you find me calling out the narrative against trump with the truth is not logical because it doesn’t pander to the left

I don’t care about your tribal goals

I am calling out all who politicize these shootings; that is primarily being done by the establishment left to smear trump and his millions of supporters right now

Your deflections and whining about stars are amusing but irrelevant
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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

What about the manifesto talking about climate change killing us all, is that right wing politics? What about Dayton? Or does none of that matter?



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat


but what happens when the gunman holds viewpoints that we do not considered extreme.


A crazy madman gunman that has the same political viewpoints as me doesn't pass any guilt or blame to me, even if the attack was done in the name of said common political opinion.

Most of the time these terrorists have never handed out fliers or knocked on any doors for a candidate, yet suddenly they go insane for their political view?? No way. They are warning signs almost every time before a tragedy happens. Ultimately the political angle is a crutch, something to blame, for life not being what they think they deserve for themselves. They don't know how to cope with failing to be the person they are in their mind. It comes from a mental breakdown, not a political position.

It's only a politically argument so one side or the other can push agenda.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: rickymouse

Real white supremacists have mental illness.


They focus on things different than I do, I do not actually agree with their methods but it is their right to believe they way they want to. It is not their right to hurt others though, but most White Supremists are not really violent, they just have the attitude that they are better. There are some violent groups or individuals in that group though, and I suppose some of them might be classified as mentally ill, but most are just chaotic like the far left chaotic people.



If people would loose their obsession with left right labels it's easier to discuss.

A lack of empathy is considered a mental illness indicator. A very serious one that could be benign or very destructive.

Plenty of racists exist with no political identity at all. Plenty of liberal racists as well..

The problem with trump is the same as the problem with any politician they are not unifiers. They want what they think is best and less than half the people want what they want. Any president.

Prior to Nixon it was a little better and parties still had some integrity. It's all for the win now. Draw up a warplan...do what it takes..

Watch the trump crowd applaud his red flag support. In reality the suburbs are losing interest in the 2nd amendment so he is adapting.



You are right on with what you say. The people doing these mass shootings are insighting terror on the people. It most often has nothing to do with politics, they are home grown Terrorists and our society should treat them as that. We should not be arguing if they are racist or even if they are mentally disturbed. They are insighting terror, that is the most important part. These kind of Terror spewing people will find a way to kill people so all our citizens need to come together and condemn their actions. People seem to want to blame these people's actions on people they dislike and that is wrong. We need to stop the terror generating people.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:35 PM
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I see divide and conquer strategies occurring right now in our media outlets and or social media. Most are participating in it and not even knowing it.,,


People being manipulated by the powers that be..


To prevent what? one must ask...

If everyone could agree on that answer.... We would no longer be controlled..


GOOD NIGHT!



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:37 PM
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Maybe its not "condemning" these Terrorists that we must do .... what value is there in "condemning" something? Waging a finger and a stern voice is really going to stop the next Terrorist?

Maybe what we need to do is stop being terrorized by these Terrorists. If they see they hold no power over us than they have no incentive to continue.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:37 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse


We need to stop the terror generating people.


We also need to stop generating terror people.

We need more family time. Period. Its bipartisan. The world is changing fast. Machines are picking up a lot of slack.

We personally have a mixed homesteading business life. If we both worked big money jobs like before kids we would probably barely know each other. I have a lot of empathy for the struggle and stress people busting ass 10 hours a day have. Then coming home to 5 more of family work. Takes a genius of self to manage honestly unless one parent is buffer, or a relative can help...
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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Its not just the racist scum in the USA who have recently done this. In March, an Australian who had come to New Zelaand for the express purpose to slay, killed 50 odd people, badly wounded another 50, and wounded to a lesser degree another 50.

He was a self avowed Eco-Faschist, and had links to various far right, racialist and racist groups.

Its a problem the world over.

In New Zealand we labeled him rightfully as a terrorist. The US media and politicians call their ones "mentally ill".



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 01:15 AM
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Isn't it funny when a mass shooting occurs, that doesnt fit the leftists narrative it gets memory holed. The media will report on it for five minutes, and say the shooters motives were unclear. I may 12 people were killed in Virgina Beach. The shooter wasn't a white supremacist, nazi loving Trump supporter.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 01:17 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The media and the scum politicians are steering clear of that one,his motives were unknown!



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 06:26 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

You gotta be kiddin' me...Suggesting those on the right oppose immigration??? What, you work for CNN or MSNBC???

Open borders??? Every one of the 20+ Democrat Presidential hopefuls plus the MSM told us and you that they renounce the laws that make illegal immigrants illegal...

And you say with a straight face that the Democraps DON'T want to take our guns??? That's too funny...

Both of these shooters are/were Nazi type far left Democrat supporting Antifa goons...You got a lotta guts posting this ridiculous piece...



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: DanDanDat
If they see they hold no power over us than they have no incentive to continue.


Hmm, I wonder what that power could be? How can an absolute nobody with questionable motives become headline news?
Nah, can't be the 130 million fire-arms circulating the US.
Must be something he said



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin>>> The left is notorious for using, and sometimes fabricating, a crisis for their own political gain. This is one of those times. They just instantly jumped on Trump for being a white supremacist and began demanding gun control while almost completely ignoring the victims and the causes for the shooting. Its like they trampled over the victims. We've had three mass shootings in a week. Two were under very mysterious circumstances but fortunately we've independent citizens do some digging and reveal se information that the MSM and feds haven't told us. Which I might add is something they want to stop if the have their way and have begun calling dangerous. The El Paso's shooter's father, Bryan Crusius is a very odd individual with a dark past and that points to this being a deep state contrived event. Not unlike in Las Vegas and probably Sandyhook and Parkland. At best, at BEST, the feds turn a blind eye to terrorist attacks and like those with the Boston Bombing. Possibly from gross negligence, possibly they are complicit in allowing them for the end result they hope they'll see. The Dayton shooting may or may not be tied in. The location of Ohio a hotly contested battleground state in 2020 is interesting. But the shooter while extreme even for an ANTIFA thug seemed to not have a political motive only an anger and aggression that got triggered.



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