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The Reason Red Flag Laws And Universal Background Checks Are A Bad Idea

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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 09:41 AM
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The kind of people who are pushing for more red flag laws are the same kind of people who would feel threatened by someone just knowing they own firearms.

Every year I see my rights to bear arms stripped away just a little more, and I'm not the only one watching. More and more people are "losing" their firearms in boating accidents, hiding them away for the inevitable eventuality of an outright ban being pushed.
When they day comes, all of those lost rifles will rise up from the depths of the lakes and rivers, and will be seen in the hands of angry citizens- now considered criminals- defending their rights.

I swear I read someone say something about shotguns not being capable of high capacity carnage earlier today in this thread, but can't find it now.
All I could think was "do they still sell 20 round drums for the saiga 12?" Answer? yes.




posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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Red Flags don't work. period.

Take Pedo's for instance........ a million red flags get ignored until they get got.



Red Flags are nothing more than looking back in time and trying to make judgements with today's knowledge against past events. Doesn't work.
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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Well done OP. Sadly yeah, in a reaction to the El Paso shooting, the Pols will probably pass red flag laws, and yeah, after a couple more elections and in the midst of the next great recession, the Dems will be the Uniparty and they will decide who gets red flagged. So basically, the Red Flag laws are the camels nose under the tent.

This all follows an historical precedent. The Soviets branded political opponents as either criminals or criminally insane and shipped them off to the Gulag. The Uniparty will operate much the same way and we can guess the target demographic with ease.

Solution for you youngsters without conscience or moral compass? Join and get active in the Uniparty! That will be the next engine of jobs and prosperity!



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: darkbake

Way to completely ignore the point of the OP. bravo. The point of the OP, in case it wasn't stated enough, was that even though you may have good intentions with these laws, eventually someone running them won't. Red flag replaces due process. Background checks create a database. When good people are in charge these can be great, but when bad people are in charge they will be horrendous. It didn't take 15 years for the patriot act to be used to spy on political opponents. It didn't take 5 years for the patriot act to be used to spy on innocent americans.

And again, these are not solutions. They don't actually solve the problem.
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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted

It's sad because we have these shootings plenty often (remember the trnasgender and the flaming socialist that shot up a school in colorado a month ago? No, why don't you?) but the media uses them for political gain. They don't actually care about the shootings, if they did, they'd stop with the gun control talk:
A) Because there's zero chance of it happening
B) Because the solutions they push aren't solutions

That's why it's sad. It's sad that the media uses the death of others to change the subject and blame their political opponents.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:44 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: uncommitted

It's sad because we have these shootings plenty often (remember the trnasgender and the flaming socialist that shot up a school in colorado a month ago? No, why don't you?) but the media uses them for political gain. They don't actually care about the shootings, if they did, they'd stop with the gun control talk:
A) Because there's zero chance of it happening
B) Because the solutions they push aren't solutions

That's why it's sad. It's sad that the media uses the death of others to change the subject and blame their political opponents.


Very limp response. I'm not in America, and not American. If our news providers broadcast news on every American shooting we wouldn't see any of our own news.

Your point is off though. On ATS since Sunday, the El Paso shootings have been moaned about by some on here who complain that too much attention is being given because it's a white person, some have made ridiculous statements about how it's not so bad because there are more shootings in Mexico, and others who ignore El Paso but believe the Daytona attack was an act of domestic terrorism - and you want to blame the media? Try looking in the mirror.

You don't want gun control, you appear to think that there is nothing that can (or for all I know should) be done. Now, who is trying to use the situation for political gain?



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 10:59 AM
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some have made ridiculous statements about how it's not so bad because there are more shootings in Mexico


I'm curious why it's nbd if there are more people killed in mexico city on week night than there were in el paso? Why do some deaths matter but others don't?



and others who ignore El Paso but believe the Daytona attack was an act of domestic terrorism


And I'm seeing many more who ignore daytona but believe the el paso attack was an act of domestic terrorism. These people are partisans. I would imagine (though could certainly be wrong) the people ignoring el paso and claiming daytona is domestic terrorism are being facetious. Pointing out the absurd double standard.



You don't want gun control


Correct, because it's people control, not gun control.



you appear to think that there is nothing that can (or for all I know should) be done.


Incorrect. I'm simply pointing out the solutions being pushed by the media are not actual solutions, they are liberty killers and nothing more. Few if any lives would be saved by these laws. There are solutions though. We live in a free country where it's not safe 100% of the time, knowing that, take precautions granted to you by your liberty.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Again, limp.


I'm curious why it's nbd if there are more people killed in mexico city on week night than there were in el paso? Why do some deaths matter but others don't?


Who is saying that apart from you? When it's a fact that most of those terrible deaths in Mexico City will be gang related, it by no means lessens the horror of them, but are you comparing that with a nutcase white supremacist travelling dozens of miles with the intention of killing Hispanics? Really?


And I'm seeing many more who ignore daytona but believe the el paso attack was an act of domestic terrorism.


Says more about where you look I guess. I'm in a different continent and there is still ongoing news about both.


Correct, because it's people control, not gun control.


People with guns but little effort in whether they should have them you mean?


Incorrect. I'm simply pointing out the solutions being pushed by the media are not actual solutions, they are liberty killers and nothing more. Few if any lives would be saved by these laws. There are solutions though. We live in a free country where it's not safe 100% of the time, knowing that, take precautions granted to you by your liberty.


What a sad epitaph.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 12:09 PM
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I'm all for a national gun registry database. I'll offer my guns up for registration first.

These gun show loop hole transactions are a huge issue. These private sales are a huge issue. I can sell my guns to anyone I want, regardless of who they are. That's a huge problem.

People like to say criminals will find a way to get guns. Well, there's two ways right there. As a gun owner, I should be held to the same standard as a gun dealer when it comes to selling them. But I'm not held to ANY standard. That's a damn problem.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: usernameconspiracy

LMAO what a good little sheep you are. Why don't you go turn them in at the next buyback?



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: darkbake

The problem is you don't have to prove your case they have to prove why you are not for to own a fire arm. It is nearly impossible to prove innocence from a crime of which you are accused. Say your neighbor tells cops you tried to rape her how can you prove you didn't really you can't that's why the burden of proof is in the accuser and not the accused.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 12:32 PM
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I'm starting to think the red in "Red Flag Laws" stands for communist dictatorial powers!

I'm still in shock over Trumps speech....
I hope Trump hasn't been deceiving us the whole time....???



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: uncommitted



Who is saying that apart from you?


The media in their coverage.



Again, limp.


You use that word a lot, do you have ED?



When it's a fact that most of those terrible deaths in Mexico City will be gang related, it by no means lessens the horror of them, but are you comparing that with a nutcase white supremacist travelling dozens of miles with the intention of killing Hispanics? Really?


I'm going to ignore the fact that he killed almost exclusively white people and focus on the first part. Which is a bigger problem in america gang violence or lone wolf shooters? A few weekends in chicago or new orleans might change your mind if you think it's lone wolf attacks. Yet the media wants to "solve" one problem but not the other. I mean how often do they portray gang violence as an epidemic that needs to be stopped NOW?

Even more importantly, the media is only interested in the lone wolf attacks if it fits their preferred political narrative. Black guy shoots up a school, bury it. Tranny shoots up a school, bury it. Bernie bro shoots congressmen, cover it for as little time as possible then memory hole it. Die hard leftists kills 9 people 12 hours after sicko attacks el paso, ignore that he's a lefty and only highlight the other guy while using the lefty's kill count to your advantage. It's disgusting.



Says more about where you look I guess.


CNN:


Compare the excerpt on the two shootings.

ABC:


Trump is unhelpful to dayton. Nary a word of the shooter's political leanings and only negative things to say about trump. If you scroll further down you'll see a story about how trump needs to denounce "white supremacy" and "racism" nevermind that he has done that countless times including right after these events.

NPR:


Trump didn't take the blame! That's wrong!

NBC:


Dayton comes together, el paso is all about white nationalism and it's all trump's fault.



People with guns but little effort in whether they should have them you mean?


What are you getting at here, that doesn't look like a proper response to what you quoted.



What a sad epitaph.


LOL that's all you have to say? I'm not surprised, it's pretty tough to refute the facts of the matter.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: usernameconspiracy


Why wait for government to mandate? You can put yourself on a list right now. Take out an ad in a major newspaper, tweet it out, and call your local police and give them your name, address, picture, list of guns with serial numbers and ammo count.

You'll be on a list real fast. Might not be the list your thinking of but it will achieve exactly the same thing a National Registration will.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: imitator

I am hoping Trump's pro-gun son gets to him before he starts waffling again.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 04:52 PM
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a reply to: Identified

I hope so too....

Not just about the guns either, blaming violent video games? DOJ teaming up with social media companies? The fake outrage over white supremacy? etc.....

WTF
sounds like a far left transcript!

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. --William Shakespeare.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: imitator

Did you see Ring doorbells now has links to police departments. It's only a matter of time before your neighbor catches you unloading your Home Depot bags on one of those and Ring rings the nearest PD and they come demand to see all the videos just to make sure you aren't building a bomb or torture bunker in your basement.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite


Red flag laws are the same. No one wants a mentally ill person to have guns, but who decides what mentally ill is? Is it the american psychiatric association?




Universal background checks are the other suggestion and they suffer from the same flaw. If every time a gun changes hands the transaction is recorded you have a de-facto gun registry. We all know that registration is followed by confiscation.


I hate America's gun laws, but - its America - not my country and the people seem to be passionate about that right.
In saying that, there absolutely needs to be a background check and registry for those weapons.

If someone has a mental disability, that shouldn't exclude them from owning a gun. However, if someones mental disability involved anger, violence, rage and an notion to act on that and enjoy harming people - then absolutely. That person should not have a gun.

Same with registry, if someone purchases any kind of firearm - it should be registered, recorded and there should be a yearly re-licencing period for that weapon.

It wont stop massacres, but it will make them harder/less frequent.

Its the same as putting a locked gate around your house - if someone really wants to break in - they'll find a way.
The locked gate makes it harder and also makes them rethink hitting that house.


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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

How exactly will a registry make massacres harder/less frequent?

Your fence analogy makes zero sense.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 08:37 PM
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