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Victoria's Secret Hire Its First Transgender Model

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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Jay-morris


Why should it bother you what people do in their lives? They do not care what you do, so why care so much. Yes, I can understand if these people were a danger to your life, or your families, but they are not. Just trying to live their life, lime you and me.


I will only address this briefly in order to not further derail the thread, but your above comments (and other comments) are only half true. The legislative and regulatory agenda of the Trans Activists does in fact affect other people, especially women and children, and does put others in danger. The "gender affirming" medicalization of children is having devastating long-term -- even lifelong -- effects. People, and women especially, who dare to criticize or dissent are bullied, harassed, de-platformed, banned, fired, threatened, and physically attacked by Trans Activists. Academics and researchers whose work threatens the Trans Activist narrative are likewise bullied, harassed, de-funded, banned, fired, and otherwise silenced by Trans Activists.

Either you do not know as much as you think you know... or you are gaslighting. If it's the former, I strongly recommend you educate and inform yourself. If you're gaslighting, well... you know what you can do with that!



You are putting everything in one basket. Because people are pushing this in the ways, which I agree on some of the things, what does that have to do with normal transexuals trying to live their lives like you and me?

Because people do not agree with certain aspects, including transexuals and children, and in sport, why do they have to turn on the whole movement because of these things?

If there is a gay moment thst people do not agree with, does that mean we should hate all gay people? I could go on and on eith examples.

What it comes down to, is the fact that a lot of people just do not like the fact that there are transexuals. People had the same problems with gay people for a long time, and is still have trouble now.




posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: Drucifer

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: LordAhriman
Who. Cares?


I think this is an important topic.

Here we have what appears to be an expansion in the alleged "Trans Conspiracy" or "Trans campaign" or whatever...

What next? The next US Secretary of State is "a trans female"?


I don't buy into any of the "trans conspiracy" BS, I just know there is a group of people out there trying to make themselves fit in to the regular world without having to hide who they are.


That is EXACTLY what he is trying to do, trying to hide who he is. No amount of surgery hacking or hormones is going to hide the fact that he has a y chromosome in every cell in his body. This idea that he is a "woman trapped in a man's body" is a figment of mental illness. The same is true of the segment of society that figures this is normal. It's nuts, which he likely still has because it's a small percentage of these trannies who actually follow through with surgery. It does get them into women's restrooms, though, and into women's sports where they can pretend to "compete."




Who gives a crap! They are not hurting anyone. You can decide to live your life as a dog, I do not care as long as you are not hurting anyone.

I agree with the sports aspect of it though. A trans woman, or man, should not be competing with the same sex if they have an advantage. That's just logical.

As for mental illness, was not long ago that being gay was classed as a mental illness.

Seriously! People should be more concerned the people out there who want to hurt you, hour partner, and your children. Be it murder, rape, child abuse etc

That's what people should be concerned or worried about. Not this!


Would you be saying the same thing if, in five years, a new movement called "transracialism" stormed the planet and began to be pushed through the media?

Yeah, thought not.


What a stupid thing to say! lol



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris


You are putting everything in one basket.


No, I'm not the one doing that. Exactly the opposite. I am and have been making very clear and significant distinctions with regards to transgender issues and not lumping everyone and everything together under one umbrella. It is the Trans Activists who are putting everyone and everything under one umbrella and demanding obeisance and silencing those who point out very serious issues.


Because people are pushing this in the ways, which I agree on some of the things, what does that have to do with normal transexuals trying to live their lives like you and me? Because people do not agree with certain aspects, including transexuals and children, and in sport, why do they have to turn on the whole movement because of these things?


And those are exactly the distinctions that should and must be made, allowing everyone to live and let live where no one is getting hurt, and only addressing the problematic issues which do harm people, including and especially transgender persons themselves!

As I said in my first comment, I find it curious for a couple of reasons -- such as timing and associations -- but it's not hurting anyone, and it probably makes very good business sense for Victoria's Secrets to tap this new and growing market. And that's their choice. In the end, the wisdom of it will probably be determined by how many new customers they attract as opposed to how many they lose.


If there is a gay moment thst people do not agree with, does that mean we should hate all gay people? I could go on and on eith examples.


We should never judge the many by the few.


What it comes down to, is the fact that a lot of people just do not like the fact that there are transexuals.


Sure, no doubt there are folks who just don't like transsexuals. And there are no doubt those who don't have a problem with transsexuals but do have a problem with transgenders. And there are no doubt those who don't have a problem with the truly gender dysphoric, but have a huge problem with autogynephiles. And there are no doubt those who don't have a problem with either transgenders or transsexuals, but do have a problem with erasing women's rights, protections, safety and dignity via the Trans Activists agenda.

It is no better to condemn everyone who expresses a problem with transgenderism, than it is to condemn all transgender persons. There are very valid and significant distinctions to be made, and resolved in the best interests of everyone and their rights.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: vonclod

I love that whenever the subject of gay men or trans women "comes up" the biggest anti's always describe them as "shoving" something something "down" our / my "throats."

It's like the best jokes really do write themselves.

As far the OP, she's pretty hot. No question. I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers. Of course, I'm not particularly interested in one night stands or "hooking up" with randos, so I'd know all about any potential plumbing issues before we ever got that far.

Who am I kidding? She wouldn't be interested in sex with a middle age guy with a tiny bank account regardless, so I'm "safe" I guess.

Also, the whole "half my age plus seven" thing is a "hard" standard, even if I was single. She'd have to be 32+ or I wouldn't be remotely interested anyway.
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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 07:17 PM
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I love that whenever the subject of gay men or trans women "comes up" the biggest anti's always describe them as "shoving" something something "down" our / my "throats."

Interesting choice of words no doubt!





Who am I kidding? She wouldn't be interested in sex with a middle age guy with a tiny bank account regardless, so I'm "safe" I guess.


You and me both brother



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: 0zzymand0s




I love that whenever the subject of gay men or trans women "comes up" the biggest anti's always describe them as "shoving" something something "down" our / my "throats."

Interesting choice of words no doubt!





Who am I kidding? She wouldn't be interested in sex with a middle age guy with a tiny bank account regardless, so I'm "safe" I guess.


You and me both brother


You both are skirting around the subject, that being, Transphobia...phobia...trans...phobia.............trans



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 04:31 AM
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a reply to: 0zzymand0s


I love that whenever the subject of gay men or trans women "comes up" the biggest anti's always describe them as "shoving" something something "down" our / my "throats." 



I think it's the other way round. They are the ones obsessed with it. Why? Who's knows.

I live in Brighton (uk) which has a huge gay and trans community. To be honest, I never really see it, unless I am looking for it, or obsessed with it, which I am not.

Like I said before. People can do what the hell they want, as long as they are not hurting people.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Aren't we forgetting the spirit of capitalism? Victoria's secret is a private company and it's foremost goal is to make a profit. The can do whatever they like as long as it is within the law. If enough people don't like the fact they are using a transgender model, then they won't buy their products. If enough people like the idea then their sales will increase. Personally I think this is a wise business decision as most women will probably not stop buying their products because of this, and they have just tapped into the whole transgender market by identifying themselves as a transgender friendly company.

BTW I am gay. I also pay may taxes, taught high school for 30+ years, drive a lifted Jeep which I did myself, train dogs in search and rescue, am an organist at my church and no I'm not coming to 'get you' in some sort of drummed up LGBTQRSTYZ conspiracy. I just live my life as most other people do.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 11:26 AM
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I heard this idea that this explosion in trans / gender fluid acceptance is because we are moving into 5d and our energetic expression will take over our 3-D body expressions.

Hence why the "how i feel inside and see myself" is how i should be seen by others. Operating more with feeling and intuition than our physical form.

The idea is that we will move into 5-D sooner or later, but everything is a seamless transition.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: JimD350

You may have wanted to leave that organist at the church bit out, just sayin'



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

She's beautiful.

If she sells more underwear who really cares?
Its not like you're going to bed any of them. lol


You mean "he"

Your use of the incorrect pronoun means you have implicitly accepted something unscientific.

I am a scientist. I take issues with things like this.

Like transracialism. I take issue with that too.


If "he" wants to bs called a "she", why does it matter? Unscientific? Bahhh. Nonsense. Science has nothing to do with one's preference of pronouns. This isn't a biology class ..

Do you start every non-scientific conversation with "i am a scientist, and this ain't science!"



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: blueman12

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

She's beautiful.

If she sells more underwear who really cares?
Its not like you're going to bed any of them. lol


You mean "he"

Your use of the incorrect pronoun means you have implicitly accepted something unscientific.

I am a scientist. I take issues with things like this.

Like transracialism. I take issue with that too.


If "he" wants to bs called a "she", why does it matter? Unscientific? Bahhh. Nonsense. Science has nothing to do with one's preference of pronouns. This isn't a biology class ..

Do you start every non-scientific conversation with "i am a scientist, and this ain't science!"


Well, it seems to me that folks didn't actually pay attention at school, otherwise they wouldn't Sony take this "transgender" business at face value. They'd ask questions, be a bit more...critical.

Hence why I am calling most folks scientifically illiterate.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: AnakinWayneII

What do you mean? People know she wasn't born a female and Is biologically a male. Yet she expresses herself as a woman.

Not sure what more there is to it, or what science has to do with that..

Now if you're talking why transgenders are the way they are , then that is probably a different conversation. One which leads into why any person is not straight.

That's a different topic though. It is a different topic because this is about trans being accepted by society. Not a mental and physical exploration into why brains choose to identify with the opposing sex.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

As usual, it seems the far right or left are the ones blowing things out of proportion and making a big deal.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: Drucifer

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Drucifer
And the more you guys pile on them like this, the more it'll be thrown in your faces. These jokes and mentalities are 100% why they feel the need to "make a big deal about it".


I don't ask if someone is transgender, they tell me within 5 minutes of meeting them. Not sure why..


I call bullsh*t. Several of my friends are transgender, I live in South Florida where there are many trans folk, never ONCE have I had one tell me they were trans. There was one time, 15 years ago when I was a server at a Chili's that a drunk trans woman jokingly said to me "I might have tits but I still drink whiskey like a man" and that was the closest I've ever heard to someone telling me they were trans.

Now vegans on the other hand.....that's a whole other story and one I cannot escape.


Your anecdote against mine. Cool.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: new_here

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: LordAhriman
Who. Cares?


Probably a lot of women?

Meh, I'm tired of women being sexualized in every media possible. Let the dudes take it for a while. He's pretty.

They do need to stay out of women's sports and changing rooms, tho.


Take that up with the non-conservatives.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: IAMTAT
He's lovely.



Does DB know you're passing his beauty pageant picture around?


originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: LordAhriman
Who. Cares?


Probably a lot of women?


Explain to me why I'm supposed to care? He makes a VERY pretty she, and more power to him for it. There's some damn hideous real women out there as it is. If nothing else, a smokin' hot trans VS model might give me a bit of inspiration to keep on maintaining my caterpillar brows pruned back to Cara Delevingne level acceptable more regularly.


Why does it have to be about you? If other women are bothered by it, who are you to tell them otherwise? How does that make you different from "the patriarchy" you oppose?



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: canuckster

Never and why would you suggest that? It took me a long while to learn organ and to be able to play Bach Fugues on that might organ



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: canuckster
WHY?



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: FenderTwin


BECAUSE OF HATE? Please explain.



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