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Location. La Basse Gorce, France
Date: November 1954
Time: near midnight
A woman sees a flattened lenticular shaped object that had landed on a field on a tripod-like landing gear. The craft carried shiny juxtaposed bands of yellow, red and orange colors. Two short beings were occupied in gathering items from the ground around the object. After a few minutes the beings penetrate under the UFO, which takes off gently while trembling without any noise, it disappears quickly into the distance. HC addendum Source: Michel Figuet Type: B
Location. El Dean, Argentina
Date: January 25 1979
10-year old Marta Isabel Santillan, was playing in an isolated field with a 3-year old playmate, when "a square shaped" object descended from the sky. It landed on some type of supports. A door opened and two small figures came out, followed by five more figures, all less than 1 meter in height. One of the beings that appeared to be the leader motioned for the little girl to approach, but she refused. The little beings wore black coveralls, with bracelets, covered with tiny shiny spheres, black boots, and covered their heads with a cap that had a shiny sphere on top. The leader of the group pointed a flashlight device at the little girl that emitted a red light that temporarily blinded her. She became disoriented, and her next memory was of seeing the little men enter the craft. Two large metallic protrusions, resembling arms, came out of the object. The object then shot away at incredible speed. Apparently other children in the area saw the craft.
The story begins with a celebration on Olympus. Understandably, the goddess of discord, Eris, was not invited to the festivities. Bitter about her exclusion, Eris devised a party-crashing gift to spite the Olympians. She inscribed “for the fairest” on a golden apple and tossed it in the midst of the beautiful Olympian goddesses Aphrodite, Athena, and Hera. Of course each goddess felt that she was the fairest and rightfully deserved the apple. The dispute between the three goddesses became so violent that it was brought before Zeus for judgment. Zeus, knowing better than to get in the middle of an argument among women, particularly an argument about who was the most beautiful, told the goddesses that they should allow the dispute to be settled by a mortal man: Paris, the Prince of Troy.
The exact term that is used by Delonge's government contacts is "The Others." It's not "the phenomenon," it's not "aliens.
" The way it was explained to him is that "they are gods, with a little g." "The entire UFO phenomenon is about multiple gods that fight amongst themselves and by design factionalize mankind into different religions to step back and let us fight each other because it has other things it wants to accomplish and we don't notice them because we're too involved in fighting each other. Our government knows that.
It knows that The Others are instigating wars among mankind." He goes on to say that if you look at the stories of gods coming down to Earth and performing various feats, "it's all true." "The government is very aware that this intelligence is pinning different countries against each other based on religion on purpose, and it's a scary scenario. It's a multiple front war that we're fighting, because we have to worry about each other, and we also have to think of The Others."
The epic goes on to describe the following events:
· The gods decide to mix up themselves with clay and make man.
· As the version of men they made increased in number, the noise they made angered the gods.
· They decide to kill them off with a flood.
· One man is instructed to build a boat.
· He put animals on it.
· It rains for seven days and seven nights.
· The man and his family are saved.
It might seem that God’s response at the tower of Babel incident was overly severe. But consider the context. The point is not that Yahweh was a glorified building inspector. Gods were perceived to live on mountains. The tower of Babel is regarded by all scholars as one of Mesopotamia’s famous man-made sacred mountains—a ziggurat. Ziggurats were divine abodes, places where Mesopotamians believed heaven and earth intersected. The nature of this structure makes evident the purpose in building it—to bring the divine down to earth.
originally posted by: Oleandra88
It is the same like the one they say is brand new. Because of this, I do not trust the TTSA. They lied with this little detail. Where else did they also?
originally posted by: Oleandra88
a reply to: schuyler
But the video is 2007 minimum. If they distort this detail, I simple ask myself this: What information do they distort also?
Yes, there can be a chance they were not knowing that it was released. But they say it is from 2015? Why that?
originally posted by: SacredLore
Important and timely thread! Thanks for establishing a baseline so we don't have to waste too much energy on what was said before.
Currently I see three explanations.
The USA is in possession of some (really) advanced technology (possibly based on Tesla). They let the Tic Tacs loose themselves because they need more funding. Other nations are lead astray with misleading technological information from people like Bob Lazar (who actually believe what they say) and those recent Navy patents. This would be right up the alley of how CIA and Co. have operated in the past. Elizondo and DeLonge would be useful tools.
(From Sekret Machines books and interviews.) Earth is used as the playground for a proxy war between two ET (or interdimensional) species with very different philosophies. They act like gods and use humans to manifest their ideas and fight wars for them. Similar to the old computer game "Populous".
One side is an insectoid race that operates as a hive-mind. They are behind Nazi-style fascism and communism, which are their efforts to convince us of the advantages of a hive-mind.
The other side is what would commonly be described as angelic beings. They defend values like individual freedom and were instrumental in founding the USA.
The Russians get help from the insectoids, the USA from the "angels".
The problem is that BOTH ET races do not respect the self-determinism of the human race. Even the "angels" would probably sacrifice all of us without hesitation if it were "for the greater good of the unvierse".
Enough progress has been made in secret projects that we as humans can now back up our claims for self-determinism with weapons. There may well be a hidden cooperation between the US, Russia and possibly China for this common goal. TTSA is an honest and carefully coordinated effort to gradually let the population in on some parts of the story. An important point being that more resources will be needed if humanity wants to break free from the whims of the "gods".
3) The Woo-Woos
The most credible representative of this camp is Grant Cameron, the most visible one Dr. Steven Greer. Essentially their belief is that spirituality is more important than mechanical devices and that the ET/interdimensional/whatever beings are trying to help humanity to take the next step in the evolution of consciousness. This group is critical of TTSA. Greer openly accuses TTSA of being an instrument for preparing the "fake alien invasion" as foretold by Wernher von Braun.
My (current) conclusion
I am full-blown woo-woo myself, so what Cameron and Greer say resonates with me (even a part of what Wilcock has put forth). BUT I am aware that the human mind is poorly understood and capable of producing many phenomena. Not all voices in your head are benevolent beings giving good advice :-) Therefore I am suspicious of the accounts of so-called "ET contact". I think some of the people that Cameron has interviewed recently are just delusional. The application of rigorous scientific methods is even more important when dealing with humans than when dealing with nuts and bolts. Too obvious is the danger of being mislead by irrational minds.
I have no doubt that there is a spiritual world and that it influences us in dreams and inspiration. It is our ancestors (us ...) and has been the subject of the belief of native peoples for ages. BUT the souls of the afterlife do not fly around in Tic Tacs or hover their flying discs over nuclear missile installations (they might manifest as orbs, though). I think it is a big mistake to confuse these two subjects.
The phenomenon that TTSA is dealing with is ET in my opinion. It surely produces some paranormal effects on human minds that we do not understand. But I am sure both races have a very physical home planet somewhere and that a large part of their "supernatural" powers are assisted/enabled by technology.
I find there is something very devious/underhand in how ET operates here on earth.
Why land at Ariel school and give two children important warnings about environmental protection, but carefully making sure no adult sees or hears anything?
Why let us reach the brink of self-extinction under the Rockefeller oil/money dictatorship when the USA was supposed to represent "freedom"?
No, these ETs are not "gods", not even with a lowercase g. They are made of the same essence of life as we are and I see no reason to bow before them. They should approach us in an open and respectful manner or bugger off.
Therefore I am with TTSA and explanation 2. Still, I also take the warnings of Dr. Greer seriously and if somebody wants to start a war with ET I will be strongly opposed. While I instinctively trust Elizondo and I believe that there are good people in the US government, not all has been sweetness and light in the past.
A point that is commonly overlooked is that an ET race probably is as diverse as we humans. We have everything from outright criminals and mad warmongers to engineers, philosophers and artists. I expect the same to be true for ET. That may explain the heterogeneous observations we are making.
originally posted by: SacredLore
a reply to: one4all
I am fully aware that what I wrote is just opinion and hearsay. The common factor of everything UFO-related is "No objective proof". That's why my interest has shifted towards technological breakthroughs that would open the door to what is considered "UFO technology".
Thanks for offering to answer questions. Here we go:
1) Are you able to provide any objective proof of your personal experiences or do you know other experiencers who can?
2) Do the ideas that TTSA presents (#2 in my previous post) align in any way with your own experiences?
3) What is your take on the UFO phenomenon according to your experiences? Have you written it up somewhere?
.I was told there is a Universal Enemy of Humanity that would erase us in totality if able and we are on the cusp of inadvertently drawing them to our Solar System upon which time they will likely wipe us out completely here on Earth....or try to do so..... I have no evidence but suspect that Reptoids reached sentience on Earth before Primates did or at the very least on a parallel timeline.....and I would believe they claim Earth to be their indigenous home exactly as we do with as much passion and defensiveness....but those would be considered domestic political issues not non-terrestrial politics.....non-terrestrial non-typical Races require a different type of globally representative politics.