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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: JustJohnny
Washington Navy Yard
Someone's narrative smells like BS
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
ohhh yeah remember there was that one black guy....or that one liberal....
Truth is there is a problem among predominately white males under the age of 25 who think shooting a bunch of strangers is a solution to their problems. Furthermore recently we have seen that lots of these young men subscribe to what is regarded as a far-right ideology.
Part of the problem is that people want to ignore this, they want to pretend its all about mental illness and ignore the other factors that are contributing to it while at the same time continuing to preach about "white genocide", the "Mexican invasion"..."Stealing our second amendment rights" and so on and so on.
There are rotten apples in every group in society, in the last few decades we have seen it from the Islamic community now I think we are starting to see it more in the political far-right. It sucks but thats what's happening and just like white Islamic extremism its important that the moderates in the right speak out against what is turning into a violent ideology in some sects.
originally posted by: JustJohnny
B) I don’t know if there ever has been a black mass shooter or serial killer..
originally posted by: gallop
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Stop calling them ALL racists, nazis, fascists and other crap then, when you only do it to win an argument and there is no other reason to.
Balls in your court, mister Coin.
PLEASE stop calling these people crazy. They are criminal, but not crazy. As a retired detective, I can say we get weary of normal, non violent people trying to pigeon hole violent acts into what amounts to a coping mechanism. People don't want to admit that other people do bad things all the time.
For example, calling a bad FBI agent like Strzok "rogue" indicates he is a one off event. Yet, we've seen hundreds and hundreds of examples of similar "rogue agents" doctoring evidence, lying, abusing their power. We say "rogue" because it manages our vision of how things should be, not how they are. Imagine if we all just realized one day our FBI was corrupt from top to bottom and has been for along time. Then what?
Here, we have a young person committed to an act he THINKS will raise an issue that needs to be addressed. I read the manifesto. If you pulled it away from him and the attack, you would think it was some kind of article written by the eggheads at the Brookings institute!
If, IF, he wrote it by himself, the bad guy isn't stupid or crazy. In fact, he took a great deal of time to outline his positions. He even took the time to point out second generation of immigrants don't want to do the work their fathers and mothers did. Instead, they want to be educated and get skilled jobs. That's true. In fact, I read that from an old NY times or Post article. In fact, by the third generation the laziness and entitlement of the kids match the laziness and entitlement of every other kid in America.
If you read his entire list of complaints, you come away with a person who mired in hopelessness. He sees no future for his generation, not just due to Washington's inability to address immigration, but from automation and other issues that the Left keeps bringing up.
You want to know how to stop these things from happening? Stop bombarding kids, young minds, with twenty four hours a day doom and destruction mantras. From the time they hit kindergarten they are told the world is going to end. Six year olds are suffering panic attacks.
And it is all done by corrupt, power hungry politicians and advocates. Heck, the last Dem debate had one guy claim the world is doomed in twelve years, then he was upped by the next guy who claimed ten years, then Yang screams we all need to run to high ground NOW!
Imagine the hopelessness that creates in young people.
I've learned a few things over my life and from studying history. One is that if a person or a group of people think their voices have been silenced by the power to be, they will find another way to be heard. History is full of those examples. Including Gavrilo Princip, the nineteen year old anarchist and Yugoslav nationalist. He was the one who (you know what - because Disqus will flag the post) the archduke in 1914 that led to the start of WW1.
In Wilmington NC in 1898, another group decided to change the cities direction by attacking minority rule that was aligned with the Republicans. They were not crazy, and shockingly, they were actually successful, changing that city, and the state's, position on race relationships for fifty years!
So do not dismiss this El Paso outrage as being from a crazy person, he's not. He does sound filled with hopelessness and anger. (Neither was the antifa old hippie protestor turned armed terrorist in Washington two weeks ago. )
My fear is that he's not alone. Our liberal leaders (and us) have encouraged and allowed the Left to educate for twelve years a constant sense of hopelessness into our kids. Kids filled with natural anger that all kids feel when maturing. Many of those kids are not surrounded by family or faith or community, so they have no way to have those feeling filtered or counseled.
so what do we expect to happen when they grow up? We have had three in a week or so. No other connection between them except anger and frustration. We, as a nation, built these kids. Our political leaders built these kids in hopes to have political power. Our liberal media encourages violence as long as it is directed at their enemies.
Our leaders in Washington ACT OUT like these kids, refusing to address an easily solved problem, so they can act crazy themselves and accuse each other of crimes...all to get more power. (AOC is a perfect example)
So put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the bad guy for the El Paso nightmare. But keep a little for all of us for letting it get this way. And a good deal more for the childish men and women in DC who are responsible too.
Stop with the madness, as we can see it is infectious. Just fix the problem and prove we can be better. You'd be surprised how that will impact our kids.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: MrConspiracy
hmmm so when its a white kid who does it and quotes the Christ Church manifesto and a anti-immigration ideology as his motivation.... he's just mentally ill, its not that he has been exposed to a extreme ideology that often justifies violence.
When its a Muslim kid who does it and quotes the Qu'ran and whatever extremist scholar he's been listing too as his motivation its because he's been exposed to a extreme ideology that often justifies violence....no mental illness.
No, I don't buy that, mental illness is just a nice excuse to avoid the real issues that there are some who follow the far-right ideology who are willing to commit horrible acts of violence.