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Liberals you own part of yesterday’s tragedies .

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posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 01:35 AM
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a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

Whenever I see the bickering and blame, and I 'hate' liberals/leftists or I 'hate' conservatives/right wing, I always think of this passage from Meditations ..




Say to yourself at the start of the day, I shall meet with meddling, ungrateful, violent, treacherous, envious, and unsociable people. They are subject to all these defects because they have no knowledge of good and bad. But I, who have observed the nature of the good, and seen that it is the right; and of the bad, and seen that it is the wrong; and of the wrongdoer himself, and seen that his nature is akin to my own—not because he is of the same blood and seed, but because he shares as I do in mind and thus in a portion of the divine—I, then, can neither be harmed by these people, nor become angry with one who is akin to me, nor can I hate him, for we have come into being to work together, like feet, hands, eyelids, or the two rows of teeth in our upper and lower jaws. To work against one another is therefore contrary to nature; and to be angry with another person and turn away from him is surely to work against him. (Meditations, 2.1)


People need to take a step back and just think! but we rarely ever honestly do.

We're all in this together!




posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 01:40 AM
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originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

The real culprit in all this hate is the lying manipulative main stream media. They are the puppeteers giving the marching orders to the troops .


Yes, I can agree with that.

The MSM has extreme power and abuses it daily.

They will not stop until this Constitution is destroyed.



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

It's a nice Catch 22...

If you do anything to stop the MSM from spreading lies and anti-Constitution propaganda you are essentially destroying the Constitution yourself too, because they have a "Right" to free press, remember?

Hahahahah, we are so screwed.



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: Fallingdown
The right wings main focus is to protect what we have. Constitution, religion and implied rights. We generally don’t organize, get loud or go on the offensive.
The left wings main focus is us and the things we stand for. They organize, get loud , go on the offensive over anything and sometimes over nothing.


I don't think any of this is true. I think the OP is a little paranoid the left is out to get him.

Every liberal I know stands for the rule of law, God, and the Constitution. The idea the Republican part is the party of God, the party of the Constitution, bla, bla, bla is patently false. This kind of hyperbolic vitriol is why the country is so divided.

Maybe you would be a happier person if you made the distinction between your own personal identity and public policies the government puts in place. If public policies implemented by the government are somehow part of your own personal identity such that you would think what you stand for is under attack you have severe psychology problems. You need to disassociate your ego with what other people are saying so you will not take it as a personal attack.


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posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 03:26 AM
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Disclaimer ...... I am not in the US....


I heard this on the news yesterday morning, and some 'official' was saying that they

were looking into "if it was a *hate* crime."

My first thoughts on that was it was *murder* and that by itself IS a crime

full stop?

WHY was it necessary to find ANY other label for it?


I have noticed there seems to be an agenda here and the word *hate* is being

over used now for effect on so many things... as is the word *racist* and so no

longer holds any meaning.



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 03:30 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

As far as I'm concerned almost every act of violence against another human requires some form of hatred, and so all of these violent crimes (almost all of them) are hate crimes.

That's not how they are using the word hate though. The way they are using it is that some form of prejudice was the basis of the hate, like racism. Because somehow murdering someone for their skin color is worse than murdering them for their wallet? I don't get it but whatever.

We need to change our laws but we keep electing idiots to write them or interpret them for us.



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 03:41 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Thank you that was pretty funny . It read like a morning Joe script.

But since you want to make it personal .

I think you’re lying through your teeth and you know it. Purposefully deceptive which strengthens my claims .


Every liberal I know stands for the rule of law, God, and the Constitution.


So you were saying every liberal you know supports immigration law .

Speaks out against suing bakeries that don’t bake cakes on the grounds of religious beliefs .

And stand’s up and calls out politicians that want to attack the second amendment and the electoral college .

Law, God and constitution that was your claim .

Does every liberal you know do those things ?

Yes or No ?

( I bet you can’t give an honest answer )



The idea the Republican part is the party of God, the party of the Constitution, bla, bla, bla is patently false


I covered that nonsense in the last post . Unless you can say yes that liberals will stand up for the entire constitution not just the parts they like .


This kind of hyperbolic vitriol is why the country is so divided.


No what’s got the country divided is the kind of horsecrap you just tried to pull.


Maybe you would be a happier person if you made the distinction between your own personal identity and public policies the government puts in place.


You would be happier person if you could get up in the morning and look in the mirror without seeing a person with massive defects of character and years of work ahead on it .


If public policies implemented by the government are somehow part of your own personal identity such that you would think what you stand for is under attack you have severe psychology problems.


My personal identity is build upon decades of life experience . You must get yours from Don lemon .


You need to disassociate your ego with what other people are saying so you will not take it as a personal attack.


That was bizarre to say the least. I’m beginning to worry about your mental faculties


If you reply please try to say something honest and of substance .

Nobody wants to be psychoanalyzed when a patient is doing the diagnosis .



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 04:05 AM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

The guy was a psycho not everything is about politics ffs.



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 04:23 AM
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a reply to: muzzleflash

Yep if anybody makes a move on the main stream media they scream censorship .


I think trumps got a different plan.

He keeps baiting the media with tweets and rhetoric. And they keep melting down every time and going overboard.

People are noticing fake news for what it is . That’s the reasons CNN finished behind the learning channel in ratings last month .



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 04:40 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

Re-read the OP.

This has been going on longer than Trump. If anything, he's a symptom, not the problem. He's actually like an Archie Bunker. The man we all elected because he's not afraid to say what most of us are thinking while you lot nag the living piss out of us for simply being who and what we are.

So, yeah, you don't like us. We get it. And all that hatred you lot direct at Trump? It's the exact hatred and contempt you show for us. He's not nice about what he says, but neither is the left. Why is it incumbent upon us to be nice to the left when they aren't one bit nice when they nag?



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 04:46 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Because health care is not a right, not as they are understood under the COTUS.

Health care is a service that must be provided to you by another person. You do not have a right to someone else's labor. If you want to protect everyone's liberty, then you cannot grant others the right to the fruits of your labor like that, not even if you are a medical professional.

We once had a time when we believed in this country that we did have that right to the fruits of other people's labors, you even snidely referred to it to degrade our COTUS. Yep, that was called slavery. We fought one of the bloodiest wars in history over it.

Now, I can't help it if you like some forms of slavery and not others, but in order to ensure equal rights under the law, if you do not have the right to the fruits of another person's labor, then it does mean you don't have the right to demand a medical professional provide health care to you because that service is not a right.



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 04:48 AM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

Personally I consider it quite dangerous to construct a personal view of reality with such a broad brush.
The main issue with the picture you paint of the right is that you leave out they only want to protect the rights and all that comes with it of one group, white American men.
I wouldn't consider it quiet and peaceful if they wander through the streets carrying torches and scream "we will not be replaced".
I am far from claiming those reflect every conservative, but they are part of it and it's absolutely understandable every humanist gets cold shivers when guys like Bruce Spencer end their speeches with "Heil Trump".
Is that Trump's fault? Absolutely not.
Is that the result of the left pushing an agenda of open borders and multiculturalism? Probably yes.
But it's also worth noting that fear isn't a good advisor and the right reactions are built on nothing but very existential fears.
That's not saying there are no grounds for that, the American identity is in fact under attack from people like AOC whose loyalty is obviously not for America as what it is but as safe haven for people she shares an identity with.

You're using the nagging wife as metaphor and I feel it's like you're using it to justify domestic abuse. Communication is a female quality and brute force a male one? Are you saying you poor guys only have grunts and your fists to express your needs and feelings?
That doesn't work, there are men who have excelled in the arts of communications the only question is why none of them seems to be right wingers?

Trump is also not good at it he is the head grunter, the least rethorical elegant president ever and that's why those opposing him pretty much rightfully see him and his followers as some relicts from the stoneages.
Brute force and grunting is not an option in politics. It's all about being able to communicate your position precisely. That's the root problem and main division, why left and right can't find common ground, because they speak completely different languages.
Sure there are nuances that slip through between the grunts but they don't get heard because of the overall noise.

If you want to protect your country and make your all in all valid position of protecting the American identity understandable, you have to #ing grow a god damned pair of balls and start expressing yourself no matter how much your wife is nagging.
In a way that portrays your true intentions and goals and not just repulsive grunts like "lock her up" "build the wall" or "send them back".
That's just no #ing way to start a meaningful discussion.

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posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 04:54 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

Call people racist often enough and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I was raised that I did not have a "white" culture or "white" identity. My culture and identity were a shared "American" belonging to all citizens of this country. According to the new ethos of the American left, everything about that identity from my skin color to the idea of equal opportunity to the Founding to the idea of meritocracy to the idea of the melting pot is all white oppressive and I'm a racist even if I'm not because I'm white and cannot help it.

So ... yeah.



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 05:08 AM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

At first I was not going to post on this thread as it seems like childish rant.

Maybe part of this problem is that people like you watch and read news with a bias towards your preconceived conception on how things should be. That is dangerous for your mind and you are a prime example of this.

NO the left nor the right hold any responsibility for one persons action. Only that person does. Now the cascade event that follows that individuals actions can have blame places on the MSM. But remember they are there to make......wait for it......MONEY.

Left and right can play that game and are good at it. Went the left is in power you can see the right taking the gloves off same when the right is in power.

Propaganda I believe is the term. Don’t let that cloud your mind.

BTW do you feel better now? This is a “safe place” after all.




posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 05:11 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

That's because America is predominantly white. It's absolutely true white American culture equals American culture because it's the majority.
The strong one also always is the one who has greater responsibilities, who is expected to protect the weak. And you can't deny in regards to racism it is indeed still an issue of inherited inequality and everything that has been done so far to battle it has achieved nothing but strengthen the feeling of separation.

If you know you're not racist and you get accused of being one your answer should be exactly that *shrugg and "so... yeah" it's not worth it to fight untrue accusations.
And they won't stop or disappear as long as nobody starts pointing out that the common ground that is under attack is the shared American identity.
The right embracing racists and white supremacists even if it's just by sharing some phrases and silent acknowledgement is certainly not helping getting the point across.



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 05:12 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

Peep, if I could give you mod Applause myself, I would.
This is so far the most level-headed, objective and logical rebuttal to the blame gaming excuse s# anyone's posted on this site all year thus far.

If anyone wants to try to come up with an excuse as to why the high road ***& leading by example isn't worth their while, re-read Peeple's post. As many times as it takes to sink in.


***Edit: And if you can't lead by example, you really cant be trusted to lead anything at ALL anyway, can you?
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posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 05:16 AM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

If they were fair enough to use the same logic with different demographics, they would have to admit it. Besmirching any portion of a certain religion (which people also conflate as racism when beneficial to their arguement) creates terrorist.



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 05:17 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

But you know as well as I do that there is an ugly undercurrent to the left. They want to tear down what we were raised to completely and replace it with a new system entirely. They want equality of outcome which they believe can only be achieved through a command and control economy via a socialist/communist structure.

Right now, they are agitating for that upheaval by using the everything is racist calls.

It's not enough to say something isn't racist anymore. It's not enough to walk on.

They want a fight because revolution is how they'll get their change, or at least they think it's how they will.

And gain, honest people are getting angry. Why else do you think we have Trump? Why else do you think OP rants like he does?
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posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 05:28 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I don't see it as dangerous to be honest, all those undercurrents you speak of are simply not going to happen in that extreme ideologically charged version some people are pushing for it. That's simply put not going to work in the US because it's obvious it is detrimental to everything that has made America the number one nation of the planet in everything that matters from prosperity to individual rights.
The second they'd find a majority they will also find systematic obstacles that would basically end America and that's terrorfying to pretty much everybody.
And they won't find a majority because a socilaist is a conservative before adulthood

And society is aging



posted on Aug, 5 2019 @ 05:31 AM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

You make blanket statements in your op about how *liberals * are evil and belittle conservatives constantly and he makes blanket statements saying the left are good people. You both make blanket statements yours actually enflame and belittle and he puts liberals in a good light, yet you take it upon yourself to tell him how he's wrong because he doesn't know every liberal... Do you know every liberal belittle or demean the same way he doesn't know if all liberals are good people?


The irony is maddening.

And you really want to talk about what people say, and how people belittle people can affect them? Look at trumps Twitter... Any of these you most likely supported sound familiar? "the democrats are the enemies of the people, the media are the enemies of the people, the dems hate democracy, if you knock him out ill pay for the lawyers etc etc...


Now all of a sudden you care about how words affect people? I thought conservatives don't think "words affect people and neo nazis should be able to say anything they want"


Did your old account get banned




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