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WAR: Mother of Slain Soldier Says his Life "Wasted" in Iraq

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posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Really, soficrow, only a communist would make such a fuss about corporations profiting from Iraq.





Pardon ME ?!?

We just watched the burning, sacking, pillaging and raping of an ancient culture - and the spoils stolen from the rightful owners and divvied up by international corporations. But I'm a communist for noticing?

You're really scraping the barrel there Grady. Maybe you should take a look at some of the facts again:






...before the fires from the “shock and awe” military onslaught were even extinguished, Bremer unleashed his shock therapy, pushing through more wrenching changes in one sweltering summer than the International Monetary Fund has managed to enact over three decades in Latin America.”

...In his first major act on the job, Bremer "fired 500,000 state workers, most of them soldiers, but also doctors, nurses, teachers, publishers, and printers. Next, he flung open the country’s borders to absolutely unrestricted imports: no tariffs, no duties, no inspections, no taxes. Iraq, Bremer declared was "open for business," "

Before the war, Iraq’s non-oil-related economy consisted of 200 state-owned companies, that produced everything from cement to paper to washing machines. In June, Bremer attended an economic summit in Jordan and announced that the firms would be privatized immediately. “Getting inefficient state enterprises into private hands,” he said, “is essential for Iraq’s economic recovery,"

In September, to entice investors to buy the state-owned companies, Bremer enacted a new set of laws. For example, Order 37 lowered Iraq’s corporate tax rate from roughly 40% to a flat 15%. Order 39 allowed foreign companies to own 100% of Iraqi assets outside of the natural-resource sector.

Investors could take 100% of the profits they made in Iraq out of the country. They would not be required to reinvest and would not be taxed. Under Order 39, they could sign leases and contracts that would last for forty years. Order 40 welcomed foreign banks to Iraq under the same favorable terms


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In America, soficrow, business is how we do things and, contrary to your paranoid delusions, we are American business, whether we are workers, managers, small business owners, CEOs, stockholders, or some combination of these.




Check the SEC Grady. These aren't "American" businesses - they'rre international corporations, with offices in the USA and bank accounts in the Caymans. They don't even pay taxes in America. You need to check your assumptions.






Wake up and smell the coffee, soficrow. America is not your enemy.





Said it before, I'll say it again: I love this country. Don't wanna see it sucked dry and run into the ground.






At least, it won't be until your delusions push you beyond some legal limit.





Speaking from experience, are you?


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posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow
We just watched the burning, sacking, pillaging and raping of an ancient culture - and the spoils stolen from the rightful owners and divvied up by international corporations. But I'm a communist for noticing?


You're breaking my heart. It's called warfare and much of the pillaging you claim, never happened.





Check the SEC Grady. These aren't "American" businesses - they're international corporations, with offices in the USA and bank accounts in the Caymans. They don't even pay taxes in America. You need to check your assumptions.


Then perhaps you should make that clear, because you sound like you're claiming that it is American business that is "The Great Satan."

I think that when your love of country disintegrates into constant vilifying then you need to take a break and get a better view of the situation. As long as humans are running things, there will be abuse, theft, and scandal, but such does not define the heart and soul of this nation.


[edit on 05/3/9 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 03:22 PM
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So sofi I though we were "socialist" now you are a "communist"?

I wonder where the hate and spitefulness comes from perhaps we have some "supremacists" around in the forums? or perhaps "fundamentalists"

I thing I take a "fundamentalists" any time over a "supremacists" that rime with "fascist"


Grady for god sake get a hold of yourself.
Remeber insults are not allowed.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 03:31 PM
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Get a hold of yourself, marg. A communist is one who despises business and believes that the state should hold all property. If you talk like a communist, then you shouldn't be surprised when someone calls you a communist. I hadn't noticed your moderator status.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 03:36 PM
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No Grady I am not a moderator and I have not desire to be one but is not niece to go around calling names on others like you like to do all the time without having others notice, you do that a lot Grady and is not nice.

I find it disrespectful.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 03:48 PM
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You may find it disrespectful, but marg, I did not call anyone a communist.

These are my exact words:


Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Really, soficrow, only a communist would make such a fuss about corporations profiting from Iraq.


If the shoe fits, wear it.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
You may find it disrespectful, but marg, I did not call anyone a communist.

These are my exact words:


Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Really, soficrow, only a communist would make such a fuss about corporations profiting from Iraq.


If the shoe fits, wear it.


Grady you are the man, so as usual you are only being yourself.

Have a great day.


By the way that is exactly what you mr. bush is doing in Iraq, you should feel proud of the Carlyle group and all the family friends.

[edit on 9-3-2005 by marg6043]



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Get a hold of yourself, marg. A communist is one who despises business and believes that the state should hold all property.


is being wrong your hobby, grady, or are you just exceedingly good at it? A communist is one who believes that THE PEOPLE, not the state, should hold all property. In fact, under a communist system, the state is a superflous entity to be done away with.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 04:10 PM
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Zapata you're funny. In communist states the government owns everything and the people means the communist party, which is a very small minority. I know what communists claim, but communists are liars and thugs. They take what is not theirs and kill anyone who objects.

"Seize the means of production."

You can't fool me Zapata. I've been around.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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[edit on 9-3-2005 by dgtempe]



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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Mussolini said:


Communism is when the state runs the corporations; fascism is when the corporations run the government.


Simple, and to the point.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
OMG!

I wasnt going to butt in but i come from a Communist country. THE GOVERNMENT TAKES OVER EVERYTHING you dont have diddley.

Grady is correct.



Isn't that nice to point at Grady as being right for once in a while you just make laugh so hard I am hurting.


Where is Muaddib when you need him to add more spice to the already hot subject.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 04:43 PM
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But this thread is doing much better. I'm glad that you all can agree on the same thing, to disagree that is.


By far one of the most interesting ATS discussions I have read in awhile. You all are just so insistant, lol, I feel right at home here. May none of you ever change. Well, almost none of you, all of us need change for the better.

But that comes in time, through learning things while along the path of life These cross roads we share, it is what life is all about.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 04:44 PM
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I should have read the whole thread. Never mind.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe


So has my wonderful husband of 27 years. Only he wasnt wounded physically. You're not the only old marine out there.
There are thousands of Marines out there.
It appears your wounds are of a psychological nature. Get over it. You're shellshocked.


Well, Grady is right that you guys are turning the death of a man who joined a voluntary army into an anti-war and anti-bush thread once more....

It is sad that he died and left a family behind, but many millions of people have died in this manner fighting for freedom.

Wars are hell, and everyone caught in it's path can die, or suffer terrible physical or/and emotional pain....

If we were living in an utopia noone would have to die in any wars...but we live in the real world, and in the real world there are wars.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow
Mussolini said:


Communism is when the state runs the corporations; fascism is when the corporations run the government.


Simple, and to the point.


What exactly does this have to do with the death of a soldier?....

Nothing...simple and to the point...



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Well, Grady is right that you guys are turning the death of a man who joined a voluntary army into an anti-war and anti-bush thread once more....





As quoted in the article, the soldier's mother said:


"We've been fighting war for how many thousands of years for peace and look where we are," she said. "We have to learn how to get along."


Grady seems to have a problem with news covering this mother's "anti-war" perspective.


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[edit on 9-3-2005 by soficrow]



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
But this thread is doing much better. I'm glad that you all can agree on the same thing, to disagree that is.

...........


So, you don't want anyone who disagrees with your point of view...riiight....and i thought this was ATSNN...silly me...



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 05:27 PM
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heh Speak the name of the devil and he shall appear. :LOL:

You're quoting out of context Muadibb. The response on communism and fascism was as a result of an argument regarding comments made earlier in the thread. We are living in a fascist state, but Grady seems to think we're communists for wanting to put an end to it.

Corporate control of public policy led us into the war that took this young man's life. If fascist corporate murderers were court martialed and hung appropriately (from the neck until dead) we would fast be approaching a new era of responsible governance.

Actually I'm in favor of offering US war criminals like Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz and Rove, clemency in exchange for full confessions.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 05:32 PM
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It don't matter to me if people disagree or not. That is their perogative, I'm just trying to be a contributing member while also modding. EXCUSE me if you hold it against me. It matters not to me one way or another what some one thinks of me, unless it is my employer, but that is another thing entirely. I take critisism very well, some times too well, enough to unnerve those giving it. Meet me in person you'll understand.




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