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The truth is we need Gun Control and Predictive Policing

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posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic

No.

1. All government has to do is back-door the "smart gun" and disarm the population.

2. People are innocent until proven guilty. Bill of Rights.


Look it up.




posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: neoholographic

~sigh~

We need to find out why everyone over 6 is being prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Dig into the one feature that is common with all these mass shooters...



America has had 200+ years of gun culture. Only in the 90's did we start seeing a major issue. I think you're right.



That combined with a glorifying of war , Americans are used as the globalists hammer, the need for soldiers outweighs the consequences or should I say fall out .


I think that has very little to do with it. I think its the drugs, and a lack of being able to cope and overcome even the smallest of adversities.




Sure that plays heavily into it, no doubt, however I still believe what I stated earlier is part of the problem.


How so? If indeed 90% of these shootings are a result of drugs, depression, and other mental issues, where does glorifying war come in? Because a gun was used? That's flimsy.




It's not at all flimsy, war and violence are glorifying. Guns are glorifyed as problem solvers, all the movie solve problems with, wait for it guns. You really don't think the population idolise their movie stars ?



If you or other people can't separate reality and fiction, that is a personal problem. Might I suggest counseling?
I can't believe you're trying to make the Tipper Gore argument..



So you raise a point , seperate reality from fiction, so mental health issues , psychotropic drugs di you thinks it possible they play a role in people's ability to seperate reality from fiction.


They do. However, most of these drugs have side effects like suicidal thoughts or violent behavior, that aren't triggered by gun blazing heros.
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posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:30 PM
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How would you possibly collect all guns and make them "smart". Think the criminals are going to voluntarily hand over their's for the "smartening"?

Even law abiding owners, don't you think they'll squirrel away some? When I cleaned out my dad's place after he died, I found guns tucked away that HE didn't even know he had.

There are so many more guns than people in this country. The idea you propose is impossible and preposterous.



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:32 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: neoholographic

~sigh~

We need to find out why everyone over 6 is being prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Dig into the one feature that is common with all these mass shooters...



America has had 200+ years of gun culture. Only in the 90's did we start seeing a major issue. I think you're right.



That combined with a glorifying of war , Americans are used as the globalists hammer, the need for soldiers outweighs the consequences or should I say fall out .


So the highest percentage of gun-related murders in the USA is gang related.

How exactly does that fit in with your not-so-brilliant post?





I wouldn't expect you to understand as you are one of those hammers, gang culture is only part of the problem and is most certainly fueled by the need glorifying if violence.

Also you seem need to belittle anyone that dares think outside your very tiny little box you dwell in, it must be hard being so unhappy all the Time


Well, as far as gang culture and glorifying violence goes, you would have to be willing to discuss the greater cultures involved. Lack of fathers, and so on.

Ready for that conversation?




That all plays a role, interesting you mention lack of father's so kids look to the TV for role models and oh look the big hero that goes in guns blazing becomes that role model, sure I'm ready for the conversation.


Well if they're going to idolize the hero, then that means they aren't going to shoot up a Walmart, because the hero doesn't do that.




Goes back to seperating reality from fiction.


Except the reality is that the fictional hero is not going to attack innocent people in the gun-crazed state you describe.

At what point does this person, that can't make the separation, and idolizes a hero, make the decision to go against the fictional heroes nature and kill innocent people?



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: neoholographic

originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: neoholographic

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: neoholographic

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: neoholographic

originally posted by: mtnshredder
a reply to: neoholographic
You think profiling society is a good idea? You’re willing to give up your privacy and your freedom that easy? Are you insane? There’s to much of it going on as it is. I personally don’t want to live in your Orwellian world, thanks but no thanks.


I understand that. I'm asking you what happens when the algorithm makes a mistake. Algorithms are not infallible. Maybe you can watch Slave to the Algorithm, while I read. Hm?
Who are you giving your privacy up to?

Again, people don't understand technology. We're not in the days of J. Edgar Hoover where there's manila folders with your info on it.

We live in an age of big data.

We conduct more than half of our web searches from a mobile phone now.
More than 3.7 billion humans use the internet (that’s a growth rate of 7.5 percent over 2016).
On average, Google now processes more than 40,000 searches EVERY second (3.5 billion searches per day)!
While 77% of searches are conducted on Google, it would be remiss not to remember other search engines are also contributing to our daily data generation. Worldwide there are 5 billion searches a day.

Every minute:

Snapchat users share 527,760 photos
More than 120 professionals join LinkedIn
Users watch 4,146,600 YouTube videos
456,000 tweets are sent on Twitter
Instagram users post 46,740 photos

1.5 billion people are active on Facebook daily
Europe has more than 307 million people on Facebook
There are five new Facebook profiles created every second!
More than 300 million photos get uploaded per day
Every minute there are 510,000 comments posted and 293,000 statuses updated


Big Data

It has NOTHING to do with privacy.

You need intelligent algorithms to make correlations within the data that no human can ever make because it's too much data.

Like I said, 95% of the data will never be seen by human eyes.


And how long before someone who may be upset gets their face scanned by some AI and is flagged as a potential threat before having done something? And how do you determine that this person is indeed not a threat, and will never be a threat?


LOL, that's not how it works.

An intelligent algorithm will look at social media posts and more and make correlations in the data. It will then flag 4 to 5% of the data and most of it will never be seen by human eyes.

There's no other way to find a signal in all of the noise.


Uh-huh. So social media posts will be used to do what, exactly, to a person that has committed no crime. Are you condoning thought crime at this point? If so, how do you separate the real threat, from the noise? I only ask because I've yet to see an algorithm without flaw.


May I suggest you start off by reading books like Signal and the Noise by Nate Silver

Book

Also, Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction

Book

The way intelligent algorithms work is, they look for a signal in the noise. They make correlations in the data but they need vast amounts of data to work with. For example.

An algorithm could notice 1,000,000 posts talking about cats and there's a correlation between how potential mass shooters talk about guns.

As humans, we may never understand why this correlation exists but it does.

The intelligent Algorithm could never find the signal (mass shooters) without the noise(posts about cats).

Without vasts amounts of data, you will never find the signal in the noise.


I understand that. I'm asking you what happens when the algorithm makes a mistake. Algorithms are not infallible. Maybe you can watch Slave to the Algorithm, while I do some ready hm?


All it is doing is picking out patterns. The question is, what happens when a person (who did nothing wrong) is targeted because their posting or web traffic pattern fits some profile determined by this algorithm? Do they get get wire tapped or followed by the FBI? Do they get called in and questioned even thought they did nothing wrong. pretty scary road to go down imo.


It's not scary, It's necessary in the age of Big Data. How will you find the signal in the noise? It will just get worse.

Simply asking questions and monitoring a person might deter them from carrying out a mass shooting.


That's a lot of trust to place in the hands of government for a "might".



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:41 PM
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Controlling the purchase and or owning of a gun, has never and in my opinion will never be the answer. Most if not all gun control bills only tie the hands of the good honest people who are just trying to protect themselves. Criminals do not play by the rules, if putting ink on paper was at all successful, we wouldn't have any of the immigration problems we have today. Smart guns sound like a great idea.... In principle, and only in principle. The only people who would actually buy some ungodly expensive (I'm positive they would be) gun, are the ones following the law. Then in a situation like today, when a crazy person with an older gun comes in, the one person who has a ccp can't do a damn thing. As far as predictive policing goes, it just sounds like opening pandoras box to a slew of civil liberty violations without consequence. It's alway a knee jerk reaction to ban something or change a law or impose new regulations on this that and the other. But is that really what we want? If you think of the perpetrater today as a terrorist, then by us changing our laws and our regulations is basically a big fat W for him. Honestly I really truly believe that more, trained and legal gun owners is a better solution than systematically taking away people's ability to protect and defend themselves. And I do believe that the biggest and most important factor in most mass shootings is in fact mental health. Everybody wants to be cured, and in that endeavor most become over medicated, when in fact there are better, safer and much more effective ways of helping people who suffer. I truly think that doctors and the pharmaceutical companies are just lining their pockets whilst effectively lobotomizing our nation. Sad state of affairs.



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:44 PM
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Is this for real?

Talk about an NPC. Guy looks like a video game character.

Edit to add link: BBC Video game footage.
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posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic

1. Smart guns.

How hard is it to block radio frequencies? Or remove the lock-out?
Imagine this scenario. A drug gang decides to invest some of their money into getting a mobile device to block these signals. They modify their weapons to work, and then head to a local police station, kill all the now defenseless officers, and clean out the evidence room and the armory.

Here's another. A call comes in that a gang of 30 or so "youths" are trashing a Wal-Mart. The police respond to the call, and as soon as they walk through the door their weapons are disabled.

2. Pre-Crime policing.

Every movie that has this concept points out the same problem. Who controls the tech?
We've seen cops planting drugs on people. We've seen police labs falsifying DNA and other evidence. We've seen politicians weaponizing the IRS, the FBI, and about every other three letter agency.

Can you tell me one person, one agency, or one government you would completely trust with the power to say, "You haven't committed a crime, but we think you will, so we're going to take away some of your rights."



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: neoholographic
We seem to have extremes running Washington and it has deadly consequences.

1. We need more Gun Control. I'm a Conservative Independent and when people act like any gun control measures will be taking away their rights, it's just nonsense. We can make harder for those with mental illness to get a gun. We can have tougher background checks and add extra layers in order to buy a gun. We did the right thing in banning bum stocks

We need to have smart guns and smart gun technology that can be added to existing weapons. These guns can have sensors that detect when you're entering a shopping center and disable the gun. You can make it mandatory that all guns are equipped with smart gun technology.

2. We need Predictive Policing but the ACLU and Liberals in Congress will scream about privacy. What people don't understand is, there's no way that any human being can look at all of the data needed for an intelligent algorithm to make correlations in the data.

With the growth of big data, we're all sitting ducks if we don't allow the latest intelligent algorithms to find potential terrorists and mass shooters buried in all of the data.

The amount of data we produce every day is truly mind-boggling. There are 2.5 quintillion bytes of data created each day at our current pace, but that pace is only accelerating with the growth of the Internet of Things (IoT). Over the last two years alone 90 percent of the data in the world was generated. This is worth re-reading! While it’s almost impossible to wrap your mind around these numbers, I gathered together some of my favorite stats to help illustrate some of the ways we create these colossal amounts of data every single day.

Big Data

Again, the ACLU acts like we're in the old days of Hoover where some G-Man has a drawer full of manila folders with info on it. We're talking about more data than anyone can look at or understand. This is why we need these algorithms in the first place.

So 96 to 98% of the data will never bee seen by human eyes. Humans will just see the flagged data.

This flagged data will lead you to potential mass shooters and terrorists. These people will be talked to and monitored. I'm sure this shooter as well as many others would have been flagged by the algorithm.

If you don't do Predictive Policing then we're all doomed. Too many mass shooters and potential terrorist will be lost in the mountains of data and traditional investigations will never find the signals in the noise.

This shows that both parties seem to be paralyzed by their ideology and they can't do basic, common sense things. I hate to say it, but I don't know how the nation survives when it's this polarized. It's a powder keg that's on the verge of exploding.



You think adding computers to guns is going to make them safer?

I'd offer to sell you a bridge but I suspect you're perfectly happy living in some sort of imagination land where you're perfectly safe no matter what as long as everyone around you keeps wearing their tight pants and rejecting freedom.


Adding computers to guns is the single most ridiculous anti-gun argument I've ever heard.

It implies an absolute lack of knowledge of technology AND firearms.
You would have to be completely ignorant on how anything works to even consider such an option, and the fact that people who don't have a basic understanding of their own reality are walking around infuriates me.

Nuts to that, sir!



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: lordcomac
Yes that's what we need a BSOD when we try to shoot the armed intruder. Computers on gun would be way to expensive, way too faulty, and I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to have to charge my firearms.



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:56 PM
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I could tell you the truth of what I think about this post and the idea of "predictive policing" but it would probably get my account banned



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: neoholographic

We need more guns ; obviously if those kids were packing heat they would have stopped the perp.

It's time we arm Walmart managers and teachers.
Use the unlimited ammo cheat


We need foreigners who dont live here to kiss our collective a$$es when it comes to how we run our country

Youre up first
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posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

I don't know,I'm just speculating . If we had solid evidence why these shooting are so common place in the USA we would not be having this conversation.



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: neoholographic

~sigh~

We need to find out why everyone over 6 is being prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Dig into the one feature that is common with all these mass shooters...


Ding ding ding


Hardly any politicians on Twitter today mentioned that.

It's an almost universal trait. Mental Illness with a high dose of brain altering drugs. What could possibly go wrong?



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: neoholographic

~sigh~

We need to find out why everyone over 6 is being prescribed psychotropic drugs.
Dig into the one feature that is common with all these mass shooters...


Ding ding ding


Hardly any politicians on Twitter today mentioned that.

It's an almost universal trait. Mental Illness with a high dose of brain altering drugs. What could possibly go wrong?


It will never be on their radar, going against big pharma would be detrimental to their own wealth. Plus ending mass shootings is not in most of their best interest, with out them how could bring nonexistent racial tension and race baiting into their narrative?



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic

Turn in that "Conservative Independent" card, your ideas here are neither.



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:24 PM
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Feel free to move to China or North Korea. More gun laws will not prevent a nutjob from getting a hold of them or renting a Ryder box truck to run into a crowd of people. Can we start blaming the person and not the tool use to hurt other people.

Look at how many people a year drunk drivers kill. Wheres the left cry to ban vehicles. How many people a year do illegals kill. Where's the left outcry to secure our borders and deport anyone caught here illegally.



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:37 PM
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Yes....Yes...
Do thy bidding.....
Enslave yourself......welcome it with open arms....willingly......



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic


1. We need more Gun Control. I'm a Conservative Independent and when people act like any gun control measures will be taking away their rights, it's just nonsense. We can make harder for those with mental illness to get a gun. We can have tougher background checks and add extra layers in order to buy a gun. We did the right thing in banning bum stocks


I lean left on pretty much everything, and I agree with you on this. Making it harder for crazy people to get weapons shouldn't be viewed as infringing on the 2nd amendment. In this day and age something like that is needed. Whether people want to admit it or not.


We need to have smart guns and smart gun technology that can be added to existing weapons. These guns can have sensors that detect when you're entering a shopping center and disable the gun. You can make it mandatory that all guns are equipped with smart gun technology.


Good idea. But in practice, I think it would just shift the shootings to places without the sensors. They'll just be waiting in the parking lot now.



2. We need Predictive Policing but the ACLU and Liberals in Congress will scream about privacy. What people don't understand is, there's no way that any human being can look at all of the data needed for an intelligent algorithm to make correlations in the data.


I don't think more surveillance is the answer to anything. These ai algorithms you are taking about are probably already up and running, just classified.

I don't really have any solutions. We as a society would have to address a whole host of issues to even begin to have an effect on the mental health aspect. And taking weapons from law abiding people isn't the answer either.

But something has to be done.



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic

Let's be realistic though - there are probably like half a billion guns in the USA. The cost of converting them is astronomical, and how on Earth would we find and convert even 10% of them? There's no feasible way to pull this off logistically. Even in 100 years of effort with unlimited funding, it's just not feasible. It's too easy to hide guns.

And it's too easy to make a gun in your basement with basic machinist and metallurgy tools. Anyone with a little determination could build their own weapons outside of the system and their own ammo. Accessing the materials needed is also too easy and there's simply no way to prevent it in the long run.

Why doesn't anyone ever suggest that we all try to respect each other and teach morality to the kids anymore?? No morals is what is really the cause of all of this.




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