Multiple fatalities reported in shooting at Walmart in El Paso

gobernment saying 20 killed and 24 injured (s0 far) 😧

a reply to: face23785

I was curious so I did some quick Googling:

15 nations with the highest gun ownership

Iceland:
* Firearms per 100 people: 30.3
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: 0
* Percent of homicides by guns: 0

Germany:
* Firearms per 100 people: 30.3
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: .19
* Percent of homicides by guns: 26.3

Austria:
* Firearms per 100 people: 30.4
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: .22
* Percent of homicides by guns: 29.5

Canada:
* Firearms per 100 people: 30.8
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: .51
* Percent of homicides by guns: 32

France:
* Firearms per 100 people: 31.2
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: .35
* Percent of homicides by guns: 9.6

Norway:
* Firearms per 100 people: 31.3
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: 2
* Percent of homicides by guns: 8.1

Sweden:
* Firearms per 100 people: 31.6
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: .41
* Percent of homicides by guns: 33.9

Uruguay:
* Firearms per 100 people: 31.8
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: 2.8
* Percent of homicides by guns: 46.5

Cyprus:
* Firearms per 100 people: 36.4
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: 0.46
* Percent of homicides by guns: 26.3

Serbia:
* Firearms per 100 people: 37.8
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: 0.46
* Percent of homicides by guns: 33.1

Finland:
* Firearms per 100 people: 45.3
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: 0.45
* Percent of homicides by guns: 19.8

Switzerland:
* Firearms per 100 people: 45.7
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: 0.77
* Percent of homicides by guns: 72.2

United States:
* Firearms per 100 people: 88.8
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: 3.21
* Percent of homicides by guns: 67.5

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

So what is your solution?

Strict renewable gun licencing, background checks, waiting periods.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

So what is your solution?

Take the CIA and splinter it into a thousand pieces.

originally posted by: links234

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

So what is your solution?

Strict renewable gun licencing, background checks, waiting periods.

That could help solve the problem but as stated earlier in the thread, many killing sprees are committed with illegal guns and are barely reported on, if at all.

I definitely agree that background checks are important though as long as they are fair.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

There's not a one-size-fits-all answer to gun violence in America. Those are just some ideas.

This site has changed so much - it's so right, that 20 people killed has a "ho-hum" two page thread dedicated to it. Probably mostly because the killer was a right, Trump loving, immigrant hating, wall-supporting white dude. Not one comment about that. Pathetic.

Trump sows hate and discord, but hey, it's all cool. We'll be protected from the evil brown people. Maga baby!

This is a very myopic thread that just parrots the liberal mantra.

The US does not have a gun violence problem. The fact that guns are used in acts of violence does not make it a gun problem. Knives are used. Cars are used. Rocks, sticks, pipes, baseball bats, are used. Hell, one woman beat her husband to death with a frozen chicken. That doesn't mean we have a frozen chicken problem. The per capita murder rate in London just passed New York not that long ago. And its happening with knives because they banned guns. So the liberal answer of course is to ban knives. Heaven forbid they address the real problem.

What we have is a serious loss of respect for life in this country, and the world in general. We have generation after generation being raised believing the only way to get what they want is violence. We have people with mental disorders carrying illegal weapons smuggled across one of the most commonly illegally crossed borders on earth. We have massive amounts of psychotropic drugs being smuggled across that same border poisoning the minds of the people.

We do not have a gun problem. We have a problem of humans with no sense of humanity.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

The U.S. has a huge gun-to-citizen ratio, and a ridiculous # of deaths due to mass shootings. You seriously don't see a correlation here? Or are you suggesting we just need to make people "better people" somehow? People with disorders are just that.. you won't reduce the # of shootings by preaching "respect human lives" to those people. The larger our population grows, the greater the number of these shootings will occur.

Take away guns? Naw. Much better vetting? Yea. It's ironic that an immigrant can kill a single person and we hear about how that proves a massive multi-billion dollar wall must be built and maintained. Better vetting for immigrants!! Yet crap like this shooting happens, and.. nothing of the sort. Pfft, guns aren't the issue. Just need to convince those with mental instabilities that human lives MATTER so like.. no more shooting ok?!

An idea. Stop make real ammunition, start make plastic ammunition.

Dayton Ohio is next !!!!!

😧

originally posted by: whiteblack
An idea. Stop make real ammunition, start make plastic ammunition.

Open doors for counterfeiting and smuggling and the black-trade underground 😎🚬

originally posted by: fleabit
a reply to: Vroomfondel

The U.S. has a huge gun-to-citizen ratio, and a ridiculous # of deaths due to mass shootings. You seriously don't see a correlation here? Or are you suggesting we just need to make people "better people" somehow? People with disorders are just that.. you won't reduce the # of shootings by preaching "respect human lives" to those people. The larger our population grows, the greater the number of these shootings will occur.

Take away guns? Naw. Much better vetting? Yea. It's ironic that an immigrant can kill a single person and we hear about how that proves a massive multi-billion dollar wall must be built and maintained. Better vetting for immigrants!! Yet crap like this shooting happens, and.. nothing of the sort. Pfft, guns aren't the issue. Just need to convince those with mental instabilities that human lives MATTER so like.. no more shooting ok?!

Huge is a relative term. Yes, there are a lot of guns in this country. There always was and there always will be. But this problem of mass shootings is relatively new. If it was really due to the availability of guns then this would not be new at all nor would it be surprising to anyone who hears about it. But it is a surprise every time we hear it and it is new. You cant have guns for hundreds of years without this problem then suddenly have this problem and say its because of the guns.

An immigrant can kill a single person... What a bunch of bs. You make jokes about a multi-billion dollar wall like you never knew that many of these mass shootings were committed by foreigners who entered this country illegally under the guise of asylum. San Bernardino ring a bell? Or what about the Boston marathon bombers? Oh wait, that wasn't guns so it doesn't fit your narrative and we should just forget about that one - committed by so-called refugees. so let me ask you - how many people do illegal aliens have to kill before you give a f**k? How many Americans have to die before you start thinking maybe that wall is a good idea?

People with disorders aren't supposed to have guns. That is part of the vetting process. But, when you have the most commonly illegally crossed border on Earth, its no wonder these people manage to get their hands on guns anyway. But yeah, screw the wall. Its racist.

It looks like ATS removed 95% of the posts in this thread. Oh well, it's their forum to do with as the owners please.

sadly i don't think there is just one reason for these killings. you have the bullied and outcasts killing their peers that torment them. of course the best way to deal with that is to properly and effectively deal with bullies. yet even though they keep saying they are working to deal with that, the killings get worse. which would seem to point out that the bullying problem is getting worse and not better.

i think one of the big things that ties into many of the non crime type shootings (ie not things like gang shootings or other shootings in committing normal crimes, which is most shootings), is due to the stress created from our fast paced society. along with things like the lack of real paying jobs, which were shipped overseas to save money. as well as worries over job security. running along with rising costs of everything. a society with 1 in 6 people taking drugs for mental issues. and many of those drugs being very powerful and having severely dangerous side effects and loss of personal control. instead of people getting proper treatment for their problems. and while the US may be ahead of the game, it won't be too many years until this is a worldwide problem. i am even seeing some of the beginnings in what used to be slower paced countries. which are now becoming more fast paced just like in the US and Canada. and Canada is not too far behind the US in these types of things.

in this case it may be politically motivated thanks to the democrats and their failure to do anything about the illegal immigrants. and instead wanting to coddle them, and give them everything. including some of the very things actual Americans lack or have to work to hard to get. tied in with all the racist democrat policies that are everywhere. and the divisions the democrats are causing in society pitting this group against that group. these things take a toll and can easily cause someone to act out in vigilante fashion. or act out against those that are being put ahead of them by democrat policies of division.

talking about guns does less than nothing. by concentrating on guns you just ignore the real problems causing such things. letting them get far worse.

sadly i don't think there is just one reason for these killings. you have the bullied and outcasts killing their peers that torment them. of course the best way to deal with that is to properly and effectively deal with bullies. yet even though they keep saying they are working to deal with that, the killings get worse. which would seem to point out that the bullying problem is getting worse and not better.

i think one of the big things that ties into many of the non crime type shootings (ie not things like gang shootings or other shootings in committing normal crimes, which is most shootings), is due to the stress created from our fast paced society. along with things like the lack of real paying jobs, which were shipped overseas to save money. as well as worries over job security. running along with rising costs of everything. a society with 1 in 6 people taking drugs for mental issues. and many of those drugs being very powerful and having severely dangerous side effects and loss of personal control. instead of people getting proper treatment for their problems. and while the US may be ahead of the game, it won't be too many years until this is a worldwide problem. i am even seeing some of the beginnings in what used to be slower paced countries. which are now becoming more fast paced just like in the US and Canada. and Canada is not too far behind the US in these types of things.

in this case it may be politically motivated thanks to the democrats and their failure to do anything about the illegal immigrants. and instead wanting to coddle them, and give them everything. including some of the very things actual Americans lack or have to work to hard to get. tied in with all the racist democrat policies that are everywhere. and the divisions the democrats are causing in society pitting this group against that group. these things take a toll and can easily cause someone to act out in vigilante fashion. or act out against those that are being put ahead of them by democrat policies of division.

talking about guns does less than nothing. by concentrating on guns you just ignore the real problems causing such things. letting them get far worse.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: links234

Politicizing another tragedy much?

American Socialist says it all. America cannot handle socialism and it's a seriously bad idea to disarm your citizens.

Sad day for all. Save the gun debates please.

Seems like it’s never the right time for a gun debate. When is the right time?

Countries without such free access to weapons do not suffer these atrocities on such a regular basis.

Yeah, that's not true. If you plot gun violence rates on a chart with gun ownership rates by country, there is no correlation. There's countries with high gun availability that do not have this problem, and countries like ours with high gun availability that do. On the other hand, there are countries with low gun availability that have very little gun violence and also countries with low gun availability that have tons of gun violence.

If the availability of guns was the primary factor, that would not be the case. Gun availability is not the cause. That's a statistical fact.

Statistics are funny things. Like it is a statistical fact that there are fewer such incidents in countries with strict gun control.

However, as I said, it’s your country and not my place to interfere. From the outside looking in, though, it is sad and predictable. I hope you guys can work it out. I imagine nothing will happen though, gun laws pretty much the same, mass shootings regularly. It is a high price but they are your freedoms.

originally posted by: fleabit
This site has changed so much - it's so right, that 20 people killed has a "ho-hum" two page thread dedicated to it. Probably mostly because the killer was a right, Trump loving, immigrant hating, wall-supporting white dude. Not one comment about that. Pathetic.

Trump sows hate and discord, but hey, it's all cool. We'll be protected from the evil brown people. Maga baby!

ATS is a supremacism playground,I'm not even sure how it happened but I am sure the orange bafoon has an integral role.

originally posted by: links234

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

So what is your solution?

Strict renewable gun licencing, background checks, waiting periods.

That's will make guns tougher to obtain illegally, but what about Jose who just came from el Salvador with a bunch with filed down serial numbers.

In NYC certain cultures want to have a gun like it's the latest fashion trend.

Does my tech 9 go with these?
Or does the uzi look. Better with these sneakers?

originally posted by: links234
United States:
* Firearms per 100 people: 88.8
* Firearm homicides per 100,000: 3.21
* Percent of homicides by guns: 67.5

There's lies, damned lies and statistics. It's generally accepted that there are more firearms in the US than people, so the number of firearms per 100 people is 100+.

Anyway, without getting into a p1ssing contest, within the developed world the number of firearm homicides per capita is the highest in the US. It is low though when compared to places like Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico and similar countries, some of with have low gun ownership.

While we can argue the causal link between the number of guns and related deaths, what is clear is that the US has a different type of gun culture. There are 2 million plus licensed firearms in the UK, but we don't feel the urge to walk around town with them "just in case". However, as the frequency and nature of these mass murders continues I would hope that a culture of responsibility starts to take root. You can do this without threatening a high level of gun ownership.

Not trying to get into a debate about gun ownership BTW.

To the OP. Very sad.