Active shooter at Walmart in El Paso, TX

a reply to: Nyiah

Technically speaking, one without an open parachute bounces.

Americans killing fellow Americans, I am sure these 2 recent incidents will be because of "prescribed drugs, recreational drugs, democrats, MK ultra etc" rather than the firearms, its not like other countries do not have "prescribed drugs, recreational drugs, politics" other countries dont have access to firearms though, but no it cant be that can it.

To the gun advocates what are you proposals to resolve this ? or is this not an issue? its just a by product of a healthy armed society

originally posted by: MisterSpock

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: amagyar
a reply to: opethPA

So if you ask questions, and follow common sense , that means you are labeled a scary "Conspiracy Theorists" right lol.
You are pathetic, so many things are wrong on almost every "mass shootings" So many early reports and the outcome won't match ever. I had friends they were in Las Vegas, it was a biggest bs, and they didn't even do it right, it was a joke. But go and turn on CNN , and return your guns if you have any, or call the police on your parents...

Our ability to question the narrative is being tightened, big tech is helping.

Yup, I'm sure the inclusion of "chan" boards, the fact that they "fuel" these types of events, and obviously need to be removed from the net, are just another step in limiting free discourse.

I can't wait to see what the "manifesto" says(the abridged version) that is shown to the masses. Versus what the original said.

This appears to be the whole version of the 'alleged' manifesto...I think.

Link

Personally, I question that a 21 year old could write this.

a reply to: UpIsNowDown

To the gun advocates what are you proposals to resolve this ?

Killing people doesn't require a gun, as was so clearly proven in Nice, France. A truck is a perfectly good weapon to kill people. A kitchen pressure cooker was a perfectly good weapon to kill people at the Boston Marathon. A knife was a perfectly good weapon to kill people in China. Fertilizer, a truck and diesel fuel was a perfectly good weapon to kill 168 people in Oklahoma City. And, most importantly, not a single shot was fired to kill 3,000 people on September 11, 2001, not a single shot. The single largest mass murder in history required not a single shot to be fired from a gun.

But do you know what one single thing was the common denominator in all those mass murders???? Do you know what one thing they all had in common??? It took "people" to commit these acts! Guns were illegal or heavily restricted in every single one of the areas where these tragic events took place, yet they still happened.

So, you ask...

To the gun advocates what are you proposals to resolve this ?

What do YOU think the answer is based on the above???

It's patently obvious outlawing guns doesn't solve the problem, but maybe we should outlaw...MURDERING PEOPLE!

Wait...

DBL

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

Just an afterthought...if walmart didn't cave in to the liberals and still sold guns...

Walmart absolutely still sells guns.

a reply to: LordAhriman

Depends on which Walmart you go to. Some don't.

In fact, I used to go to a Walmart in Goodland, KS all the time during pheasant season to buy shotgun shells. One year I went in and they didn't have any, so I asked the sporting good department manager why. He told me they had never sold any firearms or ammunition...ever (and that he'd been there for 15 years). WTF???? I told him I must have been hallucinating all those years then, and he made some snide remark about it being a good thing if I was hallucinating. Two years later I went in the same Walmart and not only were they selling ammunition, but rifles too. I didn't see that sporting goods manager anywhere though.

a reply to: Chadwickus

I don't know what this argument is about exactly but I watched the changes happen in real time last night on his my life page.


Someone, and yes, it could have Republicans or aliens or whatever, were adding and changing things on his page.

His religion changed from Christian to Jewish. They changed his highschool to something that said Zion Right Wing Academy or some such. They said he attended Hitler Youth Camps. It was a damn mess.

So, we can stop this discussion. The page info was changed and no, we don't have proof yet of who did it.

ETA that the page is currently still changing with each reload.

originally posted by: amagyar
a reply to: opethPA

So if you ask questions, and follow common sense , that means you are labeled a scary "Conspiracy Theorists" right lol.
You are pathetic, so many things are wrong on almost every "mass shootings" So many early reports and the outcome won't match ever. I had friends they were in Las Vegas, it was a biggest bs, and they didn't even do it right, it was a joke. But go and turn on CNN , and return your guns if you have any, or call the police on your parents...

Ever play a game of Whisper Down the Lane? If so then you know how easily details or information can get changed and that's in a nice and fun way.

Literally take a blue van and drive it down the middle of the street then talk to everyone on that street. How many different reports or variations do you think you would get? Again that is in a nice setting.

Now so the same with the chaos of a mass shooting.initial reports made in the middle of that chaos are not going to always match up as everyone's perception is different.

As for Vegas.. Funny you should mention that as I was in Vegas when the shooting happened for a trade show. I'll gladly talk about what I saw there, in a different thread, vs what your friends claimed to see. Who knows which is right other than obvious facts of multiple people died.

a reply to: opethPA

I was involved in a NTSB crash investigation of a commercial airliner several years ago. I remember one of the NTSB investigators saying that nearly 100% of all eyewitness accounts of an airliner crash are either flat-out erroneous or are heavily flawed to the point of being nearly useless in piecing together what really happened.

When a startling or terrifying event happens, people "see" what their minds tell them they saw, not what they actually saw.

a reply to: UpIsNowDown

If you were listening to the news from Mexico you would think they are at war. Almost every week there is a mass shooting and sometimes more often. In Mexico there is gun control and most people can't have firearms. But what's worse, not all the shootings are from drug cartels. Although drug cartels would target people in fiestas, even mistakenly killing dozens and killing children too. But what's really worse has been the mass shootings of disarmed Mexicans by government officials and the federal police.

Disarmed people can't defend themselves at all. Bill Clinton disarmed our soldiers in our military bases, and what we got have been more soldiers murdered because no one with a firearm was inside the military bases... Instead cops have to come from outside the bases, wait for back up which leaves the murderers to kill more of our soldiers and then they go in.

Another example is Venezuela, the government of Chavez and Maduro disarmed all people, and then Chavez/Maduro armed Chavistas whom have been murdering people for not wanting socialism in Venezuela. That country is a war zone. The police under the orders from both Chavez and Maduro have murdered unarmed people, including as an example a teenager who was walking home from school and didn't know there was a protest, he hid under a car and a police officer shot him in the head. Venezuela is a war zone, and disarmed people are being murdered by the Chavistas and government forces that are still loyal to Maduro.

Disarming people has ALWAYS been worse. ALWAYS.

This murderer deserves to burn in hell, but disarming law abiding citizens because of such people is the worse idea there is.

In the United States the places were most mass shootings occur are GUN CONTROL DEMOCRAT cities/states, and even in "gun free zones."

May God rest in peace all those who were murdered and their families.

a reply to: face23785

The motive is unknown, until the Mainstream Liberal Media can make up something to associate the shooter with either Trump or other conservatives. so they can come after everyone else's guns who are at home watching this. that didn't pull the trigger. If the shooter is a Liberal, this story will fade pretty fast.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: MisterSpock

(sad, I know, but at least they get the trigger warning, because I'm a nice bloke like that)

Nope, your are just helping to keep the childish behavior alive.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: UpIsNowDown

If you were listening to the news from Mexico you would think they are at war. Almost every week there is a mass shooting and sometimes more often.

Really?

I don't mean to be antagonistic, but where is your proof. Show me a few news articles etc reporting recent "mass shootings" in the United Mexican States.

I tried to look and the only recent one was a couple of weeks ago when two Israelis were shot dead in Mexico City by a murderer "in disguise".

EDIT: Found one, but hardly a mass shooting. One journalist shot dead in the Norther-eastern UMS city of Actopan. Checking "mass shooting" stats of the United Mexican States now...

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: UpIsNowDown

To the gun advocates what are you proposals to resolve this ?

Killing people doesn't require a gun, as was so clearly proven in Nice, France. A truck is a perfectly good weapon to kill people. A kitchen pressure cooker was a perfectly good weapon to kill people at the Boston Marathon. A knife was a perfectly good weapon to kill people in China. Fertilizer, a truck and diesel fuel was a perfectly good weapon to kill 168 people in Oklahoma City. And, most importantly, not a single shot was fired to kill 3,000 people on September 11, 2001, not a single shot. The single largest mass murder in history required not a single shot to be fired from a gun.

But do you know what one single thing was the common denominator in all those mass murders???? Do you know what one thing they all had in common??? It took "people" to commit these acts! Guns were illegal or heavily restricted in every single one of the areas where these tragic events took place, yet they still happened.

So, you ask...

To the gun advocates what are you proposals to resolve this ?

What do YOU think the answer is based on the above???

It's patently obvious outlawing guns doesn't solve the problem, but maybe we should outlaw...MURDERING PEOPLE!

Wait...

This is the perfect answer for how gun control doesn't work. It only helps the Government when they remove guns. Governments that then usually mistreat their people. Also, criminals will not give up their guns, as they don't observe laws. Another thing that UpIsNowDown didn't take into consideration is the amount of people in the countries with gun control. There are hardly any people in those countries in comparison to the U.S.....not even close. The more people, the more potential for ANYTHING to happen. Gun control advocates are so myopically focused on just taking the tool away from people, instead of combating the root of the issue. Mental Illness. These Gun Control advocates (Liberals or jealous people from other countries already under the Government boot) can't seem to grasp anything outside of what the Mainstream Media trains them to think.

a reply to: face23785>>> This kid was messed up. His fears ran the gamut and crossed both political spectrums. Illegal immigration. Loss of economic status for whites and all americans. Global warming. Environmental havoc. Coprorations controlling the government. He lived in fear and lashed out in violence at those he thought were his enemies. His father is some kind of new age therapist. His manifesto looked like it was written by several different people and varied between despair to parroting technical info on guns. A gun crazy environmentalist white supremacist anti Illuminati health care for all nut? This sounds screwy to say the least. I am so glad they got him alive. We need to know what he's been doing for the last year, what social media he's been on, who his contacts were. I will say I think he's been MK ultraed and this manifesto was written for him. It wouldn't be the first time the deep state pulled this kind of stunt, it won't be the last.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

Just an afterthought...if walmart didn't cave in to the liberals and still sold guns...

Walmart absolutely still sells guns.

They stopped selling "assault rifles." Lot of difference that made didn't it?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: UpIsNowDown

If you were listening to the news from Mexico you would think they are at war. Almost every week there is a mass shooting and sometimes more often. In Mexico there is gun control and most people can't have firearms. But what's worse, not all the shootings are from drug cartels. Although drug cartels would target people in fiestas, even mistakenly killing dozens and killing children too. But what's really worse has been the mass shootings of disarmed Mexicans by government officials and the federal police.

Disarmed people can't defend themselves at all. Bill Clinton disarmed our soldiers in our military bases, and what we got have been more soldiers murdered because no one with a firearm was inside the military bases... Instead cops have to come from outside the bases, wait for back up which leaves the murderers to kill more of our soldiers and then they go in.

Another example is Venezuela, the government of Chavez and Maduro disarmed all people, and then Chavez/Maduro armed Chavistas whom have been murdering people for not wanting socialism in Venezuela. That country is a war zone. The police under the orders from both Chavez and Maduro have murdered unarmed people, including as an example a teenager who was walking home from school and didn't know there was a protest, he hid under a car and a police officer shot him in the head. Venezuela is a war zone, and disarmed people are being murdered by the Chavistas and government forces that are still loyal to Maduro.

Disarming people has ALWAYS been worse. ALWAYS.

This murderer deserves to burn in hell, but disarming law abiding citizens because of such people is the worse idea there is.

In the United States the places were most mass shootings occur are GUN CONTROL DEMOCRAT cities/states, and even in "gun free zones."

May God rest in peace all those who were murdered and their families.

Adding to my reply the you above, just quickly searched up firearm stats:

UMS v USA crime stats

Forget about population sizes for a second, but per million people, the USA has 32.57 murders with firearms compared to UMS' 24.42. Sure, overall, UMS' general murder rate is actually far higher than the USA's, but this conversation is about shootings and firearms.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: UpIsNowDown

To the gun advocates what are you proposals to resolve this ?

Killing people doesn't require a gun, as was so clearly proven in Nice, France. A truck is a perfectly good weapon to kill people. A kitchen pressure cooker was a perfectly good weapon to kill people at the Boston Marathon. A knife was a perfectly good weapon to kill people in China. Fertilizer, a truck and diesel fuel was a perfectly good weapon to kill 168 people in Oklahoma City. And, most importantly, not a single shot was fired to kill 3,000 people on September 11, 2001, not a single shot. The single largest mass murder in history required not a single shot to be fired from a gun.

But do you know what one single thing was the common denominator in all those mass murders???? Do you know what one thing they all had in common??? It took "people" to commit these acts! Guns were illegal or heavily restricted in every single one of the areas where these tragic events took place, yet they still happened.

So, you ask...

To the gun advocates what are you proposals to resolve this ?

What do YOU think the answer is based on the above???

It's patently obvious outlawing guns doesn't solve the problem, but maybe we should outlaw...MURDERING PEOPLE!

Wait...

When President Obama ordered the CDC to research gun violence after Newtown, one thing they came back with was that there's simply not enough unbiased research into the root causes of this issue. They recommended more research into several areas, including mental health, societal factors and the impact of violent media.

President Obama ordered no additional research. And we all know why. CDC didn't come back with "ban guns" as the solution, so he wasn't interested. This study got almost zero coverage in the media. Anyone interested can check the link in my sig for more details about the study. Not one gun control advocate posted in that thread when I made it. Many of them are completely oblivious to the fact that that study exists, and still think the CDC is "banned" from studying gun violence. They're not, that's just a gun control lie.

More real research into this is needed, but the only "research" the gun control crowd wants is stuff supplied by groups like Everytown or MAIG that will have pre-determined results that guns are evil and must be banned.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

We'll also just conveniently ignore the fact that more than 70% of all crime in Mexico goes unreported / undocumented.

So, yeah...Mexico is such a safe place!