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How Can We Have Civil Conversations With The Other Side?

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posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: LeoStarchild

Apparently truth is subjective.


truth is always subjective.

Facts are not.



Who was the public figure recently saying facts aren't facts. The lines are being purposefully blurred.


*laughs*

Like definitions of "socialism" and "democratic socialism"?


*laughs even harder then coughs because laughing so hard*




posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I personally think the vast majority of people really don't think this way, I think the media is fanning the flames and both sides are playing into it.

I know American people are great people in general, I am one, however if I believe what the TV tells me American people are fully bat # crazy.
edit on 30-7-2019 by hopenotfeariswhatweneed because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: LeoStarchild

History doesn't have a side. For better or for worse, it simply is. The left thinks they can game the system by trying to tell everyone it's a foregone conclusion.




Again another blanket statement, is this where I return in kind with the right think they can.......?


No, it's not a blanket statement. It's a simple fact.

History is the events that happened, past tense.

Unless you can accurately tell the future, you cannot know what turns history will take, what events will occur.

For example, every single person who said confidently that Hillary would win the election would likely also have told people who weren't going to vote for her that they were going to be "on the wrong side of history". How did that turn out?

Rightly or wrongly, history wound up being different than most everyone thought. It simply is. Events will be what they will be. History has no sides.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Well it's true that most people don't pay attention to how much money gets allocated to their home districts thanks to the efforts of their local congresscritter.

The HUD regional gal for Baltimore said that 1.8 billion has been sunk into that area since Trump has been in office. What have they done with it?

But I guarantee you that they do hear when Cummings tells them that everyone in government hates them and won't send them enough because the system is racist and that's why nothing gets better.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 04:52 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: LeoStarchild

Apparently truth is subjective.


truth is always subjective.

Facts are not.



Who was the public figure recently saying facts aren't facts. The lines are being purposefully blurred.


*laughs*

Like definitions of "socialism" and "democratic socialism"?


*laughs even harder then coughs because laughing so hard*




So... Why do you pay attention to the talking heads again?
edit on 30-7-2019 by hopenotfeariswhatweneed because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It's the curse of wanting to be informed.

In order to know what's going on, you have to pay attention to what they are doing and saying which means consuming media of various types although I confess to mostly reading mine these days because I quickly tire of TV and radio sources.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: LeoStarchild

History doesn't have a side. For better or for worse, it simply is. The left thinks they can game the system by trying to tell everyone it's a foregone conclusion.




Again another blanket statement, is this where I return in kind with the right think they can.......?


No, it's not a blanket statement. It's a simple fact.




This is where disagree, when you describe left as a whole entity it's a blanket statement, it's no different to me saying the right are racists, it's counterproductive and leads nowhere.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It's the curse of wanting to be informed.

In order to know what's going on, you have to pay attention to what they are doing and saying which means consuming media of various types although I confess to mostly reading mine these days because I quickly tire of TV and radio sources.




Read the newspaper you're misinformed, don't read them you're uninformed. Talk about being in between a rock and a hard place.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Which is why I consume a wide variety of sources on all sides of an issue. Most of the conservative sites I read will link to the original source material which is often a jumping off point to more liberal/left-leaning to outright leftist sides of the issue in question.

And in the middle of all that, I make up my mind what I think about it and usually there are things everyone agrees on in one way or another.

Also, we need to get back where I describe left as a whole entity. You'll need to own up that some things are leftist or left. They just are the same way some things are conservative. I have no problem admitting that some things are conservative. Conservative as a position does not lump together all conservatives, much like saying something is left or leftist doesn't lump together all leftists.

And that has nothing to do with the right side of history as craptastic saying.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: LeoStarchild

Apparently truth is subjective.


truth is always subjective.

Facts are not.



Who was the public figure recently saying facts aren't facts. The lines are being purposefully blurred.


*laughs*

Like definitions of "socialism" and "democratic socialism"?


*laughs even harder then coughs because laughing so hard*




So... Why do you pay attention to the talking heads again?


It's you and those like yourself that are always redefining things.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Sure there are leftist ideas and right wing ideas, but these are are ideas and not set in stone. I'm a liberal but have quite a lot conservative values, I don't fit into either camp nor do I want to.

Yes though I see what your saying and you are right. Perhaps for you as a educated thinking person that applies, however there are many on this site that it just doesn't.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: LeoStarchild

Apparently truth is subjective.


truth is always subjective.

Facts are not.



Who was the public figure recently saying facts aren't facts. The lines are being purposefully blurred.


*laughs*

Like definitions of "socialism" and "democratic socialism"?


*laughs even harder then coughs because laughing so hard*




So... Why do you pay attention to the talking heads again?


It's you and those like yourself that are always redefining things.



Is this your idea of a civil conversation...



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: ketsuko

Sure there are leftist ideas and right wing ideas, but these are are ideas and not set in stone. I'm a liberal but have quite a lot conservative values, I don't fit into either camp nor do I want to.

Yes though I see what your saying and you are right. Perhaps for you as a educated thinking person that applies, however there are many on this site that it just doesn't.


But in having a discussion, you are discussing the relative merits of differing ideas.

For example, I think everyone wants to help the poor, but the left-leaning approach to it looks quite a bit different than the right-leaning approach.

Everyone wants equality. But the left's version of equality looks much different than the right's. And so on and so forth.

In order to discuss, truly discuss, the relative merits or differences to the differing ideas, the groundwork must be laid with a clear understanding of the concepts being compared, and if the concepts themselves are not set in stone at least for the duration of the discussion, then everyone is trying to cope with shifting sand.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: LeoStarchild

Apparently truth is subjective.


truth is always subjective.

Facts are not.



Who was the public figure recently saying facts aren't facts. The lines are being purposefully blurred.


*laughs*

Like definitions of "socialism" and "democratic socialism"?


*laughs even harder then coughs because laughing so hard*




So... Why do you pay attention to the talking heads again?


It's you and those like yourself that are always redefining things.



Is this your idea of a civil conversation...


I've never been civil, never stated I was civil or have ever tried to be civil.


I try to be funny sometimes. I use satire often.

Other times I'm downright mean.




posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: LeoStarchild

Apparently truth is subjective.


truth is always subjective.

Facts are not.



Who was the public figure recently saying facts aren't facts. The lines are being purposefully blurred.


*laughs*

Like definitions of "socialism" and "democratic socialism"?


*laughs even harder then coughs because laughing so hard*




So... Why do you pay attention to the talking heads again?


It's you and those like yourself that are always redefining things.



Is this your idea of a civil conversation...


He has a point. One of the tactics used on the left-leaning side of the debate has been to redefine terms to mean new things.

It makes it hard to discuss because then you end up talking across each other and not talking about the same things.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: LeoStarchild

Apparently truth is subjective.


truth is always subjective.

Facts are not.



Who was the public figure recently saying facts aren't facts. The lines are being purposefully blurred.


*laughs*

Like definitions of "socialism" and "democratic socialism"?


*laughs even harder then coughs because laughing so hard*




So... Why do you pay attention to the talking heads again?


It's you and those like yourself that are always redefining things.



Is this your idea of a civil conversation...


He has a point. One of the tactics used on the left-leaning side of the debate has been to redefine terms to mean new things.

It makes it hard to discuss because then you end up talking across each other and not talking about the same things.




I don't think that is a partisan issue, that's an educational issue, comprehension it at an all time low.

I have no idea though how exactly to find common ground, with equal understanding of exactly what is being discussed.

For example why are there so many different dictionaries that blur the meaning of words ?



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: LeoStarchild

Apparently truth is subjective.


truth is always subjective.

Facts are not.



Who was the public figure recently saying facts aren't facts. The lines are being purposefully blurred.


*laughs*

Like definitions of "socialism" and "democratic socialism"?


*laughs even harder then coughs because laughing so hard*




So... Why do you pay attention to the talking heads again?


It's you and those like yourself that are always redefining things.



Is this your idea of a civil conversation...


I've never been civil, never stated I was civil or have ever tried to be civil.


I try to be funny sometimes. I use satire often.

Other times I'm downright mean.




When you're funny your funny, you have great sense of humor, unfortunately though you've drawn a line in the sand and a result you appear somewhat brainwashed by the whole charade.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


So I don't just have a different opinion.

I'm brainwashed.




And people wonder why I'm a dick.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


So I don't just have a different opinion.

I'm brainwashed.




And people wonder why I'm a dick.




You made a statement in this thread you have no intention of having a civil conversation with the other side, in a thread titled how do we have a civil conversation with the other side. So yes that's being a dick.



posted on Jul, 30 2019 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Brainwashed? Why?

You have to understand most people you're going to discuss with have arrived at their positions through years of thinking about things, right?

I don't expect to change people's minds. I'm not winning coverts. What I expect is for people to respect that I have a different point of view, that I hold that point of view for a reason (or reasons) that are as valid as anyone else's, and that through my point of view and someone else's, we might be able to come to an agreement on some approaches to some of our society's problems.

That can happen without anyone changing their base starting point.

DB doesn't even have to change his position on the COTUS which I pretty much share, btw, for us to find answers.




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