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I think universal healthcare is stupid

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posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 03:43 AM
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originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Yeah.but you still didn't argue, i don't know what you're saying still because your initial response was an ad hominem and not an argument. Help me understand




Let me elaborate then.

You pay tax obviously so does it annoy you that you pay tax for roads, should we just just piss all the roads off, what about public transport, do you use it? How do feel about supplementing peoples transport, hell what about public Education is that necessary ?

We live in this mess known as society, at the end of the day we are all in it together.




posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 03:53 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


Roads must exist, so therefore taxation must also!
This is always the go to for commies, it's an inroad for the weak, something as simple as roads.
I do not need you to take my money to build roads. I do not need you to take my money to transport me or anyone else anywhere. The tired, and huddled masses are far greater off without me than anything you can devise.
I am tired of giving what i work for to someone that hasn't. I am tired of being one part in a million that keeps this system afloat.
edit on 27-7-2019 by rockintitz because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 03:59 AM
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a reply to: rockintitz




Lol the UK is such a model of what the healthcare system should be. All rich brits fly to the US for top dollar plastic surgery.. all poor brits wait in line for 8 months to be told they aren't eligible for life saving treatment.




According to the World Health Orginisation the UK's health service is ranked 18, not exactly anything to boast about but American health care is ranked at 37th!!. Average Life expectancy is also a interesting one with the UK being ranked at number 20 America at 31. Infant mortality the uk is at 24 and America at 32

Now this is despite Americans spending more money on health care as a percentage of GDP.

The UK system is far form perfect and am not even going to try to argue that America should go for a comparable system but at the same time am not going to let you sit and talk about off your arse hole. The current standard for Cancer treatment for example in the UK is:


no more than 2 months (62 days) wait between the date the hospital receives an urgent referral for suspected cancer and the start of treatment

no more than 31 days wait between the meeting at which you and your doctor agree the treatment plan and the start of treatment


Waiting 8 months for life saving treatment in the UK is very rare, its even rarer to be waiting for that only to be turned away.

Again you're talking out of the wrong hole buddy.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:15 AM
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If the US truly said screw society there would not be a UK along with a bunch of other countries that brag about their cool universal healthcare. End of the day though, the US has the largest pool of the best doctors and care in the world. It's about quality here not quantity.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:16 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin




According to the World Health Orginisation the UK's health service is ranked 18, not exactly anything to boast about but American health care is ranked at 37th!!. Average Life expectancy is also a interesting one with the UK being ranked at number 20 America at 31. Infant mortality the uk is at 24 and America at 32 

Infant mortality is a good metric to use to prove your point. What demographics in the US most agree with your stats?



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:19 AM
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a reply to: Stupidsecrets

The American system fosters innovation. All these foreign people want you to feel bad for being a part of the people that own the world.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:21 AM
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originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin




According to the World Health Orginisation the UK's health service is ranked 18, not exactly anything to boast about but American health care is ranked at 37th!!. Average Life expectancy is also a interesting one with the UK being ranked at number 20 America at 31. Infant mortality the uk is at 24 and America at 32 

Infant mortality is a good metric to use to prove your point. What demographics in the US most agree with your stats?


It doesn't matter what demographics agree those are the statistics, they are not dependent on if its a liberal or a conservative looking at them they don't change they just get twisted but the raw statistics are available for all to see without the tinted spectacles of red and blue.

When you look at the stats , American healthcare, despite the fact that Americans spend more on healthcare than anywhere else in the world, is comparatively quite average in comparison with other developed states. There are lots of countries ahead of America on healthcare that are using socialised systems. Again I am not trying to make an argument here that America should nationalise all healthcare but rather point out that your argument against other forms of health care is utter bollocks.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:25 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
What countries are so far ahead of American healthcare that Americans choose to travel abroad to receive it?



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:26 AM
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a reply to: rockintitz

I have news for you... You don't keep this system afloat, you exist to line the pockets of the ruling class.

You don't get to pick and choose where your tax dollars are spent.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:30 AM
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a reply to: rockintitz

Our greed ridden selfish planet would never agree to something as humane as basic universal health care.
edit on 27-7-2019 by ViXxeN because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:31 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DupontDeux
a reply to: rockintitz




I think universal healthcare is stupid


Why?

You forgot to elaborate on that part.


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I'm fairly sure the part in which he said he doesn't want to supplement other peoples healthcare was the elaboration.


Logically, it can't be stupid, because he doesn't want to pay for it; he doesn't want to pay for it because it is stupid - which is fair, but still leaves the rather important question of why it is stupid in the first place.

Imagine the reverse, him claiming that the reason universal healthcare is a clever idea is that he wants to pay for it, rather than claiming to want to pay for it because it is a clever idea. That would make equally little sense.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:32 AM
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originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
What countries are so far ahead of American healthcare that Americans choose to travel abroad to receive it?




Healthcare tourism is global, lots travel to America, lots travel the the UK, rather a lot of people like Switzerland for end of life care. I work in health care, health care is more than just the technology, you can have the most advanced operating room in the world set up but it means nothing if you don't have the right people in the room or providing the aftercare, it means nothing if you dont have the right support in place for the patient.
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posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:32 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I am asking questions about the logic behind where my tax dollars are spent. I'm taxed, so are you. Is it right? If so, why?
I'm not running it, I'm just asking why



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:34 AM
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a reply to: DupontDeux

Would you prefer unhealthy, diseased and unvaccinated people roaming the streets bumping into your children, healthcare is more than a right it's imperative to a functioning society.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:34 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Well now you bring me to a simpler question. Should a foreigner be able to claim the "right" to health insurance if not a citizen of the country that offers it?



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:38 AM
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originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I am asking questions about the logic behind where my tax dollars are spent. I'm taxed, so are you. Is it right? If so, why?
I'm not running it, I'm just asking why




As I elaborated in my post above, it's for all of our benefit that we keep sickness at bay or it will spread, the next pandemic will be a result of lack of healthcare...

Healthcare is the number 1 issue bar poverty for us moving forward, oh and population density which plays right into this.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:38 AM
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originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Well now you bring me to a simpler question. Should a foreigner be able to claim the "right" to health insurance if not a citizen of the country that offers it?


I'll tell you what happening here.

Your making utterly stupid arguments about healthcare that are being smashed every time you make them so you just reply with some new one-liner that's just as pointless as the last. Your OP is fundamentally flawed as are all your arguments that can be very easily be rebuked

I am not going to waist whats left of my morning entertaining you.

And I dont really think anyone else should.

Bye.
edit on 27-7-2019 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:39 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

A functioning society is based on the most functional input and output.
I would not prefer my children to live around unhealthy and diseased people. I would not like them to live in a society where being "normal" means you're wrong.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:40 AM
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originally posted by: DupontDeux

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DupontDeux
a reply to: rockintitz




I think universal healthcare is stupid


Why?

You forgot to elaborate on that part.


.

I'm fairly sure the part in which he said he doesn't want to supplement other peoples healthcare was the elaboration.


Logically, it can't be stupid, because he doesn't want to pay for it; he doesn't want to pay for it because it is stupid - which is fair, but still leaves the rather important question of why it is stupid in the first place.

Imagine the reverse, him claiming that the reason universal healthcare is a clever idea is that he wants to pay for it, rather than claiming to want to pay for it because it is a clever idea. That would make equally little sense.



It’s stupid because it delegates healthcare to the government, freeing the citizen from the duty to help his fellow man.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 04:40 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

*waste
Lol guess you won



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