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I think universal healthcare is stupid

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posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick

We will pay them no matter what happens.

May as well get something out of it for everyone aka the NHS.

Helps millions of us survive that would otherwise be dead.

Just ask any recipient of an organ transplant should you require clarification.


I can’t imagine how you survived before the NHS. Just dropping like flies. Millions dying. Certainly you weren’t the greatest empire in history.


The NHS was created as society wasn't willing to carry on with the arbitrary way health care was provided prior to the second world.




posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: rockintitz
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posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick




That’s when people get together and provide for healthcare for those unable to get it.


Ahhh right so you've been paying for everyone else to get the health care they require then?


Have you ever heard of charity?



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick


More often than not universal healthcare is the stamp of a decadent society.


Quite the contrary, LesMis. It is the mark of a society that has risen to provide and ensure its populace is cared for.


How many have you cared for? You pay a tax. You neither provide or care for anyone. Instead you pretend.


Tax is how societies pay for things they collectively decide on. Deciding that everyone deserves a minimum standard of healthcare is no.more decadentvthan deciding to have infrastructure or a military.



Then You tell yourself you are ensuring others get healthcare, without actually ensuring others get healthcare.

You pay a tax. That’s the very least you can do for others.


I also don't build roads, arrest people, fight fires etc.

Do you really think things would be better if we all did these things individually?


Imagine if people got together and built roads, arrested people, fought fires? Imagine if people provided healthcare for the ill?

You wouldn’t need to pay a tax.

My argument is getting the government to do all this for is a mark of decadence, that it absolves you from an responsibility to your community and fellow man.


Yes let's imagine.

People dying of preventable diseases, vigilante justice and dirt tracks.

No thanks, I like taxes and civilisation.


You like not having to do anything for your community. Pay the government to do it for you.


Cool if you ever take unwell come round my place and I will perform surgery on you.

We can then talk about whose idea works best*

* assuming your aren't dead, in coma etc.


I’d rather pay a professional. You’d rather pay the government.


And people who can't afford to pay?

Society can decide that everyone is entitled to certain things. That isn't a sign of decadence, you remember your original claim.


That’s when people get together and provide for healthcare for those unable to get it. You can still provide healthcare without delegating that responsibility to the government. But a decadent society would much rather pay a tax than help its own.


The way society does things together is through taxes. We pay for courts and police. We pay for fire services. We pay to be defended. We can (and most countries do) pay for health care.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick

We will pay them no matter what happens.

May as well get something out of it for everyone aka the NHS.

Helps millions of us survive that would otherwise be dead.

Just ask any recipient of an organ transplant should you require clarification.


I can’t imagine how you survived before the NHS. Just dropping like flies. Millions dying. Certainly you weren’t the greatest empire in history.


The NHS was created as society wasn't willing to carry on with the arbitrary way health care was provided prior to the second world.


Thats a round about way of saying It was unwilling to provide healthcare so it delegated that responsibility to the government.
edit on 27-7-2019 by BuckyWunderlick because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick




That’s when people get together and provide for healthcare for those unable to get it.


Ahhh right so you've been paying for everyone else to get the health care they require then?


Have you ever heard of charity?


No I have not. I have literally never heard of the concept of charity in all my years of existence, I don't know what it is and even if you try to explain it to me I probably still won't get it, is it some kind of bald 3 legged dog?



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: FinallyAwake

Why am i responsible for paying for someone else's well being? Why should the money that i work for be distributed to people that dont work, because the state says so?


What if you got sick or injured and could not work no more health care and say you have a kid who now needs urgent medical care.
No one has to help, why should anyone care?



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick

We will pay them no matter what happens.

May as well get something out of it for everyone aka the NHS.

Helps millions of us survive that would otherwise be dead.

Just ask any recipient of an organ transplant should you require clarification.


I can’t imagine how you survived before the NHS. Just dropping like flies. Millions dying. Certainly you weren’t the greatest empire in history.


The NHS was created as society wasn't willing to carry on with the arbitrary way health care was provided prior to the second world.


Thats a round about way of saying It was unwilling to provide healthcare so it delegated that responsibility to the government.


No. it is willing to provide it so pays for it through taxation

The society currently unwilling to provide it to all is the US.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick

We will pay them no matter what happens.

May as well get something out of it for everyone aka the NHS.

Helps millions of us survive that would otherwise be dead.

Just ask any recipient of an organ transplant should you require clarification.


I can’t imagine how you survived before the NHS. Just dropping like flies. Millions dying. Certainly you weren’t the greatest empire in history.


The NHS was created as society wasn't willing to carry on with the arbitrary way health care was provided prior to the second world.


Thats a round about way of saying It was unwilling to provide healthcare so it delegated that responsibility to the government.


No. it is willing to provide it so pays for it through taxation

The society currently unwilling to provide it to all is the US.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Is she not a stripper from Vegas?



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Is she not a stripper from Vegas?


OH!!!

Don't talk to les like that, no name calling!



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick

We will pay them no matter what happens.

May as well get something out of it for everyone aka the NHS.

Helps millions of us survive that would otherwise be dead.

Just ask any recipient of an organ transplant should you require clarification.


I can’t imagine how you survived before the NHS. Just dropping like flies. Millions dying. Certainly you weren’t the greatest empire in history.


The NHS was created as society wasn't willing to carry on with the arbitrary way health care was provided prior to the second world.


Thats a round about way of saying It was unwilling to provide healthcare so it delegated that responsibility to the government.


No. it is willing to provide it so pays for it through taxation

The society currently unwilling to provide it to all is the US.


The only segment of society that is providing healthcare is the government. A society is much larger than it’s government.

That is not the case in the US, where healthcare is a product of the citizens.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Is she not a stripper from Vegas?


OH!!!

Don't talk to les like that, no name calling!


Another career option the surgery opened up for you .



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: BuckyWunderlick




The only segment of society that is providing healthcare is the government.


Pretty big private healthcare sector in the UK....am just saying.

If you want to you can go pay to have your hip op or what ever done a few weeks sooner probably by the same surgeon.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick

We will pay them no matter what happens.

May as well get something out of it for everyone aka the NHS.

Helps millions of us survive that would otherwise be dead.

Just ask any recipient of an organ transplant should you require clarification.


I can’t imagine how you survived before the NHS. Just dropping like flies. Millions dying. Certainly you weren’t the greatest empire in history.


The NHS was created as society wasn't willing to carry on with the arbitrary way health care was provided prior to the second world.


Thats a round about way of saying It was unwilling to provide healthcare so it delegated that responsibility to the government.


No. it is willing to provide it so pays for it through taxation

The society currently unwilling to provide it to all is the US.


The only segment of society that is providing healthcare is the government. A society is much larger than it’s government.

That is not the case in the US, where healthcare is a product of the citizens.



Society can choose to provide services to it's members. The way that is done in a modern democracy is through government.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick




The only segment of society that is providing healthcare is the government.


Pretty big private healthcare sector in the UK....am just saying.

If you want to you can go pay to have your hip op or what ever done a few weeks sooner probably by the same surgeon.


Very good.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick

We will pay them no matter what happens.

May as well get something out of it for everyone aka the NHS.

Helps millions of us survive that would otherwise be dead.

Just ask any recipient of an organ transplant should you require clarification.


I can’t imagine how you survived before the NHS. Just dropping like flies. Millions dying. Certainly you weren’t the greatest empire in history.


The NHS was created as society wasn't willing to carry on with the arbitrary way health care was provided prior to the second world.


Thats a round about way of saying It was unwilling to provide healthcare so it delegated that responsibility to the government.


No. it is willing to provide it so pays for it through taxation

The society currently unwilling to provide it to all is the US.


The only segment of society that is providing healthcare is the government. A society is much larger than it’s government.

That is not the case in the US, where healthcare is a product of the citizens.



Society can choose to provide services to it's members. The way that is done in a modern democracy is through government.


Most who decided that are dead and gone.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick

We will pay them no matter what happens.

May as well get something out of it for everyone aka the NHS.

Helps millions of us survive that would otherwise be dead.

Just ask any recipient of an organ transplant should you require clarification.


I can’t imagine how you survived before the NHS. Just dropping like flies. Millions dying. Certainly you weren’t the greatest empire in history.


The NHS was created as society wasn't willing to carry on with the arbitrary way health care was provided prior to the second world.


Thats a round about way of saying It was unwilling to provide healthcare so it delegated that responsibility to the government.


No. it is willing to provide it so pays for it through taxation

The society currently unwilling to provide it to all is the US.


The only segment of society that is providing healthcare is the government. A society is much larger than it’s government.

That is not the case in the US, where healthcare is a product of the citizens.



Society can choose to provide services to it's members. The way that is done in a modern democracy is through government.


Most who decided that are dead and gone.


The UK government could privatize the NHS if it wanted.

They won't because it remains overwhelming supported even by most of those on the right in the UK.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick

We will pay them no matter what happens.

May as well get something out of it for everyone aka the NHS.

Helps millions of us survive that would otherwise be dead.

Just ask any recipient of an organ transplant should you require clarification.


I can’t imagine how you survived before the NHS. Just dropping like flies. Millions dying. Certainly you weren’t the greatest empire in history.


The NHS was created as society wasn't willing to carry on with the arbitrary way health care was provided prior to the second world.


Thats a round about way of saying It was unwilling to provide healthcare so it delegated that responsibility to the government.


No. it is willing to provide it so pays for it through taxation

The society currently unwilling to provide it to all is the US.


The only segment of society that is providing healthcare is the government. A society is much larger than it’s government.

That is not the case in the US, where healthcare is a product of the citizens.



Society can choose to provide services to it's members. The way that is done in a modern democracy is through government.


Most who decided that are dead and gone.


The UK government could privatize the NHS if it wanted.

They won't because it remains overwhelming supported even by most of those on the right in the UK.


Too decadent. They have long forgotten what freedom and duty to one another is like.



posted on Jul, 27 2019 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BuckyWunderlick

We will pay them no matter what happens.

May as well get something out of it for everyone aka the NHS.

Helps millions of us survive that would otherwise be dead.

Just ask any recipient of an organ transplant should you require clarification.


I can’t imagine how you survived before the NHS. Just dropping like flies. Millions dying. Certainly you weren’t the greatest empire in history.


The NHS was created as society wasn't willing to carry on with the arbitrary way health care was provided prior to the second world.


Thats a round about way of saying It was unwilling to provide healthcare so it delegated that responsibility to the government.


No. it is willing to provide it so pays for it through taxation

The society currently unwilling to provide it to all is the US.


The only segment of society that is providing healthcare is the government. A society is much larger than it’s government.

That is not the case in the US, where healthcare is a product of the citizens.



Society can choose to provide services to it's members. The way that is done in a modern democracy is through government.


Most who decided that are dead and gone.


The UK government could privatize the NHS if it wanted.

They won't because it remains overwhelming supported even by most of those on the right in the UK.


Too decadent. They have long forgotten what freedom and duty to one another is like.


Ok. Whatever.

I will go enjoy being decadent, I may wear a smoking jacket.




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