AG William Barr Re-Instates Federal Death Penalty

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

England used to hang draw and quarter people and display their body parts all over town. That didnt stop criminals. Roman used to crucify people. Crime will always exist. The punishment of death doesnt work, it's more of a desperate way to just completely remove the problem, and I guess 'make things right'
that's all.

a reply to: strongfp

That didnt stop criminals

It probably deterred a helluva lot of them.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

England used to hang draw and quarter people and display their body parts all over town. That didnt stop criminals. Roman used to crucify people. Crime will always exist. The punishment of death doesnt work, it's more of a desperate way to just completely remove the problem, and I guess 'make things right'
that's all.

Ricidivism rates were damn near zero though, weren't they? Have you seen what they are in the US today? A hint: it's not close to zero.

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Yes, I have a huge problem with it.

I believe it is wrong to kill people, with self-defense as the only exception.

A guy locked in a cell poses no imminent threat. Therefore, killing him at that point I consider cold-blooded murder.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

We're not cooking breakfast.

a reply to: strongfp

I agree 100%, no matter the laws or consiquens, criminals will be criminals!!!

And that my friend is why the 2nd. Amendment is so important!

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Well of course. Hence why I said its to remove the problem completely. But of course theres the moral and ethical viewpoints that go with it... crime and punishment is a tough subject.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: burdman30ott6

We're not cooking breakfast.

As far as I am concerned, we should have a lot fewer breakfasts to worry about. Truth be told, I find the traditional "Jury convicts, judge sentences to hanging, gallows are assembled and hanging occurs within 1 week of verdict and sentencing" model to be the most logical, most fair to the general law abiding population method that mankind has ever applied. I'd eliminate all of the endless appeals, drawn out death row stints, etc if I had my druthers and we'd take this bitch back to the sensible days of immediate consequences for bad decisions.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Well of course. Hence why I said its to remove the problem completely. But of course theres the moral and ethical viewpoints that go with it... crime and punishment is a tough subject.

I am thankfully bound by a less White Knight inspired moral and ethics code than some are. My morality largely comes from a document that states "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth." as well as "If your right hand offendeth thee, cut it off and cast it away from your body and if your right eye offendeth thee, pluck it from thine socket and cast it away." In other words, if there's a serious enough problem, removal from the body (execution) is not only a moral choice, but is often the most wise one.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: BlueAjah

hmm. What is the penalty for treason again? I think we might be needing this penalty soon for a few traitors.

Has anyone been accused of working with Iraqi or Afghani enemies right now?

If not, I think sedition is the crime many people mean to say in this context.

John Kerry violated the Logan Act with Iran.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Yes, I have a huge problem with it.

I believe it is wrong to kill people, with self-defense as the only exception.

A guy locked in a cell poses no imminent threat. Therefore, killing him at that point I consider cold-blooded murder.

You say that murder is only justified in a self defense situation. What about those who are defenseless, disabled, unable to defend themselves such as the old and children. A serial killers victims are only defenseless children? Cage the dog or put it down?

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Again, it is wrong to kill people.

Why is that so hard to understand? Two wrongs do not make a right.

I learned that in preschool.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

So you laud the safeguards in place to protect the innocent and then advocate their removal?

You're not making any sense.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Again, it is wrong to kill people.

Why is that so hard to understand? Two wrongs do not make a right.

I learned that in preschool.

These particular 5 individuals are not people....they are something else.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Morals and ethics aren't bound to white knight syndrome. Some people feel the ethical punishment might be torture of solitary confinement for life.

And of course is rehabilitation on the table?

a reply to: Tekaran

Good.


I wish they'd expand it.

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: BlueAjah

hmm. What is the penalty for treason again? I think we might be needing this penalty soon for a few traitors.

Has anyone been accused of working with Iraqi or Afghani enemies right now?

If not, I think sedition is the crime many people mean to say in this context.

John Kerry violated the Logan Act with Iran.

I would definitely say it deserves looking into, and IMO I think he probably did.

But I don't think what he did was treason.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Again, it is wrong to kill people.

Why is that so hard to understand? Two wrongs do not make a right.

I learned that in preschool.

Let me ask you one question. Will Ted Bundy ever kill anyone ever again?

a reply to: Krakatoa

Did he kill anyone in prison?

No?

Seems to me the goal was accomplished without having to murder him.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: Krakatoa

Did he kill anyone in prison?

No?

Seems to me the goal was accomplished without having to murder him.

He did escape form jail once, then killed more girls in a sorority.
Also, would there be a chance of his appeal succeeding on a technicality?

So, has he killed anyone lately?